With whom would you rather serve?

[Goobieman]

My issue was solely with the policy--not who started it.

YeahOK. :roll:

The official policy:

Sexual orientation will not be a bar to service unless manifested by homosexual conduct.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Lemme try again:

Do the gay men/woman have seperate showers, barracks and such from the straight men?

Is the convicted criminal gay? And what was he convicted of?

 

[aps]

Lemme try again:

Do the gay men/woman have seperate showers, barracks and such from the straight men?

I have not personally served; however, I believe there are no separate showers, as no one is supposed to know that a particular person is gay.

Is the convicted criminal gay? And what was he convicted of?

LOL!

 

[Calm2Chaos]

I have not personally served; however, I believe there are no separate showers, as no one is supposed to know that a particular person is gay.



LOL!

Then NO... Or neither. Unles your going to have seperate barracks and showers then gays should not be serving. As for criminals, It would depend on there crime. If they were convicted of killing soldiers in there sleep I would probably opt out of that one too.

 

[faithful_servant]

DeeJay, for a change , I have not criticized George Bush in this thread.

I'm putting this on my calendar as a day to remember.... :roll:

 

[faithful_servant]

Allright! Allright! Clinton is an a$$hole! Is that what you're looking for?

...and I'm going to print this out and stick it on my calendar as well. :rofl

 

[aps]

...and I'm going to print this out and stick it on my calendar as well. :rofl

Finally, a sense of humor! :lol:

 

[jallman]

Then NO... Or neither. Unles your going to have seperate barracks and showers then gays should not be serving. As for criminals, It would depend on there crime. If they were convicted of killing soldiers in there sleep I would probably opt out of that one too.

Here is a news flash...if you played any kind of sports and weren't one of the bird chested boys who ran home afterward to shower, you have probably already showered with homos. If you have a gym membership and shower there, you probably have washed your wee-wee right beside a 'mo there too. The whole separate shower requirement is purely ludicrous...most queers are just as eager to finish their showers and get back into clothes in those situations as any other guy. When you are in the shower with a gay guy, you are probably being checked out with much less scrutiny than you are when you are outside mowing your lawn shirtless and one happens by.

 

[Goobieman]

Here is a news flash...if you played any kind of sports and weren't one of the bird chested boys who ran home afterward to shower, you have probably already showered with homos. If you have a gym membership and shower there, you probably have washed your wee-wee right beside a 'mo there too. The whole separate shower requirement is purely ludicrous...most queers are just as eager to finish their showers and get back into clothes in those situations as any other guy. When you are in the shower with a gay guy, you are probably being checked out with much less scrutiny than you are when you are outside mowing your lawn shirtless and one happens by.

Your use of the terms "homo", "'mo" and "queer" is horribly intolerant.
Please try to not so blatantly illustrate your irrational fear of homosexuals.

 

[faithful_servant]

Finally, a sense of humor! :lol:

Most people think I'm a very funny guy, like this:
The Sickest Joke You Will Ever Laugh At
Mommy Carrot, Daddy Carrot and Baby Carrot all went for a walk.
They came to a BIG freeway.
Mommy Carrot looked both ways and crossed the freeway.
Daddy Carrot looked both ways and crossed the freeway.
Baby Carrot ran out into the freeway without looking and got hit by a BIG semi-truck.
Baby Carrot was taken to the Hospital in an ambulance that went WOOOOO-WOOOOO-WOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
The Doctor operated on Baby Carrot for a very, very, VERY long time.
Finally, the Doctor came out.
He went to Mommy and Daddy Carrot and told them, "I have godd news, and I have bad news. The good news is that Baby Carrot will live. The bad news is that he's going to be a vegetable for the rest of his life."

 

[aps]

Most people think I'm a very funny guy, like this:
The Sickest Joke You Will Ever Laugh At
Mommy Carrot, Daddy Carrot and Baby Carrot all went for a walk.
They came to a BIG freeway.
Mommy Carrot looked both ways and crossed the freeway.
Daddy Carrot looked both ways and crossed the freeway.
Baby Carrot ran out into the freeway without looking and got hit by a BIG semi-truck.
Baby Carrot was taken to the Hospital in an ambulance that went WOOOOO-WOOOOO-WOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
The Doctor operated on Baby Carrot for a very, very, VERY long time.
Finally, the Doctor came out.
He went to Mommy and Daddy Carrot and told them, "I have godd news, and I have bad news. The good news is that Baby Carrot will live. The bad news is that he's going to be a vegetable for the rest of his life."

:rofl Good one!

 

[jallman]

Your use of the terms "homo", "'mo" and "queer" is horribly intolerant.
Please try to not so blatantly illustrate your irrational fear of homosexuals.

You really have no clue, do you?

Didn't think so.

 

[Goobieman]

You really have no clue, do you?
Didn't think so.

And now, ad hominen attacks.
Sad. Really.

 

[aps]

Here is a news flash...if you played any kind of sports and weren't one of the bird chested boys who ran home afterward to shower, you have probably already showered with homos. If you have a gym membership and shower there, you probably have washed your wee-wee right beside a 'mo there too. The whole separate shower requirement is purely ludicrous...most queers are just as eager to finish their showers and get back into clothes in those situations as any other guy. When you are in the shower with a gay guy, you are probably being checked out with much less scrutiny than you are when you are outside mowing your lawn shirtless and one happens by.

When Don't Ask, Don't Tell was effectuated, a guy who was in Navy ROTC was furious. He said to me, "I don't want those guys staring at me all the time when I'm taking a shower." My reply, "Don't flatter yourself."

I don't know why men assume that gay men find all men attractive.

 

[jallman]

And now, ad hominen attacks.
Sad. Really.

