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[bub]

That's curious, but my sources say the contrary:

Summary: The White House still avoids the label, but by any reasonable historical standard, the Iraqi civil war has begun. The record of past such wars suggests that Washington cannot stop this one -- and that Iraqis will be able to reach a power-sharing deal only after much more fighting, if then. The United States can help bring about a settlement eventually by balancing Iraqi factions from afar, but there is little it can do to avert bloodshed now.

Foreign Affairs - Iraq's Civil War - James D. Fearon

 

[Navy Pride]

Liberals love to say its a civil war in Iraq....The truth is though it is not....When you have both Sunnis and Shia in and elected government at the same time working together to stop the violence it can't be called a Civil War.

For example in our Civil War the South left the union and fought the North..That is a civil war........

Iraq has 25,000,000 people and the violence is caused by only a few thousand so no matter how much you liberals want to call it a civil war its not...

 

[bub]

When I try to show to Cherokee that the extremists are only a small percentage of the Muslims, he says it's BS and says they are much more. But when you try to show that it's not a civil war, you minimize the number!

I do like Cherokee: give me a link. Prove it.

As for if it's a civil war or not, the guy saying it is really a civil war is a teacher from Stanford. I bet you are not, and I give you less credit because you don't have the moral authority he has.

James D. Fearon is Geballe Professor in the School of Humanities and Sciences and Professor of Political Science at Stanford University.

 

[MSgt]

Before we all get on our high horses we should note that saudi arabias current regime would not be so powerful where it not for western imperialism.

Well, specifically, America for maintaining their long expired government. But like I always say, Muslims are to blame for what Muslims did to their civilization. Their social prescriptions are self inflicted. And thus, so are their failures and the byproduct.

We can easily say this, because we have four centuries of stagnation and the Middle East continues to be a region without great leadership. Nations conduct business with other nations for all reasons throughout the world. In the Middle East, that business deal will always be with corrupt, greedy, or religious oppresion.

 

[MSgt]

Ahahah :rofl Last time I checked there was a civil war and thousands of US soldiers unable to control the situation

History is full of legitimate "civil wars" to draw examples from if you need to see what one looks like. Today's Iraq has a functioning government with few extremists on each side invoking terror upon the other's sect. This is not "civil war."

And what's going on in Iraq is impossible to "control." Muslims have to control themselves. This is like saying that police officers can't "control" their civilizations because crime persists.

 

[WI Crippler]

When I try to show to Cherokee that the extremists are only a small percentage of the Muslims, he says it's BS and says they are much more. But when you try to show that it's not a civil war, you minimize the number!

I do like Cherokee: give me a link. Prove it.

As for if it's a civil war or not, the guy saying it is really a civil war is a teacher from Stanford. I bet you are not, and I give you less credit because you don't have the moral authority he has.

James D. Fearon is Geballe Professor in the School of Humanities and Sciences and Professor of Political Science at Stanford University.

Why would college professors have a higher degree of moral authority than others??

 

[Red_Dave]

Well, specifically, America for maintaining their long expired government. But like I always say, Muslims are to blame for what Muslims did to their civilization. Their social prescriptions are self inflicted. And thus, so are their failures and the byproduct.

We can easily say this, because we have four centuries of stagnation and the Middle East continues to be a region without great leadership. Nations conduct business with other nations for all reasons throughout the world. In the Middle East, that business deal will always be with corrupt, greedy, or religious oppresion.

Alongside france and the UK. I think before you go blaming the autocracys of the middle east on muslims you should note that Iran would still be a secular democracy where it not for western intervention. How are ordinary muslims responsibile for the totalitarian regimes that WE put into place and are currently arming to the teeth ?

If autocracy is such an issue for you then why are you not concerned about the fact your government is funding it. This isnt about doing buissness with the saudi regime its about actively proping it up.

The reason the fundamentalism you endlessly attack is so prevelent in the middle east is that the fundamentalists are the ones with the guns. Thats why the west should be encouraging a situation where the free flow of ideas can counter this. Instead they are doing the opossite.

It certainly wasnt my intention to turn this into an america bashing thread, hence why I aimed my criticism at the western world as a whole. I just feel that if people have grievances with the saudi government then taking these up with its western allies would be a more constructive approach then armchair dissent.

 

[SgtRock]

the problem is the middle east - not islam.

The Problem is Islam and the evil pedophile prophet Mohammad.

Thats right I just said it. I insulted Islam. "Behead those that Insult Islam" Bring it on, Im locked and loaded and waiting ~ Sgt Rock :rock

 

[MSgt]

Alongside france and the UK. I think before you go blaming the autocracys of the middle east on muslims you should note that Iran would still be a secular democracy where it not for western intervention.

