One's self respect has absolutely nothing to do with being the victim of a violent crime.
Your implication that a person who is lacking self respect (in YOUR eyes) is somehow responsible for someone enacting a violent crime upon them is insulting, at best.
So you're saying since the bar looked a lot like a kitchen she thought she was in her place.....well I guess if she were also barefoot I could understand how you think she was merely confused....but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.
Obviously, if you leave your house you increase your chance of bad things happening to you. I mean, if someone gets hit by a car, they must have been near where cars were, right? If they hadn't been near the street... they wouldn't have been hit. So they must take responsibility for being hit by a car.
This is bull****, and you know it.
Rapists come in all shapes and sizes. They are not all 'trashy' guys who hang out in low-life bars just waiting to snatch up some drunk girl who is flashing her tits and hitting on everyone.
But by all means, continue to show examples of when it's ok to rape someone.
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I seem to remember a time when the mere fact a woman said "no" (and meant "NO") defined the boundaries - whatever the point in time in any sexual liasion. The man going beyond without permission was then commiting rape.
This latest survey seems to take backward steps for women and rape victims when it is widely acknowledged that prosections for rape in the UK have a poor record.
no, sometimes bad things happen regardless of any precautions you might take.(IROP)
Whenever something bad happens to you there are always ways to avoid it, sure.
It's easy to look at a situation after it's happened - or when it didn't happen to you - and think "If you had just said ___. Or if they had just ___." Even things like "If that happened to me I would have ___."
But things are never that simple when you are IN the situation.
The rapist is to blame, every time. Rape is, by definition, sex without consent. The person who chooses to force sex without consent is at fault. That is a nonissue.
Are there things women can do to reduce risk? Of course. But that does not mean that the person who forces sex without permission is still 100 % to blame. The reasons some one forces sex without permission are irrelevant.
the assumption that the way a woman dresses can cause a man to rape.Which assumption is that? My own assumptions are more or less the exact opposite of what you've stated here, so...
it not her fault at all, not just per se.Reminds me of an ole gal I used to know. She went out with a guy that exhibited all the signs of a sexual preditor; was even warned by people who knew him that he had been known to be forceful; then was all shocked and horrified when he raped her.
No, it's not her fault, per say, but she didn't employ enough common sense to keep herself out of that position.
In date rape cases it is normally a factual dispute as to whether consent was given or withdrawn and if withdrawn, when.
do you not get that rape is about power, not sex?Well, according to the Rivrrat, rape just happens. It's like fishing: it doesn't matter if you put bait on the hook or not, where you cast or what time of day it is. Fish will either jump out of the water and into your boat or they wont, and there's nothing you can do about it either way.
While 56%, or an estimated 6.8 million women experienced only one rape, 39% or an estimated 4.7 million, were raped more than once; and five percent were unsure as to how many times they were raped.
now wait a minute......5% were unsure of how many times they were raped? blackouts, or what. jeez.Just to inject an alternative perspective here...
There was a rape case in my community where a very drunken woman left a bar with a stranger, went to his car, and was raped.
Do I blame her for being raped? No. The guy was a rapist, and is 100% culpable for his actions.
However, she's 100% responsible that it was her. Women who exercise poor judgement make it more likely that they will become a victim.
One thing that is really interesting about rape is that some women are victimized more often than others. Rape is not distributed evenly through the population.
Rape and Sexual Assault
Rapists are rapists, but women have varying risks of becoming a victim based upon their own actions. Leaving a bar, intoxicated, with a stranger...is definitely going to increase your odds of being a victim. Some high risk behaviors expose women to a considerable risk of rape.
Let's try this comparison on for size:
I'm in Harlem. I'm holding a sign that says, "I hate niggers". I get my ass kicked, or even get killed. It's not ok to kill me, but I have to take responsibility for putting myself in a position for something bad happening to me. Sometimes women who get raped, are guilty of the same thing.
now wait a minute......5% were unsure of how many times they were raped? balckouts, or what. jeez.
i don't disagree at all. but i don't feel any less sympathy for a woman who was raped because she was stupid.That's what I'm saying. A realistic discussion of rape has to include behaviors by women that make it more likely that they will be victimized.
Do I blame them for being victims? Not really, but we as adult women do have to own the fact that we can greatly increase our odds of being raped by being stupid.
In that case, you are responsible for being a dumbass(note this refers to the hypothetical, I am not calling apdst a dumbass outside of that). Those who kicked your ass are 100 % responsible for assault. Your being a dumbass in that hypothetical does not change who is responsible for the assault.
That's what I'm saying. A realistic discussion of rape has to include behaviors by women that make it more likely that they will be victimized.
Do I blame them for being victims? Not really, but we as adult women do have to own the fact that we can greatly increase our odds of being raped by being stupid.
being a dumbass isn't illegal.And, those responsible for the assault aren't responsible for me being a dumbass, either.
i don't disagree at all. but i don't feel any less sympathy for a woman who was raped because she was stupid..
absent knowing all the facts of a particular incident, my sympathy is the same.I have to be honest, I do.
do you not get that rape is about power, not sex?
And, those responsible for the assault aren't responsible for me being a dumbass, either.
Do you get that lethal force is authorized to prevent a rape?
How many people here oppose concealed carry?
You you oppose concealed carry, you therefore necessarily support rape.
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