No, sad was one of your infamous drive-by non-points that added nothing to the discussion...typical goobie behavior. Let me demonstrate why my terminology was not intolerant...not that I think you really care about tolerance for some strange reason...

1) Homo...short for homosexual.
2) 'mo...short for homo
3) Queer...perfectly acceptable slang terminology...comparable to saying "gay" instead of homosexual.
4) Oh...yeah...I am one.

 

[Goobieman]

When Don't Ask, Don't Tell was effectuated, a guy who was in Navy ROTC was furious. He said to me, "I don't want those guys staring at me all the time when I'm taking a shower." My reply, "Don't flatter yourself."

I don't know why men assume that gay men find all men attractive.

So tell us about the ridiculousness of this policy -- how barbaric and unenlightened it is to not allow homoseuxals in the military to act like homosexuals.

I mean, that -is- why you started this poll, isn't it?

Otherwise -- what's the point?

 

[mpg]

Openly gay people are not allowed to serve.

They should be allowed to serve, but don't make it sound like this is something new. They were never allowed to serve before.

 

[jallman]

So tell us about the ridiculousness of this policy -- how barbaric and unenlightened it is to not allow homoseuxals in the military to act like homosexuals.

I mean, that -is- why you started this poll, isn't it?

Otherwise -- what's the point?

And what exactly does a homosexual act like? I'm waiting...this ought to be good.

 

[Morrow]

Bringing up Clinton reminds me of Rush, that is his main tactic to avoid debate.

Claiming Clinton is responsible for prejudice against homosexuals in the military because the term “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” came about under is tenure is like claiming George Bush is responsible for Islamic Fascism. Clinton tried to stop that BS, but in the end compromised his values to make his Congress and Generals happy. I think that is pretty morally weak, but I don’t have all the information.

The main argument seems to be that gays would destroy morale, because they make some of the soldiers uncomfortable. Kind of like how black people make racists feel.
Homosexuals can serve, just so long as they aren’t being all gay and lisping when they say “sir”. Thus this magically relieves the tension, because the soldiers don’t have to worry about those gay people fantasizing about what’s under the camo. Because gay people, that’s all they think about you know.

In regards to the question, I wouldn’t mind serving with either. And in fact I have. Incompetence, trouble-making, morale destroying behavior and over all acting like a jackass is not limited to ex-cons and homosexuals. If someone has a problem with a belief or personal practice of another soldier, or anyone, then that person needs to accept the fact that some people will make them uncomfortable.

They let amputees serve in combat units, and they should. If you can meet the physical, mental and emotional demands of combat then they should be allowed to serve. Equality demands it.

 

[Goobieman]

Bringing up Clinton reminds me of Rush, that is his main tactic to avoid debate.

You're new here.
aps is a die-hard, can do no wrong Clinton fan.
Poiting out that this aberration is Clintonian policy -- policy that he chose to make when he could have done whatever he wanted -- is simply a way to stick a needle in her eye.

Claiming Clinton is responsible for prejudice against homosexuals in the military because the term “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” came about under is tenure is like claiming George Bush is responsible for Islamic Fascism.

Its his policy. Who else is responsible for the current policy if not Clinton?

 

[Morrow]

It seems like a red herring to me.

The codified form of Don't Ask Don't Tell is indeed a Clinton policy. Rather ridiculous since he had the authority to just do away with it in full. That is a DoD regulation, and changes to DoD regulations are clearly in the purview of the President.

I think he made a mistake when he tried to get Congressional support, the Republican congress did not want this change, and it was an issue where once he brought it to the table he couldn't take it back. Not without losing a lot go future bargaining power. Plus the General objected to his plan.

In the end, he is most responsible party yes. But some of the responsibility must be shared with the Congress and the Generals. In politics it seems you rarely act with autonomy.

But of course, anti-Homosexuality policies in the US military as very old. San Francisco is so "gay" because that is where the military discharged all homosexual service men during World War 2. It seems that some man on man action was more dangerous than Hitler. Clinton just loosened the rules a little bit to allow homosexuals to serve. But it is still ridiculous.

 

[jallman]

It seems like a red herring to me.

You're new here...and it seems within 4 posts you have already got goober pegged. He never really makes a real point...he just twists another's words when he isn't just outright sniping through threads taking drive-by shots to disrupt intelligent conversation. When you do confront him, he cuts and runs. Welcome to debatepolitics...I've enjoyed your posts so far. :2wave:

 

[cherokee]

Originally Posted by Goobieman
Your use of the terms "homo", "'mo" and "queer" is horribly intolerant.
Please try to not so blatantly illustrate your irrational fear of homosexuals

.

You really have no clue, do you?

Didn't think so.

Goobieman you walked right into that one............:lamo

 

[Jay R]

'Convicted Criminal' sounds a bit vague to me. I would not like to rule someone out of service on the basis of reasonably low level crime, and if a kid falls in with gangs, serves a few years and then gets released I'd rather the military take him on and set him on a better path than allow him to return to his previous life. On the flip side if PFC Childmolester were to be buddied up with me I'd in all likelihood put a few rounds in him during an engagement and report it as an insurgent sniper. Really does depend on what the crime was, certainly records should be declared.

[Edit: There should really be a poll option for 'both'.]

 

[aps]

So tell us about the ridiculousness of this policy -- how barbaric and unenlightened it is to not allow homoseuxals in the military to act like homosexuals.

I mean, that -is- why you started this poll, isn't it?

Otherwise -- what's the point?

Goobie, why can't you have a discussion without being a jerk? I don't think that someone's sexuality should have any impact on whether they are allowed to serve their country--whether it be in the military, Congress, the federal government, the judiciary, and the presidency. It's irrelevant. If a homosexual goes into service and cannot perform the job, kick him out. I don't support this policy at all.

I started the poll because I was curious as to how others felt about this issue.