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[Jredbaron96]

The cards existed when I went through basic and ait in fort jackson in 09. I never got one, most did not, for the most part you had to actively seek one. In ait the head sergeant had a field day when one was pulled out during class. He grabbed the stres card from the soldier and put it in a vise and slowly cut it with a hack saw while yelling this is what I ****ing think about your stress levels.

Stress cards were a joke, so much I almost believe at one point they were given out to the ones seeking them so the drill sergeants could zero in on the losers and double down on their efforts to break them down and make them soldiers.

But then again I thought basic training was easy as hell, just do what the drill sergeants tell you to do and do not stress it out too much. I found it no matter what it was pt and yelling, someone late you get yelled at and more pushups, every single person on time and squared away, that is too suspicious more yelling and more pushups, the entire job was to stress the recruits out to mentally break them of civilian life whether they cooperated or not.

So they weren't actually issued, didn't actually do anything, and instead just made someone a target?

Yeah, I figured the whole thing was bullshit.

 

[mrjurrs]

My suspicion is that people who don't shove their sexuality into people's faces have better work performance and better work relationships.
Do note that this is a completely neutral and uncontroversial statement.

If that's too much for gays, it is then they themselves who are choosing to take work or career limiting actions in the workplace.

So you're good with people having to hide their true self to maintain their employment? I'm not. No response to my question...Got any examples of heterosexuals having to hide their sexuality to keep their jobs?

What other communities are you okay with discriminating against? Or is it limited to just LGBTQ+?

 

[beerftw]

So they weren't actually issued, didn't actually do anything, and instead just made someone a target?

Yeah, I figured the whole thing was bullshit.

They in all truthfulness probably had a legit purpose, just no one took them serious.

For the most part nearly everyone I knew with real stress in basic training and ait was not from the training it was from family issues, and no stress card fixed that anyways, such issues went through the chain of command and the chaplain. Some even had to take enough emergency leave while in training they had to restart from the beginning when comin back as you can not leave for 3-4 weeks of basic or ait and just come back like nothing happened, rather you have to start over again.

 

[braindrain]

The cards existed in 2012. And were used routinely at Fort Jackson. That is fact.

I would be willing to bet that you have no actual proof of that.

Been hearing that rumor since the day I joined in 2006
Every single time it ends up being bs.

 

[rickc]

Did the military really expell all those racist skin heads?

 

[braindrain]

They in all truthfulness probably had a legit purpose, just no one took them serious.

For the most part nearly everyone I knew with real stress in basic training and ait was not from the training it was from family issues, and no stress card fixed that anyways, such issues went through the chain of command and the chaplain. Some even had to take enough emergency leave while in training they had to restart from the beginning when comin back as you can not leave for 3-4 weeks of basic or ait and just come back like nothing happened, rather you have to start over again.

Yeah the people who struggle and can’t make it through basic training are definitely not cut out for Army life. There is nothing there that is overly difficult and if being away from your family for a few months makes you so stressed out that you can’t cope it’s best you get out right then and there.

 

[beerftw]

So they weren't actually issued, didn't actually do anything, and instead just made someone a target?

Yeah, I figured the whole thing was bullshit.

Just googled it, stress cards were not issued except in the early 90's so very likely it was like I mentioned not an issued item but rather an item handed out to those who seeked them as a prank.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_stress_card

It seems it was a short lived experiment followed by stress cards from the navy and air force that were not get out of pt and training cards but rather cards simply showing soldiers where to get help under extreme stress like the chaplain and other resources.

After googling the stress cards I saw and most likely anyone saw were a joke to single out the weak and cowardly for extra motivation through pt and even more yelling.

 

[beerftw]

Yeah the people who struggle and can’t make it through basic training are definitely not cut out for Army life. There is nothing there that is overly difficult and if being away from your family for a few months makes you so stressed out that you can’t cope it’s best you get out right then and there.

being away from family is the name of the game of being in the military, I understand the family issues like your wife died and you are freaking out about needing emergency leave, or your grandfather who raised you because your actual parents are deadbeats is on his deathbed, but those are more emergencies and generally handled through the chain of command and the chaplain.

I agree though if being away from their family alone stresses them that much, or if not being allowed to sleep in on weekends until noon stresses them out, or eating food in the middle of a field and not a fancy diner stresses them out, they were never cut out for service.

 

[multivita-man]

About a year before I retired from the Navy, a gay shipmate who I used to joke around with told me about a bar that just opened around the corner from my house that had entertainment and offered up really good club sandwiches. He told me to go check it out. I said yeah OK........... blah blah blah

I never dawned on me that he was setting me up.

I decided to stop in there one afternoon for the hell of it. (the name of the place should have gave it away )

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I sat at the bar to get a beer and a lunch menu when a couple of customers walked over towards some nearby stools as I busted out laughing. I could see that they were trans, and they probably thought I was being a real jerk until I told them about my shipmate being a smart ass and setting up the straight guy. Anyways.....at least they thought it was pretty funny and the bartender got a good laugh as well. We had a fun conversation and the bar really did make a great club sandwich.
When I got back to the ship a few days later I told my friend that I stopped in there. He asked what I thought with a smirk on his face................. I told him that I got a couple phone numbers. His jaw almost hit freaking the deck.

