Without the right of the people to keep and bear arms, how are they supposed to protect themselves?

[TurtleDude]

And what exactly is your self defense knowledge or experience level that gives you the insight into what everyone else needs.

I asked the same question earlier and do not recall seeing an answer (which I already know)

 

[Rucker61]

No you can't. You can't prove one bit of your experience on here


All you can prove is you have google

I can easily prove this statement wrong: "When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It's designed to do that. "

 

[TurtleDude]

I haven’t trained on Formula 1 race cars either but I know people don’t need one to get to work or the grocery store.

But this guy has trained on both, and agrees:

“I spent a career carrying typically either an M16 or an M4 Carbine. An M4 Carbine fires a .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm at about 3000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed for that. That’s what our soldiers ought to carry. I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.

We’ve got to take a serious look—I understand everyone’s desire to have whatever they want—but we’ve got to protect our children, we’ve got to protect our police, we’ve got to protect our population. Serious action is necessary. Sometimes we talk about very limited actions on the edges and I just don’t think that’s enough.”
-Gen. Stanley McChrystal

a military bureaucrat has no relevance dealing with civilian self defense. He's a moron on this subject. He has no issue with the police carrying those weapons either. He was fellating democrat politicians with that idiocy. He also ignores that a common shotgun used for shooting quail or a 30-30 lever action rifle that is popular for deer hunting-both create worse wounds than the NATO round out of a M4 rifle

 

[vegas giants]

I can easily prove this statement wrong: "When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It's designed to do that. "

That has nothing to do with my post

I'm not looking for a pissing contest here but claims of expertise by anonymous posters on here are dismissed

Cite actual experts please

 

[braindrain]

No you can't. You can't prove one bit of your experience on here


All you can prove is you have google

Lol. Actually it is fairly easy because the Army provides handy little certificates for schools attended. Things like the Special Forces Sniper Course or SFARTAETC.

 

[TurtleDude]

Both the 5.56mm NATO and the .223 Remington use a bullet that is actually .224 inches in diameter. This same diameter bullet is also used in the 22 Hornet, the .218 Bee, the .219 Donaldson Wasp, the .22-250, the .22 Swift, the .221 Remington Fireball, the .222 Remington, the .224 Valkyrie, 5.6 x50mm Magnum and the .225 Winchester. I've got seven different kinds of .224 bullets sitting on my reloading shelf; how many do you think McChrystal has?

ouch that's gonna leave a mark. His head will explode when he finds out that 357 magnum and a .38 special have the same diameter bullet as well!

 

[Lovebug]

Wet noodles. @Overitall s fault.

 

[vegas giants]

Lol. Actually it is fairly easy because the Army provides handy little certificates for schools attended. Things like the Special Forces Sniper Course or SFARTAETC.

Great post yours

 

[TurtleDude]

You were saying no experts agree to this. Sorry, a 4-star general is an expert.

no he isn't. This is about civilian self defense.

 

[TurtleDude]

How much shooting do you think a 4 star general has done in the last two decades of his career.

about as many felony traffic stops the chief of police has done or the head of the FBI has done

 

[braindrain]

Great post yours

Gladly just as soon as we determine what
we should set as a wager for who is right and who is wrong.

 

[TurtleDude]

How much strategic and policy planning have they done in battlefields regarding use of weaponry compared to you?

we are talking about civilian self defense in a civilian environment, not battlefields. BTW if you are a four star general you are a politician. Pure and simple. You kissed ass in the right places

 

[jonny5]

I'll play ... No, the U.S. Constitution does not protect one's right to protect one's self (for instance, if the right to protect oneself existed naturally or by some other legal granting outside of the Constitution).

Ill play too....Yes, it does.

 

[vegas giants]

Gladly just as soon as we determine what
we should set as a wager for who is right and who is wrong.

How do we prove its yours?

 

[Rucker61]

a military bureaucrat has no relevance dealing with civilian self defense. He's a moron on this subject. He has no issue with the police carrying those weapons either. He was fellating democrat politicians with that idiocy. He also ignores that a common shotgun used for shooting quail or a 30-30 lever action rifle that is popular for deer hunting-both create worse wounds than the NATO round out of a M4 rifle

He doesn't even have a CIB.

 

[TurtleDude]

He doesn't even have a CIB.

he's a joke when it comes to this topic.

 

[vegas giants]

He doesn't even have a CIB.

Were you a ranger?


He was

 

[braindrain]

How do we prove its yours?

How every you like. I can easily take a picture of the cert and my ID showing the same first three letters of my name.

So what’s the wager. I was thinking the losers leaves the sight for good. But open to your ideas.

 

[vegas giants]

How every you like. I can easily take a picture of the cert and my ID showing the same first three letters of my name.

So what’s the wager. I was thinking the losers leaves the sight for good. But open to your ideas.

It would not make you more of an expert that McChrystal who was a ranger

 

[braindrain]

It would not make you more of an expert that McChrystal who was a ranger

Lol. How exactly do you figure that. Especially since he was a staff officer when he was in Rgr Bn. Or do you think staff officers spend a lot of time at the range.

So what’s the bet.

You sure seem to be trying to grasp for straws now.

 

[vegas giants]

Lol. How exactly do you figure that. Especially since he was a staff officer when he was in Rgr Bn.

So what’s the bet.

Couldn't make it thru ranger school? Lol

 

[TurtleDude]

Lol. How exactly do you figure that. Especially since he was a staff officer when he was in Rgr Bn. Or do you think staff officers spend a lot of time at the range.

So what’s the bet.

That General has no relevance to civilian firearms issues

 

[vegas giants]

The "experts" on this forum are dismissed. Lol

 

[CharloTexan]

Ill play too....Yes, it does.

OK, let's go to the second inning ...

An angry stranger is approaching me wielding a sharpened chef's knife, pretty much aimed at my chest. In an effort to "protect myself" from bodily harm, I douse the potential offender with gasoline, and then set him afire. From what angle and quote may I utilize and cite the US Constitution to assert my "right to protect myself."

Your turn at bat ....

 

[Rucker61]

It would not make you more of an expert that McChrystal who was a ranger

He doesn't have a CIB. That means in all of his experience as a Ranger he never once fired a rifle in combat.