Would a Trump impeachment make him a martyr in the eyes of his devoted supporters?

[Fiddytree]

Trump sure looks like one right now, he has no resistance from Congress right now. Sorry but the office is turning into a dictatorship right before our eyes.

No, it's not.

It's experiencing significant strain, but we've faced similar if not worse issues in the past.

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[Fiddytree]

Too much kool aid drinking for you. Obama was a dictator for bypassing a duly elected Republican Congress by signing EO's to circumvent the will of the people. Even the Supreme Court voted 9-0 that Obama was overstepping his authority as president. In other words, Obama was trying to be a dictator.

Responding to hyperbole with more hyperbole is a bad idea.

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[post]

Too much kool aid drinking for you. Obama was a dictator for bypassing a duly elected Republican Congress by signing EO's to circumvent the will of the people. Even the Supreme Court voted 9-0 that Obama was overstepping his authority as president. In other words, Obama was trying to be a dictator.

Really? "Slightly Conservative," yet you believe that is reasonable opinion. What does "conservative" or "right wing extremist" look like, compared to "slightly"?

This is a neutral evaluation/description. If you disagree, edit it to your well supported conclusions.:

Link to neutrality debate related to the following article on Obama's presidency.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=neutrality&prefix=Talk%3APresidency+of+Barack+Obama%2F&fulltext=Search+archives&fulltext=Search&searchToken=exuzz1hlkcdt4pgoeoljnm1jt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Barack_Obama#Approval_ratings_and_other_opinions
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Obama's election also provoked a reaction to his race, birthplace, and religion. As president, Obama faced numerous taunts and racial innuendos, though most overt racist comments were limited to a small fringe.[454] Donald Trump theorized that Obama had been born in Kenya; an April 2011 CNN poll taken shortly before Obama released his long-form birth certificate found that 40% of Republicans believed that Obama had been born in Kenya.[443] Many of these "birthers" argued that because Obama was (allegedly) not a citizen, he was not eligible to serve as president under the natural-born-citizen requirements of the Constitution. Despite Obama's release of his long-form birth certificate, which affirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii, a 2015 CNN poll found that 20% of Americans believed that Obama was born outside of the country.[455] Many also claimed that Obama practiced Islam, and a 2015 CNN poll found that 29% of Americans and 43% of Republicans believed Obama to be a Muslim.[455] Even prior to his election as president, Obama had clarified that he was a long-time member of a church affiliated with the United Church of Christ, a mainline Protestant denomination.[456]

In a January 2010 survey by the Siena Research Institute at Siena College in Loudonville, New York—one year into the Obama presidency—238 U.S. history and political science professors ranked Obama 15th of 43 U.S. presidents.[457] In a September 2010 survey by the United States Presidency Centre of the Institute for the Study of the Americas at the University of London School of Advanced Study—one year and eight months into the Obama presidency—47 unnamed respondents who were UK academic specialists on American history and politics ranked 40 of 42 U.S. presidents from 1789 to 2009, not including Obama; if Obama had been included he would have ranked 8th, behind Harry S. Truman but ahead of Ronald Reagan and all other post-World War II U.S. presidents.[458][459][460] In a June 2012 survey by Newsweek magazine—three years and five months into the Obama presidency—ten selected American historians and biographers ranked Obama 10th of 20 U.S. presidents since 1900.[461][462] In an April 2013 survey by History News Network (HNN) website in Seattle—four years and three months into the Obama presidency—203 scholars from 69 top U.S. colleges and universities gave Obama a B- grade on an A–F scale.[463] A February 2015 Brookings Institution survey of members of the American Political Science Association put Obama in 18th place out of the 43 presidents.[464] Additionally, a 2011 Gallup poll found that 5% of Americans saw Obama as the country's greatest president.[465]

As Obama left office, historians expressed various opinions about his effectiveness as president, with many noting that subsequent events would determine his ultimate legacy.[466][467] There was universal agreement that Obama would long be remembered as the first African-American president.[466][467][468] Many noted that Obama presided over an economic recovery and passed major domestic legislation, but failed to bridge a partisan divide and left office with his party in a weakened state.[466]

The real (reasonable) world exists seemingly in stark contrast to the views of you "moderates"!

 

[jet57]

Would a Trump impeachment make him a martyr in the eyes of his devoted supporters?

*IF* he were to ever be impeached, of course. It's by no means a done deal. But I think we've seen enough of his supporters to be able to reasonably estimate what their reactions would be.

Who cares?

 

[apdst]

Probably--but when it comes down to it, who cares what they think? Follow the rule of law.

As long as the rule of law is followed, there won't be a problem. An illegal impeachment, however, will result in an undesired effect for the anti-Trumpers.

 

[upsideguy]

Would a Trump impeachment make him a martyr in the eyes of his devoted supporters?

*IF* he were to ever be impeached, of course. It's by no means a done deal. But I think we've seen enough of his supporters to be able to reasonably estimate what their reactions would be.

Not quite that simple. Its hard to measure the core group of supporters, but it appears to be about 30%, with another 10% that think he is doing a decent job. The 10% easily peels away with serious allegations AND a small percentage of core supporters will likely also..... but 25% of the population will think he is being railroaded no matter what the evidence.

As a good cult leader, Trump has been cleaver in his anti-media campaign, because he has his 25% not trusting them. That is cult management 101: get your followers to think the truth are lies and the liars have the truth.

(note: those numbers are just an educated guess based upon polling fluctuations)

 

[trixare4kids]

Would a Trump impeachment make him a martyr in the eyes of his devoted supporters?

