Women are Angry, Temporarily Powerful—and Very, Very Dangerous

The Humiliation of Aziz Ansari-

A young woman, who is given the identity-protecting name “Grace” in the story, was excited to encounter Ansari at a party in Los Angeles, and even though he initially brushed her off, when he saw that they both had the same kind of old-fashioned camera, he paid attention to her and got her number.

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Within minutes of returning, she was sitting on the kitchen counter and he was—apparently consensually—performing oral sex on her but he then went on, per her account, to pressure her for sex in a variety of ways that were not honorable.
Eventually, overcome by her emotions at the way the night was going, she told him, “You guys are all the ****ing same” and left crying.

When she saw Ansari at the party, she was excited by his celebrity—“Grace said it was surreal to be meeting up with Ansari, a successful comedian and major celebrity”—which the magazines would have told us was “shallow;” he brushed her off, but she kept after him. Was Grace frozen, terrified, stuck? No. She tells us that she wanted something from Ansari and she was trying to figure out how to get it. She wanted affection, kindness, attention. Perhaps she hoped to maybe even become the famous man’s girlfriend. He wasn’t interested.
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/550541/

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I've been worried that our current national climate of punishing men for sexual harassment would eventual spiral out of control, resulting in women abusing our willingness to listen... and it's happened.

Ansari is a married man, so infidelity is his only wrongdoing here, which I'm sure most of us would agree isn't something the world needs to know about.

We need to stand up and give women like this the collective boot when they try to compare this to sexual assault, which Grace is doing. Otherwise, we risk damaging men's lives who don't deserve it.

To be blunt, if you're a woman who throws herself at a man, then let's him eat you out at his apartment, then denies him any reciprocal exchange... that makes you a lousy date, not a sexual assault victim!

truthatallcost said:

I've been worried that our current national climate of punishing men for sexual harassment would eventual spiral out of control, resulting in women abusing our willingness to listen... and it's happened.

Ansari is a married man, so infidelity is his only wrongdoing here, which I'm sure most of us would agree isn't something the world needs to know about.

We need to stand up and give women like this the collective boot when they try to compare this to sexual assault, which Grace is doing. Otherwise, we risk damaging men's lives who don't deserve it.

To be blunt, if you're a woman who throws herself at a man, then let's him eat you out at his apartment, then denies him any reciprocal exchange... that makes you a lousy date, not a sexual assault victim!

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Well, its going to suck for Ansari for a good while now it seems. I had just heard about this after getting in to work and now I am just wondering how many more issues like this are going to pop up.

This with the penchant for crap spiraling out of control, like with mattress girl and now this whole #Metoo stupidity. I don't really know what to say.

Oborosen said:

Well, its going to suck for Ansari for a good while now it seems. I had just heard about this after getting in to work and now I am just wondering how many more issues like this are going to pop up.

This with the penchant for crap spiraling out of control, like with mattress girl and now this whole #Metoo stupidity. I don't really know what to say.

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It's turning into a movement that has nothing to do with social justice or equality. Women involved in the movement need to be the first to weed out the opportunists and nitwits, like the woman in the OP.

truthatallcost said:

It's turning into a movement that has nothing to do with social justice or equality. Women involved in the movement need to be the first to weed out the opportunists and nitwits, like the woman in the OP.

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Since the account is "anonymous", could it entirely be a work of fiction?

truthatallcost said:

It's turning into a movement that has nothing to do with social justice or equality. Women involved in the movement need to be the first to weed out the opportunists and nitwits, like the woman in the OP.

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No a lot of people are willing to chew through that much crap.

truthatallcost said:

It's turning into a movement that has nothing to do with social justice or equality. Women involved in the movement need to be the first to weed out the opportunists and nitwits, like the woman in the OP.

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I think it’s unfair to term this as the movement turning in to something else. The questionable aspects of some people jumping on a bandwagon doesn’t mean the motives and intentions of all the others involved are suddenly less valid. There certainly is a responsibility for those people to weed out the opportunists and nitwits though to be fair, this is only possible because we all failed as a society, and various sub-groups within it, to weed out the abusers and rapists in the first place.

reinoe said:

Since the account is "anonymous", could it entirely be a work of fiction?