You're alright, @RetiredUSN . We don't agree on things, but we don't have to. You're a decent person even if I think your politics are shit, lol (as I'm sure you think mine are).

 

[RaleBulgarian]

When I served the queers

You served “the queers”?

What service/s did you provide “the queers”?

… did not celebrate their illness

Homosexuality isn’t an illness. Irrational prejudice and hate are though.

like they do today. President Clinton even in later years added 'don't ask, don't tell' for a reason.

It increased readiness.

It didn’t make any difference at all, except that service members couldn’t be separated unless they acknowledged engaging in gay sex.

Now in boot kids have cards they carry in their pocket for when they get stressed out. The DI is required to back off if the kid pulls it.

Straight up, lie.

“Stress cards” didn’t get recruits out of anything.

The truth behind basic training 'Stress Cards'

Basic trainees in the Air Force are being issued "Stress Cards." If basic training gets too hard, they can just pull these out for a break.

www.wearethemighty.com

We are a joke

“We” aren’t the joke.

Who cares?

I'm talking 2012. Hint. That's a 2 year difference. 2014-2012=2

Doesn’t matter to your lie.

 

[braindrain]

being away from family is the name of the game of being in the military, I understand the family issues like your wife died and you are freaking out about needing emergency leave, or your grandfather who raised you because your actual parents are deadbeats is on his deathbed, but those are more emergencies and generally handled through the chain of command and the chaplain.

I agree though if being away from their family alone stresses them that much, or if not being allowed to sleep in on weekends until noon stresses them out, or eating food in the middle of a field and not a fancy diner stresses them out, they were never cut out for service.

Obviously extreme family issues like close family members getting sick or dying is a special circumstance and needs to be treated different and I think units should bend over backwards to help soldiers going through that. I know when my wife has a loss in her immediate family my unit helped us out greatly and I still look back on that command team with great respect. Putting soldiers well being as a priority is something more command teams need to focus on. I think it pays dividends in the end.

But just being gone from home. Nope. Sorry that is just the way it is. An average year has me away from home a little over 50% of the year. With some being more than that. And that’s not counting all the night training or company level exercises that last 3 or 4 days and have us sleeping in the the team room.

If the tiny bit of stress basic training puts you in is to much to handle then you sure as hell don’t need to be in the military. I could only imagine what a deployment would do to them.

And frankly I see those people struggling in a lot on live

 

[Parrish]

So you're good with people having to hide their true self to maintain their employment? I'm not. No response to my question...Got any examples of heterosexuals having to hide their sexuality to keep their jobs?

What other communities are you okay with discriminating against? Or is it limited to just LGBTQ+?

Lots more. And that's a fact @mrjurrs. His avatar also tells you all you need to know about @VySky.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

If this were always the case I think there'd be a lot less conflict and division.

What “conflict and division”?

Over my 23 years of service and numerous shipboard and shore assignments, I never, not 1 single time ever witnessed, or even heard 2nd hand, of any “conflict and division” regarding gays.

Like @RetiredUSN said, most of the time we knew who the gay guys were, but it didn’t cause any problems and nobody said or did anything against them. They were our shipmates, period.

 

[Jezcoe]

Gays have always been in the military. General Washington probably had some.

Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben was a noted gay.

Wouldn't have won the war without him.

 

[beerftw]

Obviously extreme family issues like close family members getting sick or dying is a special circumstance and needs to be treated different and I think units should bend over backwards to help soldiers going through that. I know when my wife has a loss in her immediate family my unit helped us out greatly and I still look back on that command team with great respect. Putting soldiers well being as a priority is something more command teams need to focus on. I think it pays dividends in the end.

But just being gone from home. Nope. Sorry that is just the way it is. An average year has me away from home a little over 50% of the year. With some being more than that. And that’s not counting all the night training or company level exercises that last 3 or 4 days and have us sleeping in the the team room.

If the tiny bit of stress basic training puts you in is to much to handle then you sure as hell don’t need to be in the military. I could only imagine what a deployment would do to them.

And frankly I see those people struggling in a lot on live

The tiny bit of stress in basic shows on those deployed. We had a specialist, or pfc I foget, plus his buddy from basic, one got kicked out for being crazy, the other for drugs.

The crazy one was not crazy, he got caught faking it and the military wanted him gone either way, no one wants someone like that watching their six. He came to 4id shortly before deployment, aftr we deployed within the first day he kept saying he wanted t go home and he did not want to die. Mind you I kept telling him we were on the safest camp in afghanistan at the time because around mazer-i-sharif they were much less radical and rarely attacked.

Nope he freaked out, they put him on mwr detail in charge of telling people how long they could use skype on the 40 or so computers conneced to vsats, you know because we had thousands of soldiers there and uncle sam using it's equipment for mwr purposes does not mean waste it. Well he started to claim he was suicidal, nothing was taken from him, them he locked and loaded his rifle and aimed it at me a few days later, I was not alone and me and a few other soldiers tackled him just out of instinct. Nothing happened to him yet but later that same day he did the same to the platoon sergeant, suddenly it was no longer a paperwork game and his shoelaces were taken, his gun taken, everything taken.

