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Women Must Become Aware of Misogyny in All Its Forms

Linuxcooldude said:
The only thing you come up with women is the 1800,s or longer. Or abortion present day. And that itself is far from accurate as each state has its own requirements. What else where women are being held back..oh woe is me?
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I never wrote about women in the 1800's. Not in this thread, Given that I studied history, of course I have written about women throughout history in other DP threads. Show me a quotation. And why should I disregard history. Come to think of it, you could learn from it!

And each state should not have its own requirements. (Of course.) We only have States Rights because Trump packed The Supreme Court with atavistic paternalistic men beholden to dark money managed by The Heritage Society.
 
NewfieMom said:
Abortion is the issue.

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Then the discussion goes off the topic of abortion onto stupid digressions like how many men versus how many women are assaulted in prison. Abortion bans are killing and sterilizing women and making us second class citizens. Forget everything else, you men. Shut up about everything until you give us back reproductive freedom.
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Forgive me if I am missing a connection here, but how are "abortion bans killing and sterilizing women?" Much less making women "second class citizens?"

If I recall correctly, abortions were allowed even prior to Roe v. Wade if the woman was dealing with a factually "life-threatening" birth. As far as I know, that is the case even now in states with the strictest abortion laws.

But I am at a loss as to "sterilizing women," and the claim this makes women "second class citizens." :unsure:

Moreover, I find the idea among some women that the life of a baby is worth less than anyone else's life odd. The idea that it is out of sight (inside a woman) makes it a non-entity that can be disposed of at will also makes one wonder how any other life has greater value simply because the person has left the womb.

To me it is a very strange viewpoint, especially since you, and I, and everyone else able to read and respond (or chose not to) exists to make such choices by the successful conclusion of this process of growth and birth.

Outside of factual rape, it is always a woman's choice not only to engage in intercourse, but to ensure the maximum efforts at prophylaxis, including options either alone or in layers of protections (multiple options all done together). Then there are even "morning after" options, as well as seeing a gynecologist if one misses a period or two.

People laugh at the "just say no" by countering with "and what about rape?" My answer is women should be taught, and society should reinforce the value, that there is no shame in reporting a factual rape. To go to the nearest hospital and have the methods of immediate care provided. Don't forget to TELL someone and let the legal system do its job.

But this idea that abortion is the best solution in some later stages based on some idea of "shame?" That is the issue women should be opposed to.
 
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noonereal said:
And they have them however men and women are not the same.
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Wrong. No one can harm you the way a woman can be harmed because you don't have a uterus via which to do the harm.
 
Mr Person said:
Some devil's advocate is going to say something about the insult "dick"/"dickhead"/prick/****. Then there's cocksocker et. al.

And then we can ponder "asshole" vs "bitch". In many instances, the male will be called and "asshole" for what the female would be called a "bitch" for. Are the terms gendered? Should they not be? Is one or more not OK?

And then there's foreign meanings. In the UK and Australia, the c-word tends to mean "stupid goddamned idiot-asshole, just useless and probably worthless to boot". Whose meaning is to rule? Does context and intent matter?



I suppose the real question is whether an originally sex-based term can outgrow its origins, or should be allowed to. And if not, give me some new ****ing words.
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Asshole is gender neutral.

Bitch is unnecessary and should never be used toward a woman or to describe a woman.

And where I grew up (Newfoundland, Canada), **** is as used in Australia. I do not feel the need to restructure my language any further than I have.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Forgive me if I am missing a connection here, but how are "abortion bans killing and sterilizing women?"
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Sealion fails to read the news or the numerous topics on this board.

Details at 11.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Forgive me if I am missing a connection here, but how are "abortion bans killing and sterilizing women?"
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Things have changed. New laws have struck fear into the medical profession and into women who do not dare to seek medical help and die because of it. You obviously have not followed the news stories about the many women denied D&C's after miscarriages; failed legal abortions in other states; and the need to terminate a pregnancy that had resulted in sepsis because the mother was now carrying a dead child. Watch the mothers who managed to survive and the families of the ones who did not on television describe their ordeals.
 
NewfieMom said:
Extreme in defense of a woman's right to choose. Extreme in defense of actual equal rights.
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Yet you are gung ho on denying females the right to choose ANYTHING by not allowing them to live in the first place.
 
Gardener said:
Yet you are gung ho on denying females the right to choose ANYTHING by not allowing them to live in the first place.
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That's your religion. Don't force it on others. It's un-American.
 
NewfieMom said:
I object to the use of the word "****" (and also the word "twat", used less frequently but used nonetheless) to refer to a woman. I learned to resent this back in the dark ages when there was still a women's liberation movement and women were actually attempting to become conscious of the ways in which men had treated them for centuries, ways that had never been examined before. I am disappointed constantly to have my point of view dismissed automatically by younger women. In my opinion, some of the women who are young today never endured what my generation did and have assumed that the hard-won rights they now have were always theirs. I wonder if it was complacency and an assumption that women would always move forward, gaining more rights, that allowed the right-wing to sneak up on modern women and shock them with the reversal of Roe v, Wade. Some of us lived before Roe v. Wade and knew that the right to abortion was very, very hard won. We watched men with more suspicion than our daughters.

Some of us, the older women, were not given some of the freedoms which modern women today take for granted. We knew that we were not separate but equal, but separate and subordinate. We were forced to wear skirts and dresses to school, never being able to relax the way boys did in their pants and being cold on winter days in northern climes going to school and church with bare legs. The length of our skirts and dresses was measured, too, lest we be immodest. When I was a teenager a girl would be asked to kneel on the floor to see if her skirt reached the floor. The men who took away our right to abortion and want to monitor girls' periods in some states now were always monitoring us.

My mind was opened a lot in college when I was exposed to new views on the dynamics between men and women, but I am always learning. The more I observe, the more I learn. Some people don't want to think about why certain words are used, why men can maneuver in certain ways they can to the disadvantage of women. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Women are being controlled by men now more than 50 years ago. Men have control over our bodies and whether we live or die in abortion ban states. The least women should do is to examine the ways in which men have and still do continue to keep a knee on their necks.

Being able to convince women that they can be called "****s" is a great stunt for men to pull off. It was an insult and is an insult. It is always meant as an insult. It should be called out like the word "nigger" whenever it is used.

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Women are not the only people who should be alert to misogyny (or to misandrist behaviours either)
 
Gardener said:
Yes, you are a misandrist.
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No. I'm not. I just don't want male feet on my throat or the throats of other women. That's called being self-protective. But there are worse things than being a misandrist in a patriarchal world where women are struggling for the right to control their own bodies.
 
Folks, any way you look at it, having women being the sole arbiter of who gets to live and who doesn't is the furthest thing from equal rights.
 
NewfieMom said:
No. I'm not. I just don't want male feet on my throat or the throats of other women. That's called being self-protective. But there are worse things than being a misandrist in a patriarchal world where women are struggling for the right to control their own bodies.
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OMG

Let me know when this becomes a real world issue.

Thanks
 
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