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No, Ansari admitted he went on a date with her.

Btw, he's not married, that was an error. So the whole story is just blah blah.

HonestJoe said:

I think it’s unfair to term this as the movement turning in to something else. The questionable aspects of some people jumping on a bandwagon doesn’t mean the motives and intentions of all the others involved are suddenly less valid.

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They will be seen as less valid if women are allowed to ruin men because they didn't get what they want out of a relationship. The old 'boy that cried wolf' phenomenon.

In fact, many posters on DP dismiss Sweden's rape statistics out of hand now, because Sweden fails to differentiate between milder forms of unwanted touching, and rape. The same could happen the US, UK, anywhere.

There certainly is a responsibility for those people to weed out the opportunists and nitwits though to be fair, this is only possible because we all failed as a society, and various sub-groups within it, to weed out the abusers and rapists in the first place.

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We didn't all fail at all. This is very much a scandal of the rich and famous, and it's those people who covered up abuse while preaching feminism in public.

truthatallcost said:

It's turning into a movement that has nothing to do with social justice or equality. Women involved in the movement need to be the first to weed out the opportunists and nitwits, like the woman in the OP.

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So it looks like, despite all the heat being thrown at Trump and the GOP, most of the rapist and abusers are liberals and other hollywood media types. How unsurprising. That they're already focusing on using this movement to destroy the careers of innocent minorities is also unsurprising. It very much reminds me of To Kill A Mockingbird...

In which a radical liberal woman tries to seduce an innocent Black man (who has only one arm) and then makes an obviously false rape accusation. The Republican Atticus Finch tries valiantly to defend him against these obvious lies, but the bloodthirsty town does not care and the obviously innocent Black man winds up convicted anyway.

It's a real life lesson on how most liberals care nothing for justice and will do and say anything to oppress minorities. Remember when Hillary Clinton said "ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN" on why she wouldn't concede the race to Obama? She was implying that he would be assassinated.

truthatallcost said:

They will be seen as less valid if women are allowed to ruin men because they didn't get what they want out of a relationship. The old 'boy that cried wolf' phenomenon.

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I agree entirely and that needs to be addressed. It doesn’t mean the “movement” has changed or that the underlying motives and purposes are suddenly invalid. The boy who cried wolf doesn’t mean the system of having people looking out for wolves is fundamentally flawed or unnecessary.

truthatallcost said:

In fact, many posters on DP dismiss Sweden's rape statistics out of hand now, because Sweden fails to differentiate between milder forms of unwanted touching, and rape. The same could happen the US, UK, anywhere.

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A slight tangent but they do differentiate, that just doesn’t come across in headline statistics. It would be possible to establish more valid direct comparisons but that would involve more time and effort than the people (ab)using the statistics would be willing to put in. None of the national crime statistics are designed or intended to be used for international comparison.

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We didn't all fail at all. This is very much a scandal of the rich and famous, and it's those people who covered up abuse while preaching feminism in public.

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The scandal is very much of the media and entertainment industries because those are the ones reported about. The abuse, assault and rape continues to happen everywhere but nobody is going to publish an article about an accusation against a random banker, shop assistant or computer programmer.

reinoe said:

So it looks like, despite all the heat being thrown at Trump and the GOP, most of the rapist and abusers are liberals and other hollywood media types. How unsurprising. That they're already focusing on using this movement to destroy the careers of innocent minorities is also unsurprising. It very much reminds me of To Kill A Mockingbird...

In which a radical liberal woman tries to seduce an innocent Black man (who has only one arm) and then makes an obviously false rape accusation. The Republican Atticus Finch tries valiantly to defend him against these obvious lies, but the bloodthirsty town does not care and the obviously innocent Black man winds up convicted anyway.

It's a real life lesson on how most liberals care nothing for justice and will do and say anything to oppress minorities. Remember when Hillary Clinton said "ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN" on why she wouldn't concede the race to Obama? She was implying that he would be assassinated.

