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Woman Gets Raped Then Sentenced To Beating

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Islamic culture is full of this type of dysfunction. You are talking about a set of cultures that believe strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up innocents is a sure way to heaven. You are talking about a culture who's leaders use children as human shields rather than standing a fighting on their own.
 


I think there is a question as to whether the rape actually happened and is just a political ploy....
 
Navy Pride said:
Your right but when it comes to women in Islam nothing is out of bounds I guess......
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It's not just how they treat women. It's their whole mentality...the way they think of their children, the way leaders think of their subjects, and the way the clerics themselves think of the congregations. It is a dysfunctional society and the volatility of their culture has caused massive global repercussions.
 
I love how all the people making excuses for Islamic violence avoid this thread like the plague.

Why aren't more women angry about this?
 
This aint islamic culture, its Saudi culture. If it had happened in several other islamic nations this result would not have happened for the woman. Stop generalising.

As for the issue.. Saudi culture went from the 1500s to the 21st century over 15 years in the 1970s and 1980s, so no wonder thier laws and traditions have not followed in "upgrading". But that dont excuse such things what so ever, just explains them. Remember its only a bit over a 150 years ago we in Europe and the US burned women for being witches. Its only 50 years or so ago, it was taboo for women to smoke or wear pants in most western societies.
 
PeteEU said:
This aint islamic culture, its Saudi culture. If it had happened in several other islamic nations this result would not have happened for the woman. Stop generalising.
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:bs Islam has a long history of its abuse and treating women like 2nd class people.






SA is in the 21 century? That’s a joke.. How many people were beat for dancing?


Now that something of a lie and you know it pete.
The Salem Witchcraft Trials here in the US were in 1692

Famous American Trials Salem Witchcraft Trials

The Salem Witchcraft Trials of 1692

But I can see just how degrading it was for women to wear long pants or smoke?.. Whoa talk about lack of human rights. Oooh No WAIT…those weren’t laws now were they slick?. NO...........:lamo


Care to show me where a women was punished for smoking or wearing pants?….God this is sooo stupid…
 
FreeThinker said:
I love how all the people making excuses for Islamic violence avoid this thread like the plague.

Why aren't more women angry about this?
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How very true. I dont understand poeple...:shrug:
 
Cherokee... why do you think there was a need for a woman's movement in the 70's here in NA?

Woman are a second class citizen in many cultures. I'd even go as far as to say most.
 
Middleground said:
Cherokee... why do you think there was a need for a woman's movement in the 70's here in NA?

Woman are a second class citizen in many cultures. I'd even go as far as to say most.
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Women's Rights Movement in the U.S.
Timeline of Key Events in the American Women's Rights Movement
Women's Rights Movement in the U.S.: Timeline

Can you show me where we (US) treat women anything like they do in the Middle East?
 
cherokee said:
Women's Rights Movement in the U.S.
Timeline of Key Events in the American Women's Rights Movement
Women's Rights Movement in the U.S.: Timeline

Can you show me where we (US) treat women anything like they do in the Middle East?
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Cherokee, my fellow Devil Dog, don't you understand?? Women not being allowed to wear pants is equal to women getting beat because they were with another man ( who happened to be raping her ), or that it takes the word of two women to refute the word of one man. Sometimes the way people are able to rationalize away what happens in the ME, in regards to civil rights, astounds me.


Nobody is going to deny that women have had to struggle to gain equality, and there are somethings that still can be done, but I bet there aren't many women in western civilizations that aren't going to be jumping ship, and moving to the Middle East any time soon.
 
Women's status as second-class citizens is codified by sharia.
Those who try to claim otherwise are either ignorant or disingenuous.
 



For too many people, political discourse takes the form of sticking their finger in the air to check the direction of the wind and then parroting whatever b.s. is being offered by those with whom they identify. For these people, when dogma is in conflict with values, the dogma wins out every time. It wins out because they really don't base their opinions on values in the first place -- they base it upon conformity -- and so when apologia is what their conformity demands, then apologia is what they offer.
 
PeteEU said:
This aint islamic culture, its Saudi culture. If it had happened in several other islamic nations this result would not have happened for the woman. Stop generalising.
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Who's generalizing?
Its happened in Afghanistan and Iran and Allah knows where else.
 
cherokee said:
Women's Rights Movement in the U.S.
Timeline of Key Events in the American Women's Rights Movement
Women's Rights Movement in the U.S.: Timeline

Can you show me where we (US) treat women anything like they do in the Middle East?
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Cherokee, no doubt things are better here. I re-read my post, and I don't see where I made that statement. Are things here in NA ideal? No. Are things better for women? You bet. I thank my lucky stars that I was born in Canada. The issues that I face here are nothing compared to what happens to women in many parts of the world. For that, I am grateful.

Changing the topic a little bit, what do you think about what's happening to your female soldiers in Iraq? Seems many are more fearful of their own, rathern than terrorists. Interesting quote from a female soldier:

"Many female soldiers say they are sexually assaulted by their male comrades and can't trust the military to protect them. "The knife wasn't for the Iraqis," says one woman. "It was for the guys on my own side."

