Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Aderleth · Feb 6, 2013

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Smeagol said:
Environment and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing in that article supports the notion that sexuality is a conscious choice, nor does it support your contention that an otherwise (or previously) straight adolescent boy would suddenly develop homosexual tendencies simply by being around a known homosexual.

Smeagol · Feb 6, 2013

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Aderleth said:
Nothing in that article supports the notion that sexuality is a conscious choice, nor does it support your contention that an otherwise (or previously) straight adolescent boy would suddenly develop homosexual tendencies simply by being around a known homosexual.

But it does suggest the possibilities of factors other than simply "being born that way" play some role in sexual orientation albeit not necessarily "suddenly" as you've described. Therefore, if factors like home environment could play a role, it only stands to reason other environmental factors could also play a role.

obvious Child · Feb 6, 2013

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Captain America said:
I think Navy Pride is from a generation that simply does not know any better. But I think, in his heart of hearts, he is a good person underneath all the ignorance. We are all products of our environment.

Then therefore Navy Pride is not a good person. He hasn't changed his views since Whistlestopper. That was 2003. It's 2013. The man has some of the worst beliefs ever and for a decade was pointed out why he was wrong. He did not change any of them.

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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CLAX1911 said:
The thing is my lifestyle isn't that much different than yours. I wake in the morning, go to work, go home to my family, talk about things with my boy, go to bed with my lover.

His penis doesn't make my "lifestyle" any different. So I don't know what you mean, aside from maybe a gay man telling a kid that he is gay if the kid asks, perhaps talking to the kid if the kid feels he may be gay.

Your fear that the gay people secretly run around and convert or attempt to convert the straight people is really bizarre. First if a gay guy can convert a straight guy just by being near him, I would say that the straight guy isn't really straight.

I worked for the boy scouts professionally for years, taking at camps, I worked with youth staff, I worked with youth, and never did I really even think about having sex with the youth, really kids don't do it for me, I like men not boys. I like women, not girls.

Gay people are not out of control perverts. Do you have an urge to screw 12 year old girls when you are around them?

I guess you have forgotten about the daisy chain of gays up to 100 people in the eighties prior to AIDS........

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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MaggieD said:
No. I'm saying that a person is "bad," not for his thoughts, but for his actions. If you asked most males over 70, "Do you accept homosexuality?" I think you'd hear the majority of them saying, "Absolutely not." This is a major change in our culture. That you cannot see that makes you intolerant.

I love guys with blue eyes, by the way.

How do you explain the fact that 32 states out of 33 have banned gay marriage?

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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Thorgasm said:
I'm sorry, I don't buy into the circular logic that says that I must tolerate intolerance or else I am intolerant. He has started dozens, if not hundreds of threads over the years about homosexuality. All of those threads were started with the premise that homosexuality is abnormal and unacceptable. He actively campaigns here against homosexuality when it has no effect on him. He has been informed that his position is wrong and he refuses to accept new information. He has hate in his heart. That's what motivates his "thoughts". That does make him a bad person in my book.

I have blue eyes.

Do me one favor my left wing friend please change your political lean to at least moderate becaue you are no Social Conservative........Thanks

MaggieD · Feb 6, 2013

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Navy Pride said:
How do you explain the fact that 32 states out of 33 have banned gay marriage?

Religion? Culture? Tradition? This has nothing to do with your OP, Navy.

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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MaggieD said:
If I decided not to send my child to such a camp, it would be to protect him from normal, natural childhood curiosity...just like I would protect him in my basement with a friend of his. I wouldn't worry about the adults. I would worry about the professed gay 12- and 13-year-olds.

So you would not send your son to a camp where there were openly gay boys?

MaggieD · Feb 6, 2013

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Navy Pride said:
So you would not send your son to a camp where there were openly gay boys?

I have to say I probably would not. My job as a parent isn't to be politically correct. It's to protect my son for as much as I can. Honestly? I wouldn't be worried about the counselors. I'd be worried about peer pressure from so-called gay boys who wanted my son to experiment. I'd want to protect him at camp -- just like I'd want to protect him from his friends in the basement of my home.

Frankly? I think any parent who would answer otherwise is missing something.

Pagan · Feb 6, 2013

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Navy Pride said:
How do you explain the fact that 32 states out of 33 have banned gay marriage?

Government intrusion into personal life

What is Conservative about government regulating/dictating the most personal aspect of a person's life?

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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AreteCourage said:
Southern Democrats from that time are today's Republicans. Do not think the Republican party is any way the same as it was back then.

I don't think either party is the same......Hell I was a Liberal in the sixties myself.....Dems like to take credit for the Civil Rights act but most the ones from the south voted against it.

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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Pagan said:
Government intrusion into personal life

What is Conservative about government regulating/dictating the most personal aspect of a person's life?

Not sure not sending my son to a camp where gays serve openly covers that aspect...You do know who is pushing this against a private organization right?

zstep18 · Feb 6, 2013

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Navy Pride said:
I don't think either party is the same......Hell I was a Liberal in the sixties myself.....Dems like to take credit for the Civil Rights act but most the ones from the south voted against it.

And then those Democrats jumped ship.