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Sexual assault (be it real or fake) is not a "liberal" or "conservative" thing. Why not address the actual topic instead of going after the opposing aisle with partisan drivel?

Kal'Stang said:

Sexual assault (be it real or fake) is not a "liberal" or "conservative" thing. Why not address the actual topic instead of going after the opposing aisle with partisan drivel?

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This post address the fake sexual assaualt scandal which is coming almost exclusively from the left.

HonestJoe said:

I think it’s unfair to term this as the movement turning in to something else. The questionable aspects of some people jumping on a bandwagon doesn’t mean the motives and intentions of all the others involved are suddenly less valid. There certainly is a responsibility for those people to weed out the opportunists and nitwits though to be fair, this is only possible because we all failed as a society, and various sub-groups within it, to weed out the abusers and rapists in the first place.

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I dont think so the "leader" of the #metoo moment Ashley Judd has praised James Franco's not refuting the allegations against him. We are at a place where being innocent and fighting the allegations derives more scorn that if you had actually done the whatever the accusations were. This is not a good place to be.

Hollywood is a ****hole.

truthatallcost said:

I've been worried that our current national climate of punishing men for sexual harassment would eventual spiral out of control, resulting in women abusing our willingness to listen... and it's happened.

Ansari is a married man, so infidelity is his only wrongdoing here, which I'm sure most of us would agree isn't something the world needs to know about.

We need to stand up and give women like this the collective boot when they try to compare this to sexual assault, which Grace is doing. Otherwise, we risk damaging men's lives who don't deserve it.

To be blunt, if you're a woman who throws herself at a man, then let's him eat you out at his apartment, then denies him any reciprocal exchange... that makes you a lousy date, not a sexual assault victim!

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Read "The Crucible" to figure out where this is going.

I wonder how many of the women who are cheering "Grace" on for bravely standing up and reporting her "assault" to the media (not to law enforcement you'll notice) are the same women who complain that sexual assault claims aren't taken seriously enough by the public. And importantly, how many of those women see no connection between these two things.

molten_dragon said:

I wonder how many of the women who are cheering "Grace" on for bravely standing up and reporting her "assault" to the media (not to law enforcement you'll notice) are the same women who complain that sexual assault claims aren't taken seriously enough by the public. And importantly, how many of those women see no connection between these two things.

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One can't anonymously report a crime where the only evidence is what they personally allege had occurred. The state simply has no evidence to support charges that have any chance of holding up in court. This #metoo system allows a "conviction" in the press with absolutely no need for an arrest or trial. As a bonus, they get to harass those that dare interact with the accused monster since "they may not have known then but they surely know now" to no longer treat that monster as a human. Once outed, by some "Grace" like accusers, those monsters are now to be treated as registered (by the press and/or #metoo club) sex offenders for life.

Not to worry. Just the OP and his cohorts seeing evil everywhere except in the White House and on Capital Hill.

Any group that isn't Trumper is dangerous.

oh noes.....it's "THE WAR ON MEN"!!!!


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Dragonfly said:

oh noes.....it's "THE WAR ON MEN"!!!!


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Not far from the truth. I think a FemiNazi group has more influence and control of perception in the MSM than would be considered balanced. Catherine Deneuve stated that clumsy passes by etiher sex are not abuse, just clumsy passes. I agree.
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Dragonfly said:

oh noes.....it's "THE WAR ON MEN"!!!!


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This woman is scum. Her entire story depends on aziz getting subtle "signals" from her. She never said no, she took her clothes off, she gave him a blow job, when she did speak up and say no more, he called her a cab. Oh the horror. The fact that this story is being reported like he did something wrong is what's wrong with the feminist movement today. her story and people who side with her as this being anywhere near abuse or assault cheapen the victims of real sexual assault and rape.

truthatallcost said:

I've been worried that our current national climate of punishing men for sexual harassment would eventual spiral out of control, resulting in women abusing our willingness to listen... and it's happened.

Ansari is a married man, so infidelity is his only wrongdoing here, which I'm sure most of us would agree isn't something the world needs to know about.

