with your kind permission …O Muslims

with your kind permission …O Muslims

What does Islam mean?
Peace?
Peace with whom???

Peace with Christians?
Peace with Jews?
Peace with whom???

Have you ever even encountered that question???

Peace with whom?
Peace with elephants?
Peace with birds?
Peace with whom???

You claim day and night that Islam is religion of peace,
Peace with whom???

Peace with mountains?
Peace with trees?
Peace with oceans?
Peace with whom???

What do you mean by Peace?

Don’t you believe that that peace is answer to every question?
Don’t you think that that peace is the solution of every problem?
Don’t you think that that peace is the treatment of all illness?

Has any one ever told you that that peace is the solution of millions of problems???
Has any one ever told you that that peace has millions of dimensions???
Has any one ever told you that that peace is the real jehad???

Why is this that you do not concentrate on peace much?
Why is this that you do not research peace much?
Why is this that you do not study dimensions of peace much?

How many books have been written by muslim writers on dimensions of peace during last one hundred years???

How many muslims have researched peace for PhDs and published papers during last one hundred years???

Reciting peace twenty four hours a day has no value,
Until you are able to see solutions in it,

I am not objecting on Islam,
Islam is religion of peace,
I am objecting on you,
I am asking question to you,

Peace with whom???

Wars are easy,
Peace is difficult,
That’s why religion has adopted a difficult way to test your abilities!!!

Wars then victories and then imposition of victor’s ideology,
This is ordinary,
From pharaoh to victoria,
Every one has been doing that,
This is not special,
This is not even an invention,
This is ordinary,

Your excellence will be determined when you are able to achieve every legal thing with peace!!!

Can you do that???
Can you do that through peace???
Can you do that through peace without murdering even a bird???

Here, you will, of course refer to Falistine issue, Kashmir issue, Afghanistan issue, Iraq issue, Libya issue, etc.,

This is the world,
This is not your dining table where your favorite dishes are decorated,
This is world,

No one in the world has hundred percent favorite things,
Not even for Mr Obama or Mrs elizabeth,

Every problem has so many layers!!!
Your job is to study every single layer,
And at the end finally, there is the solution without hassle!!!

Using swords and bombs is very easy,
Even illiterates can do that,
But finding solution through peace is the job of the Book,
Illiterates and fools have no role in that,

Those go on wars and irritations who are unable to study problems comprehensively, or,
They believe in wars and irritations by tendency of greed,

Guns cannot produce songs,
Guns become old and gunners become tired,
Peace has songs for every season forever!!!

And you do not study peace, why???

“Oh, look at that man!
He has killed hundred kaffir in an hour!!!
How brave he is!!!”

And then???
And then???

When you produce an action,
You immediately start a process, in which you will continue to circle around your action,
You can never end it,
It will end with justice finally,
No matter if it takes thousands of years,

When you study and research peace,
You may notice it,

Another thing:

You remember and celebrate many personalities,
For example, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman, Ali, Hussein, etc.,
Why don’t you remember and celebrate Jesus???

Isn’t it true that Jesus is the Soul of God (Rooh-Allah) as you say???
Why then you do not organize any celebration for Jesus, why???
Has Prophet Mohammad stopped you from doing that???
No, this is not true,
Prophet Mohammad himself praised and remembered Jesus so many times,
Then why you don’t do that???

Who has told you to reserve Jesus for Christians only???
Who has told you to reserve Moses for Jews only???
Who???

Who has stopped you not to get strength from the love of Jesus???
Who has stopped you not to get strength from the love of Moses???

Whenever you talk you talk about Muslims,
Whenever you announce you announce for Muslims,
And in the same breath you recite that “Mohammad is peace for whole universe”!!!

Do you do that intentionally on purpose???
What purpose???

If you only address Muslims then why others should listen to you???
If you intentionally or habitually exclude others then why others should listen to you???

You shrink and isolate yourself on one hand,
And then you recite: “Mohammad is peace for the whole universe” on the other!!!

Peace with whom???

You generalize too much, and you have way too much time on your hands. I hope you didn't actually write this, is looks like borderline mental instability and obsession to me.

Islam actually means "submission."

Those who say "Islam is a religion of peace" are ignorant of reality, as are those on the opposite side who believe that Islam is inherently violent.

What the opposite side thinks doesn't matter in reference to the meaning of islam, they don't know anything about it, and in no way does their perception of it have any effect on any true reality.

You are right SB, Islam means submission. Islam is a religion of war. The Prophet Mohammed was a warrior. Islam was concieved in war. Those peaceful suras, the Meccan suras where replaced by the Medinan, more violent surahs. To put it another way the Meccan Suras were superseded by the Medinan suras. Islam is a religion of war, of subjugation, and of total submission. When the Meccan suras where given Mohammed was trying to persuade people of the book (Jews and Christians) to Islam. They were peaceful suras. By the Time Mohammed went to Medina the surahs became more violent towards Christians and Jews and all non believers. The Meccan suras where no longer relevant. By this time Mohammed was a murderer, rapist, thief, and deciever. Three years before he moved to Medina he Married the child Aisha at which time he became a pedophile. The evil cult known as Islam was well on its way to becoming the religion of war and death to all who do not submit.....

SE102 said:

What the opposite side thinks doesn't matter in reference to the meaning of islam, they don't know anything about it, and in no way does their perception of it have any effect on any true reality.

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keep telling yourself that non believers do not know anything about the meaning of Islam.

Wiseone said:

You generalize too much, and you have way too much time on your hands. I hope you didn't actually write this, is looks like borderline mental instability and obsession to me.

