Would you support a federal ban on abortion of normally-developing fetuses at 24 weeks gestation?

[Lursa]

It's a compromise between those who think there should be zero restrictions and those who think there should be a ban on almost all abortions. If Roe was fine for the country, then a federal law paralleling Roe should be fine as well.

Why would it be acceptable to compromise on "what you consider the same as a born person?" Would we compromise the same on born people?

At what point is it acceptable to sacrifice that equal value or "humanity" of the unborn in the name of compromise? See? Teese are the tough moral questions you avoid...which is kind of hypocritical when you start an OP and then wont confront the arguments presented.

 

[Josie]

Do you notice all the twists and turns you have to invent in order to justify inserting a law between the woman and her doctor?

Heya, ref! I'm guessing you're against any laws on abortion?

 

[Lursa]

I see a large difference between helping a person at the end of their life die peacefully and killing a human at the beginning of their life for reasons that have nothing to do with their health.

Can you name any significant differences in the unborn at 6, 8, 12, 15 20 weeks? Please explain.

Or anyone else? The OP wont...it's not 'simple.'

 

[JerryW]

I see a large difference between helping a person at the end of their life die peacefully and killing a human at the beginning of their life for reasons that have nothing to do with their health.

Then that's how you make your health care decisions and how you decide what to say to those seeking your advice.

Abortion care is medical care. If one adds a layer that's based on belief, they can but not for others. Well this is how it should be.

It is not up to the states. It is up to the medical care professionals.

 

[Lursa]

Well, like @BirdinHand said earlier - perhaps the mother whose health is deteriorating. Even though her viable baby has a better than not chance to survive, she doesn't want to or have the means to pay NICU medical bills.

Current laws in places like TX are failing at that quite a bit now. Why introduce more ambiguity and risks for women? (And doctors?)

Anyone?

 

[Josie]

Not a “human” life.

Sloth? Giraffe? Rat?

 

[JerryW]

Life at conception isn't a belief, though. It's a fact.

Not exactly. Sperm and egg are alive before conception.

 

[reflechissez]

Can you name any significant differences in the unborn at 6, 8, 12, 15 20 weeks? Please explain.

Or anyone else? The OP wont...it's not 'simple.'

She also won't reply to this:

Why? What is the rationale that such a law is necessary? What actual problems are you seeking to address?

 

[Josie]

Not exactly. Sperm and egg are alive before conception.

Sure. Sperm and egg are living parts of a male and female, respectively. When that living sperm fertilizes that living egg, however, a new human life is created. This is the beginning of that new human's life cycle.

 

[Lursa]

Life at conception isn't a belief, though. It's a fact. Whether you think that human life holds value or not is the belief.

The same could be said for those who said "her body - her choice" but then want legal restrictions
for after viability, right?

The belief is generally which life is valued more.

For instance, I value the unborn, but I value all born people more.

Other people may base their value and moral perspective on the Constitution and women's rights (not a right to abortion, but all our other rights, many of which are violated by the results of laws restricting abortion).

Bueler? Bueler? LOL, anyone is welcome to answer, it's open for all to consider.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I just wish they’d drop the charade. They’re not fooling anyone, they know it, we know it so why put on the act? It just seems like a waste of energy for everybody involved.

I mean, people can change their opinions.

But I agree for most it is something of an act. The thing is you say we know it, and if by we you mean left leaning people on Debate Politics I agree. But genuinely most voters probably did believe them when they say they would never support a federal ban of any kind. They believed the whole states rights motive.

They want to have federal abortion laws of course. I mean if you think abortion is literally murder you aren’t going to be ok with the state next door allowing it. But they also know that’s EXTREMELY unpopular so they have to pretend to be more moderate.

 

[Josie]

She also won't reply to this:

I've already answered it in this thread.

Are you against any laws pertaining to abortion?

 

[Lursa]

The federal ban I'm suggesting would do that. After all, no normally-developing fetuses are aborted after 24 weeks anyway, right? They're all aborted before.

I guess I didnt see this anywhere. If that were the law, would all other elective abortion be legal in all states up to that point then? Whether the states liked it or not, it would have to be accessible and available up to that point.

Somebody ask the OP...seems like a relevant question...unless I missed the answer.

 

[StarvedForChange]

The question is about normally-developing fetuses, not any rare circumstances of abnormalities or disease. Would you support a nationwide compromise - a ban on abortion at 24-weeks gestation?

• 24 weeks. Doctors typically consider the 24-week mark to be the point of potential viability, though at that age, survival is still far from guaranteed. Fetal viability at 24 weeks ranges from 42 to 59 percent, according to ACOG. But some studies have found the chances for survival to run as high as 68 percent.

Fetal Viability: What Week Is the Age of Viability?

www.whattoexpect.com

If we could go back in time and abort Trump at 24 weeks I'd be all for it!

 

[Josie]

If we could go back in time and abort Trump at 24 weeks I'd be all for it!

Forced abortion, eh?

 

[Questerr]

Then why worry if it's law.

I worry when bigots force through laws that are ripe for abuse.

Numerous states have abortion bans that supposedly allow exceptions for medical issues, but then they make it functionally impossible to actually get those exceptions.

Just leave the issue to doctors and medical ethics boards.

 

[Questerr]

Well, like @BirdinHand said earlier - perhaps the mother whose health is deteriorating. Even though her viable baby has a better than not chance to survive, she doesn't want to or have the means to pay NICU medical bills.

How is that not a medical issue? Why should the mother be forced to risk death to protect the life of someone else against her will?

 

[StarvedForChange]

Forced abortion, eh?

More like excising a boisterous boil.

 

[Josie]

How is that not a medical issue? Why should the mother be forced to risk death to protect the life of someone else against her will?

She shouldn't. A viable baby can be removed and put in the NICU.

 

[Jessie C]

NO. The federal government has no business banning abortion period.

 

[Questerr]

She shouldn't. A viable baby can be removed and put in the NICU.

And that would be called an abortion on the charts in the hospital. If the state is going to force her to give early birth in such a situation, then the state should pay all medical fees incurred.

 

[BirdinHand]

Forced abortion, eh?

You advocate for forced pregnancy and birth.

 

[phoenix2020]

She shouldn't. A viable baby can be removed and put in the NICU.

It’s not a baby. It’s a fetus.

 

[brianpatrick]

Why would the baby need to be killed after viability if the health of the mother was in danger? Best to try to save both mom and baby.

Just want to point that out.

There is more than physical health involved. There is psychological health at play as well.

 

[Josie]

And that would be called an abortion on the charts in the hospital.

I don't know about that. It's just inducing labor or doing a C-section. They're not killing the fetus.

If the state is going to force her to give early birth in such a situation, then the state should pay all medical fees incurred.

I'm fine with that if the insurance doesn't cover expenses. I give to different charities that help with those kinds of medical bills too.

What about you?