We need to stand up and give women like this the collective boot when they try to compare this to sexual assault, which Grace is doing. Otherwise, we risk damaging men's lives who don't deserve it.

To be blunt, if you're a woman who throws herself at a man, then let's him eat you out at his apartment, then denies him any reciprocal exchange... that makes you a lousy date, not a sexual assault victim!

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People like this definitely do damage to the movement.

truthatallcost said:

It's turning into a movement that has nothing to do with social justice or equality. Women involved in the movement need to be the first to weed out the opportunists and nitwits, like the woman in the OP.

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The story is sad and concerning on more than one level.

If a young woman hunts down a man (she's knows he's married) and pursues him, ending up having sex with him, and then acts like she was somehow hurt by what she did -- she's a failure as a member of the female sex. She went into that party knowing full well that she was pursuing a married man. Her claim that she thought she could be his girlfriend is ludicrous. Right off the bat we know she's a homewrecker.

Secondly, as more and more women make these accusations, they demean all women. For the past two centuries, women in this country have fought to be on an equal footing with men, but now these snowflake women are undoing all of their hard work. No wonder some cultures, such as Islam, feel as though women must be hidden beneath fabric and cared for by men -- it's these kinds of women who make all women look weak and in need of male supervision.

It's going to take some outspoken strong women to counter this latest rash of wimpy women who shouldn't be allowed in the company of men.

Fascinating how they're destroying females everywhere.

truthatallcost said:

I've been worried that our current national climate of punishing men for sexual harassment would eventual spiral out of control, resulting in women abusing our willingness to listen... and it's happened.

Ansari is a married man, so infidelity is his only wrongdoing here, which I'm sure most of us would agree isn't something the world needs to know about.

We need to stand up and give women like this the collective boot when they try to compare this to sexual assault, which Grace is doing. Otherwise, we risk damaging men's lives who don't deserve it.

To be blunt, if you're a woman who throws herself at a man, then let's him eat you out at his apartment, then denies him any reciprocal exchange... that makes you a lousy date, not a sexual assault victim!

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Do I agree that trying people in the Court of Twitter is problematic and eventually is going to go terribly wrong? Well, in some instances it already has, although it was well before the #MeToo movement. In other cases, like with Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey, it's difficult if not impossible to imagine how there would have been any justice had it not started within Twitter. In fact, it seems like in many industries serial sexual assault and misconduct would have remained unchecked almost entirely.

But does anyone here actually think that Aziz Ansari is going to be destroyed by this? I'm pretty skeptical, to be honest. In fact this whole, "the gray area between consensual and non-consensual" idea has been going on in the Tumblr-verse for at least a year now. I am skeptical that this is going to gain the same traction as Weinstein and Spacey, or even Louis CK. It's noteworthy that mainstream feminists at mainstream press are telling people to pump the breaks, I'm really not sure this will gain the notoriety or infamy as the other cases, and for obvious reasons. And that's good. This is an area where the aggregate public opinion matters, and while it's not perfect, I trust it more than I trust closed institutions that have a financial incentive to not listen.

*shrugs* We'll see. But I still don't see a reason to write off the #MeToo movement. Even if members of it brought down innocent people, I think that can be undone quickly and you're already seeing backlash from other feminists over this case. But bringing down serial sexual assaulters and rapists in high positions of power is important work, so I'm not comfortable writing this off as angry women reacting emotionally; in this instance, it's my opinion that people are misusing the movement and are acting inappropriately. I don't think anyone who has really read this stuff actually thinks this is the whole movement.

Having read the original account (linked to in the article) it strikes me that "Grace" figured her non-verbal communication was sufficient to express her discomfort. That's fine...except for the two times she performed oral sex on him and the half a dozen or so times she failed to leave even after she knew things were heading south. See, if you simply assume that you have made yourself clear you're leaving yourself open to the possibility that you aren't being clear.

Then there's this little hint, if you already know that the guy wants to boink you and you perform oral on him twice you are exhibiting behavior that he will take as "go ahead". If you want him to read your mind you might consider trying to read his mind too. The world isn't all about you there, snowflake.