You mean like what they have now? Did we "enthrone" Ahmenadejad? Like I said, the Middle East hasn't been a bastion for stellar leadership for quite some time and it doesn't matter who or how they achieve their status. From the latest Pharoahs of Egypt to Saddam Hussein, to Bin Ladden, to Khomeini, to Ahmenadejad, to the Shah, to Bin Ladden, to countless perverted religious leaders, Muslims are responsible for themselves. They are no different from you and me. And excusing them of their own responsibility just to satisfy a need to be needlessly politically correct only continues the blindess in both civilizations.

Ask yourself this.....Instead of America and the West, why don't these "martyrs" attack their brutal regimes that have prescribed their failures. The truth is that even they know that after four centuries of experience and history, they don't expect much out of their leadership.

How are ordinary muslims responsibile for the totalitarian regimes that WE put into place and are currently arming to the teeth?

Were it not for the current "House of Saud," who would be the alternate "House of Saud?" You have an entire region of leadership throughout the last four centuries to choose from. The vast majority have not been influenced by anyone in the West. What great leader has been denied his power?

If autocracy is such an issue for you then why are you not concerned about the fact your government is funding it. This isnt about doing buissness with the saudi regime its about actively proping it up.

Concerned? Concerned that America "supports" the House of Saud, which has held the some of the most brutal regimes in recent Arab history and funded Islamic fundamentalism which gives birth to the very enemy we are fighting?

Why am I not concerned? Because whining about something I can't change seems adolescent.

Our business with Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with support for its actions upon its people. It has everything to do with uninterupted oil supply. While your complaining about life, thank your government next time you get into a car.

It certainly wasnt my intention to turn this into an america bashing thread, hence why I aimed my criticism at the western world as a whole. I just feel that if people have grievances with the saudi government then taking these up with its western allies would be a more constructive approach then armchair dissent.

Oh sure it was. You remark on how the West is to blame (for more than it should be blamed for.) I casually mention that it is America, specifically, that has maintained this Saudi government. And you pull out the picket signs and kleenex. Life isn't a College campus.

 

[cherokee]

When I try to show to Cherokee that the extremists are only a small percentage of the Muslims, he says it's BS and says they are much more. But when you try to show that it's not a civil war, you minimize the number!

And how do you know how many “extremists” are operating inside Iraq?
You have an inside source that tells you the number and how many of them are Muslims?
Maybe my beliefs are higher because I believe if you support (by any means) their actions you’re no better then they are so in doing so you become one of them.
Maybe because I don’t see Muslims around the world protesting the killing of Iraqi civilians like they protested over the stupid cartoons or what the Pope said.

I do like Cherokee: give me a link. Prove it.

Sorry but when you target religious figures, mosques and Islamic pilgrims then it becomes a war of religion thus a Holy War.

Two bomb attacks in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, have killed at least 40 people, police said.
At least 30 people died in the Karrada district when a car bomb exploded near a truck carrying Shia pilgrims. In a separate incident, a suicide bomber blew himself up on a minibus in eastern Baghdad, killing 10 people.
The latest violence comes a day after Baghdad hosted a conference on security, attended by world powers including the US, Syria and Iran.
In Karrada, a car bomber drove into a truck that was bringing about 70 men and boys home from the holy city of Karbala, south of Baghdad.
Hundreds of thousands of pilgrims had gone to Karbala to mark the Arbaeen ceremony, one of the holiest events in the Shia calendar. BBC NEWS | Middle East | Twin bombings hit Iraqi capital

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Two suicide bombers turned a procession of Shiite pilgrims into a blood-drenched stampede Tuesday, killing scores with a first blast and then claiming more lives among fleeing crowds. At least 106 were killed amid a wave of deadly strikes against Shiites heading for a solemn religious ritual. ritual.Bombers massacre Iraq Shiite pilgrims - Yahoo! News

As for if it's a civil war or not, the guy saying it is really a civil war is a teacher from Stanford. I bet you are not, and I give you less credit because you don't have the moral authority he has.
James D. Fearon is Geballe Professor in the School of Humanities and Sciences and Professor of Political Science at Stanford University.

So what if he is a Professor? Big deal..It doesn’t mean he is the “Knower of all things”
I had a Professor who believed 100% in alien abductions. When I asked him to show me solid evidence to support his claim he couldn’t.

 

[FreeThinker]

As for if it's a civil war or not, the guy saying it is really a civil war is a teacher from Stanford. I bet you are not, and I give you less credit because you don't have the moral authority he has.

What moral authority does a man that preaches to 19 year old college students have over anyone else?