Would you support a federal ban on abortion of normally-developing fetuses at 24 weeks gestation?

[Josie]

It’s not a baby. It’s a fetus.

Okay. A viable fetus can be removed from the womb and will magically transform into a baby after cutting the umbilical cord.

 

[JerryW]

Sure. Sperm and egg are living parts of a male and female, respectively. When that living sperm fertilizes that living egg, however, a new human life is created. This is the beginning of that new human's life cycle.

You started this instance of defining its life without including relevant distinctions. Well, maybe you think you were noting all sufficient distinctions. But it wasn't enough for everyone. And that's the issue with what happens when limits are legislated in simple terms in situations where it is a health issue.

And your definition completely leaves out the issue of individual.

It is very complicated. And it's actually tricky to define what is typical or normal.

 

[Lursa]

I don't know about that. It's just inducing labor or doing a C-section. They're not killing the fetus.



I'm fine with that if the insurance doesn't cover expenses. I give to different charities that help with those kinds of medical bills too.

What about you?

Why should her insurance pay for it? If the state wants a baby, let it pay for it. And it's upkeep.

 

[Questerr]

I don't know about that. It's just inducing labor or doing a C-section. They're not killing the fetus.



I'm fine with that if the insurance doesn't cover expenses. I give to different charities that help with those kinds of medical bills too.

What about you?

I'm fine with leaving this entirely up to doctors and medical ethics boards. I also support full socialized healthcare so no mother has to worry about paying for NICU care for their child, but I'm betting you oppose that.

 

[Jessie C]

And that would be called an abortion on the charts in the hospital. If the state is going to force her to give early birth in such a situation, then the state should pay all medical fees incurred.

To the bolded: I'll take this one step further!

If the state insists a woman follow through on a pregnancy they don't want, maybe the state should not only assume the medical bills, but maybe the state should foot all the bills for raising that child!

Wanna see the "laws" change? implement THAT!

 

[Lursa]

You started this instance of defining its life without including relevant distinctions. Well, maybe you think you were noting all sufficient distinctions. But it wasn't enough for everyone. And that's the issue with what happens when limits are legislated in simple terms in situations where it is a health issue.

And your definition completely leaves out the issue of individual.

It is very complicated. And it's actually tricky to define what is typical or normal.

You are feeding into her bumper sticker. It's an individual human life, Homo sapiens, from fertilization/implantation. This is a biological fact.

It's also the entire platform...its scientific classification...for her stance on abortion. It's a human life so should not be aborted unless the woman's life is in imminent danger.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

You are feeding into her bumper sticker. It's an individual human life, Homo sapiens, from fertilization/implantation. This is a biological fact.

It's also the entire platform for her stance on abortion. It's a human life so should not be aborted unless the woman's life is in imminent danger.

In other words...admitting that the mother's life is more important than the fetus's.

 

[Questerr]

You are feeding into her bumper sticker. It's an individual human life, Homo sapiens, from fertilization/implantation. This is a biological fact.

It's also the entire platform...its scientific classification...for her stance on abortion. It's a human life so should not be aborted unless the woman's life is in imminent danger.

Except that's bullshit. Because no human's right to life allows them to use the body of another person against that person's will.

 

[phoenix2020]

Okay. A viable fetus can be removed from the womb and will magically transform into a baby after cutting the umbilical cord.

So you support forced birth.

Why are you always pushing your religious beliefs and mythologies on the rest of us Americans?

 

[Josie]

So you support forced birth.

Anyone who supports any legal restrictions on abortion does, don't they?

 

[Questerr]

Anyone who supports any legal restrictions on abortion does, don't they?

Yes, they do.

 

[reflechissez]

I've already answered it in this thread.

Are you against any laws pertaining to abortion?

Where?

 

[Josie]

Yes, they do.

Then the majority of people in the US are for forced birth - even many of those who call themselves pro-choice.

 

[Josie]

Where?

Read the thread, ref. I've discussed the reasons why throughout.

Are you for any restrictions on abortion or will you (ironically) not answer the question for the third time?

 

[Questerr]

Then the majority of people in the US are for forced birth - even many of those who call themselves pro-choice.

And your point is? This is something that should be left up to doctors and medical ethics boards.

 

[Lursa]

In other words...admitting that the mother's life is more important than the fetus's.

I do ocassionally ask...and never get an answer from an anti-abortion supporters...why is the woman's life more important then? I mean, is all of a sudden, that 'innocent unborn life' less important? Why? Doesnt it have its whole life ahead of it?

And the woman has lived a lot of hers. She chose to have sex, right? So she accepted the consequences?

Why save the mother's life then? None of them ever answer.

 

[Lursa]

Read the thread, ref. I've discussed the reasons why throughout.

Are you for any restrictions on abortion or will you (ironically) not answer the question for the third time?

You didnt answer and I clarified it further too.

 

[Josie]

And your point is? This is something that should be left up to doctors and medical ethics boards.

I can't think of one time I've seen someone who is for no restrictions call a pro-choicer who is for some restrictions "forced birth". Have you? Seems a bit hypocritical.

 

[Lursa]

Then the majority of people in the US are for forced birth - even many of those who call themselves pro-choice.

Are the majority of Americans in favor of a law that forbids riding unicorns? Yes? No?

Why should we be in favor of a law for something that doesnt happen? Yeah...another tough one that doesnt fit under your bumper stickers.

 

[tshade]

The question is about normally-developing fetuses, not any rare circumstances of abnormalities or disease. Would you support a nationwide compromise - a ban on abortion at 24-weeks gestation?

• 24 weeks. Doctors typically consider the 24-week mark to be the point of potential viability, though at that age, survival is still far from guaranteed. Fetal viability at 24 weeks ranges from 42 to 59 percent, according to ACOG. But some studies have found the chances for survival to run as high as 68 percent.

Fetal Viability: What Week Is the Age of Viability?

www.whattoexpect.com

yes-----I am anti-abortion. But I don't believe anyone really wants to abort a health fetus......

 

[Questerr]

I can't think of one time I've seen someone who is for no restrictions call a pro-choicer who is for some restrictions "forced birth". Have you? Seems a bit hypocritical.

I don't know of any pro-choice people who support any restrictions for scenarios that actually exist in reality.

 

[Josie]

I don't know of any pro-choice people who support any restrictions for scenarios that actually exist in reality.

We just got done talking about one scenario -- viable, normally-developing baby, but mom's health is deteriorating. Most people (even pro-choicers) would say an abortion shouldn't be legal. The doctors should remove the baby and try to save both of them. Is that "pro-forced birth"?

 

[reflechissez]

Read the thread, ref. I've discussed the reasons why throughout.

Are you for any restrictions on abortion or will you (ironically) not answer the question for the third time?

No, you haven't, Jos.

I've answered the question throughout.

 

[Questerr]

We just got done talking about one scenario -- viable, normally-developing baby, but mom's health is deteriorating. Most people (even pro-choicers) would say an abortion shouldn't be legal. The doctors should remove the baby and try to save both of them. Is that "pro-forced birth"?

I think the determination should be made by medical experts and not by politicians.

 

[Josie]

No, you haven't, Jos.

I've answered the question throughout.

Haha.