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Why do you not attack his message, Wiseone?

Wake said:

Why do you not attack his message, Wiseone?

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The message speaks for itself, no attack is needed. Anyone with any degree of education can see the fallacies, but my attack on the person and the message are actually the same. Both the message and the messenger generalize far too much.

SgtRock said:

keep telling yourself that non believers do not know anything about the meaning of Islam.

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I misread the post I replied to, but as for you... having lived in a muslim country for 3 years and spoken with Imams in the US and taken a class on Islam in modernity something tells me whatever cards your holding are a little weaker and you should fold. Not only do you presume to summarize a diverse and massive religion of many cultures, but you seem to profess some sort of inner knowledge that the most studied muslims do not themselves know. Let me make it simple: That's like saying you know more about Marxism than a Marxist, or about Japan than a Japanese person. Adn wtf is a non-believer, something tells me this leads to some idea on your part that its the so far non-converted of earth in the devils religion of islam that seeks to control the globe? I'm preparing some tinfoil for you just in case.

Non-believer = infidel, kaffir, people of the book, anyone who is not a muslim. Do you know what a surah is? Did you know that the suras of the Quran are contradictory. Have you read the Quran? Did you notice the difference in tone of the suras as it relates to people of the book. The difference between the suras from Mohammeds time in Mecca and those from his time in Medina? Do you have any idea what I am talking about? Because if you do not I suggest you educate yourself before you try to debate someone who has spent the last 10 years studying Islam.

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Non-believer = infidel, kaffir, people of the book, anyone who is not a muslim. Do you know what a surah is? Did you know that the suras of the Quran are contradictory. Have you read the Quran? Did you notice the difference in tone of the suras as it relates to people of the book. The difference between the suras from Mohammeds time in Mecca and those from his time in Medina? Do you have any idea what I am talking about? Because if you do not I suggest you educate yourself before you try to debate someone who has spent the last 10 years studying Islam.

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I wasn't aware of an equivalence between dhimmis and munafeqs, at this rate it sounds like that you have studied islam seeking confirmation bias (or so I assume). If you had studied Islam for 10 years that's probably the case. That parts of the Qu'ran are contradictory really means nothing at all in the context of this conversation. If you're studying Islam on your own and not being guided by an authority then you don't have squat. I'm not going to get into a theologica debate with you. I've youve studied the Qu'ran for 10 years and arent a muslim you have something wrong going on.

SE102 said:

I I've youve studied the Qu'ran for 10 years and arent a muslim you have something wrong going on.

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Assuredly, that must be it. Of course he must be guided by "authorities" to reach his own conclusions.

SgtRock said:

The Prophet Mohammed was a warrior. Islam was concieved in war.

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Moses was a warrior. Mosaic Law was conceived in war. so judaism is a religion of violence.

jesus of nazareth was an peaceful preacher of brotherly love so Christianity is a relgion of peace and loving one's neighbors and even one's enemies.

'scuse me, i think i may have something caught in my throat.

geo.

SE102 said:

I wasn't aware of an equivalence between dhimmis and munafeqs, at this rate it sounds like that you have studied islam seeking confirmation bias (or so I assume). If you had studied Islam for 10 years that's probably the case. That parts of the Qu'ran are contradictory really means nothing at all in the context of this conversation. If you're studying Islam on your own and not being guided by an authority then you don't have squat. I'm not going to get into a theologica debate with you. I've youve studied the Qu'ran for 10 years and arent a muslim you have something wrong going on.

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I choose not to be guided by a so called authority. An authority who has studied Islam and is not a muslim must have something wrong with them. I choose not to be brainwashed by an authority who is a muslim. I have studied Islam on my own, reading and re reading many times the quran, sunnah and hadiths. I have read and re read the Sahih al Bukhari. With an open mind I have spent endless hours trying to understand why Muslims hate non muslims. It was there in the Medinan suras, in context, the hatred jumps out of the pages, all 286 verses of the medinan suras are full of hate. Shall I quote them for you in context so there will be no doubt?

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With an open mind I have spent endless hours trying to understand why Muslims hate non muslims.

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This is sad already. And contradicts my real life experiences being friends with and going to school with muslims of several countries. You can post whatever you want, but I probably wont read it.

This looks like a dumb chain e-mail I get from my supre Christian-Conservative grandpa....

Way too many people do not realize that Islam has never been properly challenged or reformed as Christianity was with the Birth and Death of Jesus.

Not that stoning was a part of the old Testament,as was threats and intimidation that was, mostly all put to rest with the words and deeds of Jesus, that made it about acceptance and forgiveness without the use of violence against others.

Radicals in any subject can become dangerous and twist anything to mean what ever their own twisted minds want. Environmentalism has become a wild and wacky Cult that is no longer interested in fixing anything but it would put a few very well paid people out of a cushy job.

It's like David Koresh who made himself into the Messiah and the only one who could have sex with the women in the Cult.


Radical Islam is a Cult as it is today, and will remain such until a charismatic Islamic Leader steps up to reform it.

Middle Easterners are not interested in world peace. All they know and truly understand is hate and violence, especially against anyone who won't bend to their will or believe what they do.

What about Morocco? You hate them too? They have a parliament.

What if we swapped "Americans" for "Middle Easterners" (whatever that means)

bryann380 said:

Middle Easterners are not interested in world peace. All they know and truly understand is hate and violence, especially against anyone who won't bend to their will or believe what they do.

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Bigotry sound the same in any language...