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Woman shoots man in gas station.

Wow, that's deceiving. What do you mean by responsible?
Responsible, as in sending you to jail. I'm being very clear, which is the opposite of deceiving, which is what you were doing when you said:
The SYG law does allow an unarmed victim who does not have to initiate a confrontation and is not on someone's property to be pursued and if that person tries to defend themselves because they feel threatened by being pursued, but in turn, scares the pursuer they can be killed by deadly force and the person who started the pursuit can walk away unless evidence proves otherwise.
 
Responsible, as in sending you to jail. I'm being very clear, which is the opposite of deceiving, which is what you were doing when you said:

Then if you weren't trying to deceive your uninformed. Also, show me in my paragraph what went against SYG law?
 
My point is the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty. The jury had doubt and that got him the acquittal.
From the jury instructions (which come from the statutes any way...): "In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real."
 
From the jury instructions (which come from the statutes any way...): "In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real."

Naturally that is what he said and the jury could not prove otherwise. Easy win.
 
I did read it and no he did not knife him in the incident.
That's correct. He stabbed him in an earlier incident. In this incident, he simply threatened to kill him and then put his hand in his pocket. So the stabbing victim kills the guy who stabbed him and gets 16 years in prison. As I said. There's your moral hazard.
 
Naturally that is what he said and the jury could not prove otherwise. Easy win.
No. The prosecution could not prove otherwise and it should have been an easy win because the evidence supported Zimmerman's story. The case should never have gone to trial. You don't prosecute the victim.
 
That's correct. He stabbed him in an earlier incident. In this incident, he simply threatened to kill him and then put his hand in his pocket. So the stabbing victim kills the guy who stabbed him and gets 16 years in prison. As I said. There's your moral hazard.

Not having an iota piece of information about the former case, in which the main was put in jail for, the other guy may have been doing the same obnoxious behavior he was doing with the steal pipe. I'm not at all saying the other block head had a right to stab him but he was put in jail for it. What is truly ironic is if SYG laws existed in NY both these block heads could have gotten off scott free.
 
Not having an iota piece of information about the former case, in which the main was put in jail for, the other guy may have been doing the same obnoxious behavior he was doing with the steal pipe. I'm not at all saying the other block head had a right to stab him but he was put in jail for it. What is truly ironic is if SYG laws existed in NY both these block heads could have gotten off scott free.
I posted the info, so you don't need to bloviate about it if you haven't read it. The guy who got stabbed should have gotten off scott free.
 
No. The prosecution could not prove otherwise and it should have been an easy win because the evidence supported Zimmerman's story. The case should never have gone to trial. You don't prosecute the victim.

The law clearly states that this shouldn't have made it to court. I agree Zim should have just washed the blood from his hands and not have been bothered with a trial. I mean it was just a waste of life or so some seem to think. *shrug* What a major inconvenience. Hopefully the next killing goes off without a hitch to avoid such a fuss.
 
Woman allegedly kills armed man at gas station on Houston's south side | abc13.com
This came across the news last night, the video is clear that the man
struck her after she was pointing the rifle.
I am thinking self defense, but not sure why she got close to him
before he hit her.
Feedback?

I just looked at the video and she fired the gun at or by his feet, why shouldn't he have feared for his life and hit her? We have no idea what they were saying to each other, why she even took out the rifle to begin with? Anyway, I would charge her in a heartbeat ... but she could get off ... we learned from the Zimmerman case that even if you instigate the confrontation, you can still claim self defense if the person comes after you even if you started it or even if the other person came after you because he or she was in fear of her or his life ...
 
The law clearly states that this shouldn't have made it to court. I agree Zim should have just washed the blood from his hands and not have been bothered with a trial. I mean it was just a waste of life or so some seem to think. *shrug* What a major inconvenience. Hopefully the next killing goes off without a hitch to avoid such a fuss.
Someone else in the story had blood on their hands too. Whitewash it out of your mind if that makes you feel better.
 
I posted the info, so you don't need to bloviate about it if you haven't read it. The guy who got stabbed should have gotten off scott free.


From the story: "Believing he was going to be stabbed again, defendent struck the victim on the head with the metal pipe killing him."

Neither should have gotten off scott free.
 
From the story: "Believing he was going to be stabbed again, defendent struck the victim on the head with the metal pipe killing him."

Neither should have gotten off scott free.
So not only does NY law punish the victim, you believe that's the right thing to do. Noted.
 
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