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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MaggieD said:
I have to say I probably would not. My job as a parent isn't to be politically correct. It's to protect my son for as much as I can. Honestly? I wouldn't be worried about the counselors. I'd be worried about peer pressure from so-called gay boys who wanted my son to experiment. I'd want to protect him at camp -- just like I'd want to protect him from his friends in the basement of my home.

Frankly? I think any parent who would answer otherwise is missing something.

Thank you Maggie and I totally agree its not the Gay scoutmasters (although I rather they be straight) its the gay scouts who might be older and the peer pressure they might receive.

Redress · Feb 6, 2013

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Pagan said:
Government intrusion into personal life

What is Conservative about government regulating/dictating the most personal aspect of a person's life?

Realize he also advocated for the government nationalizing the oil industry. But everyone else is a lefty.

Pagan · Feb 6, 2013

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Navy Pride said:
Not sure not sending my son to a camp where gays serve openly covers that aspect...You do know who is pushing this against a private organization right?

Just responding to your post below

Navy Pride said:
How do you explain the fact that 32 states out of 33 have banned gay marriage?

zstep18 · Feb 6, 2013

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MaggieD said:
I have to say I probably would not. My job as a parent isn't to be politically correct. It's to protect my son for as much as I can. Honestly? I wouldn't be worried about the counselors. I'd be worried about peer pressure from so-called gay boys who wanted my son to experiment. I'd want to protect him at camp -- just like I'd want to protect him from his friends in the basement of my home.

Frankly? I think any parent who would answer otherwise is missing something.

If you had a daughter, would you allow her to go to a camp where there also boys at the camp? Would you not allow her because you would be afraid that she would experiment with things?

Would you be worried with your child experimenting with drugs? What about all the peer pressure they would face with drugs?

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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Redress said:
Realize he also advocated for the government nationalizing the oil industry. But everyone else is a lefty.

OK if I said that I take it back...Get some new talking points.....thanks

Captain America · Feb 6, 2013

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obvious Child said:
Then therefore Navy Pride is not a good person. He hasn't changed his views since Whistlestopper. That was 2003. It's 2013. The man has some of the worst beliefs ever and for a decade was pointed out why he was wrong. He did not change any of them.

You are preaching to the choir. I was once where you are now.

They say the definition of insanity is to repeat the same actions and expect different results. I gave up on my rightwing friend a long time ago. I have found it to be more mind settling to just accept the ol' coot for who he is and leave it at that. I now look upon him as I would my aged uncle. He has had a very long life and went through some rough times. And, obviously, he is a victim of his times, as we all are. The best thing we can do is keep their pillow fluffed and their blanket across their legs. Try that approach and tell me it is not more comforting to your mind. It worked for me.

The ones that are the hardest to love are usually the one's that need the lovin' the most.

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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zstep18 said:
And then those Democrats jumped ship.

I am not a Republican but they passed the act with a majority voting for it not the dems.

MaggieD · Feb 6, 2013

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zstep18 said:
If you had a daughter, would you allow her to go to a camp where there also boys at the camp? Would you not allow her because you would be afraid that she would experiment with things?

Would you be worried with your child experimenting with drugs? What about all the peer pressure they would face with drugs?

I wouldn't worry about drugs. I wouldn't worry about regular sexual experimentation. If you don't see a difference between heterosexual and homosexual experimentation, we'll just have to disagree. Homosexuality is an anomaly. Heterosexuality is not.

zstep18 · Feb 6, 2013

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MaggieD said:
I wouldn't worry about drugs. I wouldn't worry about regular sexual experimentation. If you don't see a difference between heterosexual and homosexual experimentation, we'll just have to disagree. Homosexuality is an anomaly. Heterosexuality is not.

Well, yeah I guess when you see homosexuality as an "anomaly" that sort of stops the discussion dead in its tracks. I wouldn't want my son to be do anything that was bad, either.

It's just, I don't see homosexuality as "bad".

MaggieD · Feb 6, 2013

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zstep18 said:
Well, yeah I guess when you see homosexuality as an "anomaly" that sort of stop the discussion dead in its tracks. I wouldn't want my son to be do anything that was bad, either.

It's just, I don't see homosexuality as "bad".

An anomoly isn't necessarily bad. I don't see homosexuality as bad either. But. If my son is homosexual, he will find out on his own -- not because some kids talked him into experimenting while he's away at camp. Definition of anomoly I'm using is:

Deviation or departure from the normal or common order or form.

Navy Pride · Feb 6, 2013

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MaggieD said:
I have to say I probably would not. My job as a parent isn't to be politically correct. It's to protect my son for as much as I can. Honestly? I wouldn't be worried about the counselors. I'd be worried about peer pressure from so-called gay boys who wanted my son to experiment. I'd want to protect him at camp -- just like I'd want to protect him from his friends in the basement of my home.

Frankly? I think any parent who would answer otherwise is missing something.

Maggie it takes a lot of courage to say what you did....Thank you........Now if you could change your vote.

MaggieD · Feb 6, 2013

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Navy Pride said:
Maggie it takes a lot of courage to say what you did....Thank you........Now if you could change your vote.

:rofl -- I did change my mind after I thought about it. Not because of homosexual adults, but because of the children. And, you're welcome. *hugs*

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