Jay R said:'Convicted Criminal' sounds a bit vague to me. I would not like to rule someone out of service on the basis of reasonably low level crime, and if a kid falls in with gangs, serves a few years and then gets released I'd rather the military take him on and set him on a better path than allow him to return to his previous life. On the flip side if PFC Childmolester were to be buddied up with me I'd in all likelihood put a few rounds in him during an engagement and report it as an insurgent sniper. Really does depend on what the crime was, certainly records should be declared.
[Edit: There should really be a poll option for 'both'.]
This policy is pursuant to federal law, passed in 1993.Morrow said:I think he made a mistake when he tried to get Congressional support, the Republican congress did not want this change, and it was an issue where once he brought it to the table he couldn't take it back. Not without losing a lot go future bargaining power. Plus the General objected to his plan.
In the end, he is most responsible party yes. But some of the responsibility must be shared with the Congress and the Generals. In politics it seems you rarely act with autonomy.
Now be honest, aps -- if GWB had put this policy in place in 2001, wouldn't you be harping on him and his alliegence to the Christian fundamentalists?aps said:Goobie, why can't you have a discussion without being a jerk?
It isnt. Homosexuals arent barred from serving.I don't think that someone's sexuality should have any impact on whether they are allowed to serve their country
jallman said:Here is a news flash...if you played any kind of sports and weren't one of the bird chested boys who ran home afterward to shower, you have probably already showered with homos. If you have a gym membership and shower there, you probably have washed your wee-wee right beside a 'mo there too. The whole separate shower requirement is purely ludicrous...most queers are just as eager to finish their showers and get back into clothes in those situations as any other guy. When you are in the shower with a gay guy, you are probably being checked out with much less scrutiny than you are when you are outside mowing your lawn shirtless and one happens by.
You know, the US military must be made up of wimps if what you say is trueCalm2Chaos said:Sorry the answer is no. IF you are homosexual/Lesbian then a man/woman is what turns you on. I am not going to get into specifics or morals or any of that crap. This is the plain fact of how it is. If men didn't turn you on then you wouldn't be gay. So for the same reason they seperate mens and womans showers and barracks in ANY institution, they should seperate gay from straight if in the military. And if your going to tell me that a gay man in that settings isn't going to see a man he finds attractive then your completely lying IMO. If your telling me that it is not a problem then why are not all showers and barracks CO-ED in the military?
Calm2Chaos said:The difference of me cutting the lawn and showering I would think are obvious. .
Thinker said:You know, the US military must be made up of wimps if what you say is true
Thinker said:(and I don't believe that). Many other countries have gay people serving
openly and there have been no problems.
Thinker said:As to showering with people, it's not uncommon in Europe to have communal
facilities:
Thinker said:Ever been to a nude beach? Guess what. There will be gay people there too.
Gardener said:Don't know about you, but when I mow the lawn, I work up quite the manly sweat. Before I know it, my tight, white tee is clinging to my taught, tawny flesh, my boyish locks become tousled, little rivulets form on my brow and then rush past my chisled cheeks then drip upon by muscular shoulders where they continue to run down past my washboard abs before disappearing below my tight speedos.
It's really a lot like showering if it's done right.
jallman said:And what exactly does a homosexual act like? I'm waiting...this ought to be good.
jallman said:And what exactly does a homosexual act like? I'm waiting...this ought to be good.
“You know, the US military must be made up of wimps if what you say is true
(and I don't believe that). Many other countries have gay people serving
openly and there have been no problems.”
“As to showering with people, it's not uncommon in Europe to have communal
facilities: showers, saunas, and most people are adult enough to cope with it.
Ever been to a nude beach? Guess what. There will be gay people there too.”
doughgirl said:I agree, if there are “no sex” policies in place anyway, then what is the harm in showering together? I mean men with men and woman with woman.
Well I’m not going to one that is for sure. No way do I want to shower with a bunch of men. Or especially share a bathroom. .
doughgirl said:What does showering with lesbians and homosexuals have to do with defending ones country and doing ones job? .
doughgirl said:I truly believe that they can do as well at their jobs as anyone straight can. Why are men particularly so hostile? So some man comes on to you……say NO, NOT INTERESTED and move on. .
doughgirl said:I
Cherokee your hilarious.
Who would I rather serve with? The person whoever that might be; lesbian, homosexual, heterosexual, midget, black, white, pink, atheist, Christian, democrat, republican,…… who puts sex aside and does his job with total focus on the task at hand. One who is loyal to country and to the comrades he is serving with. One that can keep his mind off his own or someones elses genitals and on his job.
That’s who I’d want to serve with.
Goobieman said:That's right.
The issue here is Clinton's utterly barbaric edict that they cannot serve if they are open about their homosexualty.
What a wholly and completely unenlightened man, Clinton.
SouthernDemocrat said:You guys are unbelievable, the only reason for the dont ask dont tell was the placate the right wing. Had he just let them serve, you guys would have freaked.
SouthernDemocrat said:You guys are unbelievable, the only reason for the dont ask dont tell was the placate the right wing. Had he just let them serve, you guys would have freaked.
Calm2Chaos said:Sorry the answer is no. IF you are homosexual/Lesbian then a man/woman is what turns you on. I am not going to get into specifics or morals or any of that crap.
No problem there.This is the plain fact of how it is. If men didn't turn you on then you wouldn't be gay.
Well if thats what they want to do, then I find no problem with it. I just don't see a pressing need to force that particular issue in the context of the debate.So for the same reason they seperate mens and womans showers and barracks in ANY institution, they should seperate gay from straight if in the military.
And if your going to tell me that a gay man in that settings isn't going to see a man he finds attractive then your completely lying IMO. If your telling me that it is not a problem then why are not all showers and barracks CO-ED in the military?
Actually, it was more of a contrast, but who's counting? I am saying that the difference between a gay man seeing an attractive man on the street and seeing one in the shower is pretty apparent. First of all, on the street, there is no discomfort with the nudity and much less of a chance of being singled out for taking a look. In the shower, its different...a gay man is just like any other man in that he is just as eager to get his shower over with and get out as any other man.The difference of me cutting the lawn and showering I would think are obvious. And I think the comparison is absurd.
No, I am not going to tell you that as you are asking me to categorize the morals of all gay men. That doesn't work anymore than it works to categorize the morals of all straight men.Are you honestly going to tell me there isn't a single gay man that might find the oppurtunity to be around many other young men naked a good thing....
Then perhaps it is your morals that must be questioned and not the gay man's who wishes to serve his country.Sorry that is what is actually ludicrus. Let me shower with the woman. I promise I won't look, leer, stare, fantasize, desire, yern, have feelings for, want, be attracted to etc etc... YA .. you go ahead and believe that all you want.
By the way I played several sportson and off through high school. Football, Hockey, and baseball.
Adrian said:Well, there's the Gay Voice, for one. As David Cross observed, not all gay men talk that way, but only gay men have the Gay Voice.
Goobieman said:Had he wanted to 'just let them serve', there isnt anything the GOP could have done about it - the Dems held Congress. The only people that had the ability to keep gays from openly serving are the Dems.
doughgirl said:Who would I rather serve with? The person whoever that might be; lesbian, homosexual, heterosexual, midget, black, white, pink, atheist, Christian, democrat, republican,…… who puts sex aside and does his job with total focus on the task at hand. One who is loyal to country and to the comrades he is serving with. One that can keep his mind off his own or someones elses genitals and on his job.
One who will respect me for being who I am and one I can respect in the same way. Everyone is different,,,, but I cant help but think we can be adult enough to put stuff like that aside in order to do a job.
That’s who I’d want to serve with.
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