I could support the Trump rapid withdrawal from Syria ..... but only in an information vacuum.
Regrettably, I realize Erdogan is going to slaughter as many Syrian Kurds as the world will allow him to get away with.
US military personal in the region I have spoken to despise Donald Trump for this betrayal.
It's a fair point to be sure, and I can eat a decent size concrete mixer full of humble pie because of it.
But at the same time, did the United States invade Iraq on humanitarian grounds?
Has it ever?
It certainly didn't invade Iraq over the gassing of kurds.
When are you going to invade North Korea or Burundi then?
Somalia would be an exception I could think of, but at the time, it wasn't really a country as it had no government.
On the other hand, an extra-national terrorist group trying to take over the entire region, that's something a little different.
I find it strange that liberals who were against our 'invasion' in the middle east now somehow think this Trump order to withdraw is a bad decision? I think if Trump wants something no matter what, it must be bad.
Where were the left when Obama ordered our draw down of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan?
On August 23, 2018, The US Senate voted for a $675 billion appropriations bill to fund the unlimited war projects.
The warhawk Democrats carried the majority.
The vote was 85-7 led by Democrat Senators.
44 Democrats voted for the bill.
41 Republicans voted for the bill.
0 Democrats voted against the bill.
6 Republicans voted against the bill.
1 Socialist Bernie Sanders voted against the bill.
3 Democrats did not vote.
5 Republicans did not vote.
These SAME DEMOCRATS voted 47-1 on Friday to block funding of border security in the latest spending bill.
These same Democrats attacked President Trump for withdrawing US troops from Syria — after their mission was accomplished.
It appears we have a new party of warmongers!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-one-voted-to-secure-border-think-about-that/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-mi...ts-forces-from-northeastern-syria-11545225641
WASHINGTON—President Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. military forces from Syria, officials said Wednesday, marking an abrupt shift of the U.S.’s posture in the Middle East....
Please vote and explain your vote if you wish.
I’d like to see the US leave Syria but not this moment and certainly not the moronic way Trump is doing it. Trump has no concept of actions and consequences. None. He has no concept of international relations. Well, we could go on but suffice to say that Donald Trump is inept and unfit to be the president let alone the CIC.
While I like the thought of disentangling ourselves from the whole region, the truth is the Kurds is Syria where a major supporter of our efforts against ISIS, spearheading the fighting and doing most of the dying. Abandoning them to their fate leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, and I think sends the wrong message to those who might want to help us in the future.
Our involvement is why this war in Syria has lasted as long as it did - more of the perpetuation of the Cold War with Russia - now for nearly 7 decades and trillions of dollars. Syria has been in the Russian sphere for over half a century and is Russia's only foreign base - while I doubt anyone on the forum can count how many the USA has in other countries around the world.
So now we listen to the Democrats rant for more war. Starting with the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam, probably upwards of 90%+ of American war casualties and war costs have been under Democratic Presidents. There is no war the Democratic Party does not want. War is very profitable to the global super rich, which is who the Democratic Party serves - then, now and likely forever. If $1 can be made off of war-deaths, the Democratic Party is for it.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day so President Trump actually made the right decision on Syria, probably for all the wrong reasons. Sec. Def. Mattis is a wise man but also a warhawk and a militarist. That they profoundly disagree on this issue is no surprise. Leave Syria to Assad and his Russian allies. The Kurds are a people who have always gotten the short end of the stick in history and this is just the most recent collective screwing over they are enduring. Let the Turks, the Syrians, the Iranians, the Israelis and the Russians spill their own peoples' blood in order to play their never-ending geopolitical games. There is no reason that American men and women should die or be maimed in this historical crucible of betrayal and misery. Walk away.
Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Saddam was in violation of 18 UNSCRs, including firing on coalition aircraft enforcing a no fly zone to prevent genocide. 200,000 Kurds. 50,000 Marsh Arabs. Institutionalized rape. Government rape squads lead by Saddam's sons. Mass graves covering the country. A complete lack of legitimate social structure. Such is the work of a genocidal dictator.
You understand we have limited resources, right? We need to set priorities according to global damage, risk, capability, allies and a million other factors. Then we decide where to spend the blood and treasure we can afford.
It would be great if we could liberate the world all at once, but you surely understand why we cannot, and it's not because we don't care.
Al Shabab was the government of Somalia. It is now a fledgling democracy.
I find it strange that liberals who were against our 'invasion' in the middle east now somehow think this Trump order to withdraw is a bad decision? I think if Trump wants something no matter what, it must be bad.
Where were the left when Obama ordered our draw down of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan?
We had a relatively small number of troops there, about 2000. They were mostly there to support the coalition of allies fighting against ISIS. Trump is saying they were defeated. Our allies Britain and France say ISIS is not defeated. Turkey does not trust and attacks Syrian Kurds that they regard as an extension of the PKK, Syrian Kurds were effective in attacking ISIS. Now Turkey is free to attack the Kurds who feel betrayed by the US. Turkish troops are now massing to attack Kurdish held areas and towns in Syria. Our coalition allies are upset that we didn't consult with them before making the decision to withdraw. Trust in the US by Allies and especially the Kurds took a hit. ISIS could be emboldened now that the US is gone. I can support bringing most of our troops home. I cannot support adding to trust woes with allies and opening up Syrian Kurds to attacks by Turkey. Allies increasingly feel they cannot trust the US as a partner.
Possibly a first -- I agree with you.
Trump thinks himself smarter than everyone else - including his generals. I don't see how this is the right decision in the war against ISIS.
The USA has to do everything of the "Allies" won't trust us... sounds like the "Allies" are a bunch of ****ing panzies...
I seriously doubt withdrawing of about 2000 US troops will have much impact on Turkey plans one way or the other.
I say get out and watch carefully for any step in my direction.
Generals should be kept well away from policy making which in a democracy must be firmly under civilian control. Generals always choose the use of force option, hence disasters like Vietnam; the US should have learnt and remembered a very painful lesson.
.... or maybe the allies are displaying wisdom.
They certainly won't telegraph their plans. We'll start seeing an upsurge in ISIS/AQ attacks on US soft targets.
The ranks of these groups will be rapidly swelling due to the propaganda bonanza Donnie has handed them.
With any luck, our intelligence agencies still function so we will at least be able to notice what is happening. As it is Uncle Donny has degraded everything and ignores whatever they say, but hopefully SOMETHING still functions.
With any luck, our intelligence agencies still function so we will at least be able to notice what is happening. As it is Uncle Donny has degraded everything and ignores whatever they say, but hopefully SOMETHING still functions.
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