*IF* he were to ever be impeached, of course. It's by no means a done deal. But I think we've seen enough of his supporters to be able to reasonably estimate what their reactions would be.

Wouldn't the reaction of his supporters depend on why he was impeached?

 

[Bullseye]

Wouldn't the reaction of his supporters depend on why he was impeached?

Not to some Trumpophobes. Reasons and logic are as foreign to them as Serbo-Croatian is. No rhyme, no reason, just "Trump!:twisted:

 

[apdst]

Not to some Trumpophobes. Reasons and logic are as foreign to them as Serbo-Croatian is. No rhyme, no reason, just "Trump!:twisted:

Would you oppose an illegal impeachment?

 

[Jetboogieman]

As long as the rule of law is followed, there won't be a problem. An illegal impeachment, however, will result in an undesired effect for the anti-Trumpers.

Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one per say, so it's not possible for it to be "illegal".

Your continuing threatening and hinting at violence is amusing, you'll do **** all if Trump is impeached, which I doubt he will be.

Internet tough guy fail again.

 

[apdst]

Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one per say, so it's not possible for it to be "illegal".

Your continuing threatening and hinting at violence is amusing, you'll do **** all if Trump is impeached, which I doubt he will be.

Internet tough guy fail again.

Would it have been legal to impeach Obama because he took so long to produce his birth certificate?

 

[Jetboogieman]

Would it have been legal to impeach Obama because he took so long to produce his birth certificate?

It would have been most amusing to have seen republican congress critters try. :lamo

Anyway, continue to bluster that you'll rise up in arms if Trump is impeached, Internet tough guys are a funny bunch.

 

[apdst]

It would have been most amusing to have seen republican congress critters try. :lamo

Anyway, continue to bluster that you'll rise up in arms if Trump is impeached, Internet tough guys are a funny bunch.

So, it wouldn't have been legal. Thank you for admitting that there is a such thing as an illegal impeachment.

 

[Jetboogieman]

So, it wouldn't have been legal. Thank you for admitting that there is a such thing as an illegal impeachment.

Didn't make any statement on the legality of the birth certificate impeachment.

As I said it's a political process, not a legal one.

So no it wouldn't have been illegal, just ****ing stupid as all hell.

You, as usual apdst.

Fail.

 

[Cardinal]

Special counsel? He was already a martyr because of Alec Baldwin.

Come to think of it, he was already a martyr be cause the election was so rigged before he won it.

 

[apdst]

Didn't make any statement on the legality of the birth certificate impeachment.

As I said it's a political process, not a legal one.

So no it wouldn't have been illegal, just ****ing stupid as all hell.

You, as usual apdst.

Fail.

The Constitution state specifically the reasons for impeaching the president:

Article 1, Section 4

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

There's nothing about it being a "political process".

 

[Jetboogieman]

The Constitution state specifically the reasons for impeaching the president:

There's nothing about it being a "political process".

Is the broad and vague section on impeachment not enough of a clue for you?

 

[apdst]

Is the broad and vague section on impeachment not enough of a clue for you?

Section 4 specifically states that government officers can only be impeached for crimes committed. There's no way to interpret it otherwise.

 

[Rexedgar]

No, he would be impeached for doing wrong, but only because he didn't tow the line planned for him. Tell me, for whatever it is he's going to be impeached for, is there any other elected official that could be subjected to this level of scrutiny, and come out clean? Bush 1 or 2? Obviously Clinton went down, despite some of the good he did our nation. Would Obama have held up to a Mueller multi year investigation? To opposition research paid out to MI6 agents, lol?

From day one, the status quo decided that Trump would be a failure, and has utilized massive resources to ensure that was reality. From day one. The moment the tears dried up on Hillary supporters faces.

From day one and before Trump came in like March did this year on the eastern seaboard!

 

[Bullseye]

Would you oppose an illegal impeachment?

Of course

 

[longview]

Would a Trump impeachment make him a martyr in the eyes of his devoted supporters?

*IF* he were to ever be impeached, of course. It's by no means a done deal. But I think we've seen enough of his supporters to be able to reasonably estimate what their reactions would be.

Did it do much to Bill Clinton's supporters?

 

[Vadinho]

Too much kool aid drinking for you. Obama was a dictator for bypassing a duly elected Republican Congress by signing EO's to circumvent the will of the people. Even the Supreme Court voted 9-0 that Obama was overstepping his authority as president. In other words, Obama was trying to be a dictator.

You really don't understand what is going on do you? I am talking about the office, you are talking politics and partisanship. EOs are not the problem, they are far down the list of offenses this POTUS has committed right before our eyes with no accountability or threat of censure, impeachment or control by our other institutions. I am talking structural changes curtailing the office regardless of who is the POTUS. You are talking politics, grow up.

 

[Vadinho]

No, it's not.

It's experiencing significant strain, but we've faced similar if not worse issues in the past.

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The only instance I can think of resulted in resignation. Andrew Jackson did defy the courts in regards to the Cherokee. Care to mention any other example using Tapatalk?

 

[BitterPill]

Of course

I would even oppose a legal impeachment!

What say you, Bullseye?

 

[tecoyah]

It is highly likely that an impeachment will only come about after incriminating evidence compels Congress into action, and with this Congress it will need to be so overwhelming that even they cannot ignore it. I think we do not give the TrumpHumpers enough synaptic credit or patriotic emotional intelligence. Even the most brainwashed partisan will probably put country over hero worship....at least I hope so because indicators show otherwise thus far.
I must believe the Upcoming Mueller Nuke will jolt reaction finally as the alternative is too depressing and probably means my country and its Constitution are dying.