Sad, eh?
 
This is an example of middle eastern culture and theocracy not islam as a whole. Indonesia is very muslim, and yet they don't do things like this. I despise such behavior for its cruelty, but I don't just scapegoat the most obvious target. This is precisely why I dislike theocracy so much.
 


Yup. I couldn't agree with you more.

If all Muslims thought that all Christians are like David Koresh, they'd be just as guilty at generalizing.
 
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PeteEU said:
This aint islamic culture, its Saudi culture. If it had happened in several other islamic nations this result would not have happened for the woman. Stop generalising.
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Um...Muslim women are subjegated, subjected to legal beatings, and social abuse in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bosnia, Iran, parts of India, and throughout Africa. The mistreatment of women crosses the cultures, but today's Islam is every bit as bad as Christianity's dark past. You're letting political correctness blind you again. He generalized, because it is a general issue.......








Iran
Woman being prepared for stoning to death (IranPressNews, Dec 21, 2004)
Execution of unmarried teenage girls accused of adultery (BBC, Jul 27, 2006)
Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Khomeini's Religious Teachings on Marriage, Divorce and Relationships (Parvin Darabi, USA-based Dr. Homa Darabi Foundation website, Jun 10, 2006: "A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not comitted a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."
Middle-East-Info.org - Discrimination Against Women and Child Abuse in Arab states and Iran


Saudi Arabia...
Amnesty International is gravely concerned at reports that 14 girls have lost their lives and dozens of others were injured following a fire at their school in Mecca on 11 March 2002 after the religious police (Mutawa'een) prevented them from escaping from the fire because they were not wearing headscarves and their male relatives were not there to receive them. The religious police are also reported to have prevented rescuers from entering the school because they were males and therefore not permitted to mix with females." - Mar 15, 2002
Middle-East-Info.org - Discrimination Against Women and Child Abuse in Arab states and Iran

Somalia...

Genital mutilation.
http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/somalia/hosken.pdf

Jordan...
Human Rights Watch today condemned the failure of the Jordanian Lower House to end impunity for men who murder female family members in the name of preserving the "honor" of the family. "For too long, men in Jordan have been getting away with murder," said Regan Ralph, executive director of the Women's Rights Division at Human Rights Watch. "This vote is a slap in the face of Jordanian women who have been organizing to stop the killings." Parliamentarians justified their defense of honor killings as protection of Jordan's traditional and moral values against western influences. ... Human Rights Watch further called on the Jordanian parliament to provide protection for women threatened by their family members on the basis of "honor," and to abolish other laws that discriminate against women, including the rape law, citizenship law, passport law, and social security law."
Jordanian Parliament Supports Impunity For Honor Killings (Human Rights Watch, 27-1-2000)
 

There is no doubt there is huge misstreatment of women in the 3rd world, but the comments about this Saudi case generalized the saudi traditions (because that is what this is, nothing to do with islam) as something that is used all over the muslim world. It is not. If it had happened to a woman in Turkey, the result would not have been this. Same goes for Malaysia, or Syria and quite a few other muslim nations. Hell not even sure if it would have happened in Iran. The Saudies are wierd on such issues even by islamic standards.

Is there misstreatment of women in the muslim world? Hell yea, but as you said its not unique to the muslim world. It has more to do with traditions, lack of freedoms and education than with what religion you happen to practice.

So yes the comments were generalisations and were wrong and had nothing to do with political correctness. Your hatred towards muslims and anyone non american has clouded your judgement once again.
 
PeteEU said:
There is no doubt there is huge misstreatment of women in the 3rd world, but the comments about this Saudi case generalized the saudi traditions (because that is what this is, nothing to do with islam)
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So, your argument was that this ill treatment has much more to do with man's evil rather than Islam as a religion. This would be more clearer to truth than what I thought you implied. You implied very much that Saudi Arabian mistreatment was exclusive within the Muslim world.

However, it isn't easy to excuse the religion itself. Man's prescriptions of the treatment of women in the Christian world has seen them enslaved, subjugated, and even murdered. The same is true for Islam. But the differences in the religious prescriptions do reflect on the core of each religion. The Qu'ran and the Bible state many things about the treatment of women (some out of context). But what is not undeniable was the treatment of women from each prophet. We can also reflect on the women mentioned in the Bible versus the Qu'ran and how they are portrayed.

This bit of difference may be some of why we have seen the eventual acceptance that women are men's equals in the Western world 2,000 years later and kept down in the Eastern world 14 centuries later.

And before you accuse me of anything, why don't you sit back and think about it.

PeteEU said:
Your hatred towards muslims and anyone non american has clouded your judgement once again.
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Why don't you prove this hatred. It is not my problem that you lack the ability to constructively analyze a situation for fear of being less than politically correct. You are welcome to grow up at any time.
 
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I think the biggest difference is many (or all?) Muslim countries do not separate religion from state. Until they do, things will not change.
 
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