After he finally got chaptered out he got called out because he was bragging on facebook about his injuries in battleand how brave he was, only for others to point out his cowardice. With how he acted I sure would not want him anywhere near me, many others served either the full deployment of most of the deployment, he turned tail and ran and was so cowardly he would rather threaten fellow soldiers to get out even if it meant a looney bin than serve in a combat zone. I wish that he had been filtered out in basic training, so his spot could have been used to someone dedicated to discipline and order, rather than be filledby a coward who squeaked through basic and ait and fled responsibility because he was deployed to the combat zone.

 

[craig]

Homosexuals have died for our country in all the wars in my lifetime and I am sure many before. Do you acknowledge that?

 

[iguanaman]

If this were always the case I think there'd be a lot less conflict and division.

Gays are a tiny % of the military. This is what is a real problem. Of course that is not mentioned in the "report".

Latest Military Sexual Assault Report Shows ‘Tragic’ Rise in Cases, Pentagon Officials Say​

Overall, 8.4 percent of female service members and 1.5 percent of male service members experienced unwanted sexual contact, according to the report.
The numbers across the military branches point to the problem getting worse. Sexual assault rates are up, the percentage of people reporting sexual assault is down and trust in the military when it comes to protecting victims is at an all time low.
The Marine Corps had the highest percentage of women experiencing unwanted sexual contact, with 13.4 percent. The Navy’s rate was the second highest.
It was the worst year since 2006 in terms of prevalence rates for women, said Beth Foster, executive director for Force Resiliency, during the press briefing. It was the second worst year for men.

https://news.usni.org/2022/09/01/la...s-tragic-rise-in-cases-pentagon-officials-say

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Just googled it, stress cards were not issued except in the early 90's so very likely it was like I mentioned not an issued item but rather an item handed out to those who seeked them as a prank.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_stress_card

It seems it was a short lived experiment followed by stress cards from the navy and air force that were not get out of pt and training cards but rather cards simply showing soldiers where to get help under extreme stress like the chaplain and other resources.

After googling the stress cards I saw and most likely anyone saw were a joke to single out the weak and cowardly for extra motivation through pt and even more yelling.

I was a Recruit Company Commander from November ‘91 through December ‘94, at Recruit Training Command, Great Lakes, IL.

The Navy’s only boot camp.

We did not have “stress cards” during that time however, I did stay in touch with several shipmates that continued training recruits after I transferred, and I can assure anyone unfamiliar with Navy basic training that the “stress cards”, the real “stress cards” (not the idiotic, lying representation that OP makes) when they were brought in, had no effect on how recruits were treated.

None.

Did the military really expell all those racist skin heads?

I only ever had one recruit, a white kid from Arkansas, come to me to say that he could not live/serve with African Americans.

He was immediately packed out from the Company and sent to out processing, via the Legal Department.

 

[braindrain]

The tiny bit of stress in basic shows on those deployed. We had a specialist, or pfc I foget, plus his buddy from basic, one got kicked out for being crazy, the other for drugs.

The crazy one was not crazy, he got caught faking it and the military wanted him gone either way, no one wants someone like that watching their six. He came to 4id shortly before deployment, aftr we deployed within the first day he kept saying he wanted t go home and he did not want to die. Mind you I kept telling him we were on the safest camp in afghanistan at the time because around mazer-i-sharif they were much less radical and rarely attacked.

Nope he freaked out, they put him on mwr detail in charge of telling people how long they could use skype on the 40 or so computers conneced to vsats, you know because we had thousands of soldiers there and uncle sam using it's equipment for mwr purposes does not mean waste it. Well he started to claim he was suicidal, nothing was taken from him, them he locked and loaded his rifle and aimed it at me a few days later, I was not alone and me and a few other soldiers tackled him just out of instinct. Nothing happened to him yet but later that same day he did the same to the platoon sergeant, suddenly it was no longer a paperwork game and his shoelaces were taken, his gun taken, everything taken.

After he finally got chaptered out he got called out because he was bragging on facebook about his injuries in battleand how brave he was, only for others to point out his cowardice. With how he acted I sure would not want him anywhere near me, many others served either the full deployment of most of the deployment, he turned tail and ran and was so cowardly he would rather threaten fellow soldiers to get out even if it meant a looney bin than serve in a combat zone. I wish that he had been filtered out in basic training, so his spot could have been used to someone dedicated to discipline and order, rather than be filledby a coward who squeaked through basic and ait and fled responsibility because he was deployed to the combat zone.

Damn that is crazy. Can’t say I am surprised though. Stuff like that is one of the major reasons I left the regular Army.

Honestly I don’t think the Army is doing itself and it’s soldiers and favors by trying to lower stress levels at basic and keeping people who don’t belong. Sooner or later they will likely have to deal with real stress and make things much worse. It’s not for completing the mission, it’s not good for the morale of the unit and it is not good for the mental health of the soldiers involved. I honestly think it’s part of why you see so much ptsd these days.
The military is just not for everyone. Especially combat arms.