With Thompson out, I'm not voting in '08

[Renae]

I have written the GOP, for whatever good that will do, to inform them that I am not donating this year, and I'm staying home.

Some of you will say "People like you are just gonna hand the dems the win!"

Yeah and?

The GOP will NOT be rewarded by me with money and a vote by putting LIBERAL conservatives on the ballot. Sorry not gonna do it. Because rewarding such just ensures that the trend continues. It's time CONSERVATIVE VOTERS quit supporting the GOP for this behavior. Runnings as a Republican and governing as a democrat is NOT something I can in good concise support.

I suggest my fellow conservatives do the same.

 

[DarkWizard12]

^---yea, right.

Just admit it, none of them are liberal, you just don't like responsibility of having to actually define what a conservative is. All of them are conservative in their own right. McCain is a defense conservative, Giuliani and, to a certain extent Romney, is a fiscal consevative and Huckabee is a social conservative. Just vote who you'd rather see be the leader of the republican party.

 

[UtahBill]

^---yea, right.

Just admit it, none of them are liberal, you just don't like responsibility of having to actually define what a conservative is. All of them are conservative in their own right. McCain is a defense conservative, Giuliani and, to a certain extent Romney, is a fiscal consevative and Huckabee is a social conservative. Just vote who you'd rather see be the leader of the republican party.

Good post, for a Texan..:lol:
(I grew up in NE side of Houston)
Sure seems like the far right crowd will be pulling up their twisted panties and going home rather than stay and fight the democrats....
Certainly a moderate, or a liberal republican (whatever that is) would be better than any Democrat?

 

[Renae]

^---yea, right.

Just admit it, none of them are liberal, you just don't like responsibility of having to actually define what a conservative is. All of them are conservative in their own right. McCain is a defense conservative, Giuliani and, to a certain extent Romney, is a fiscal consevative and Huckabee is a social conservative. Just vote who you'd rather see be the leader of the republican party.

And all of them are lacking the over all package for who I will vote for.

Sorry buddy for your lame attempt to paint me as something I'm not, or that I cannot defend conservatism. They ARE liberal in ways I cannot support. Rudy, absolutely a liberal leader unless you are talking talking crime, national defense.

Mitt, "Fiscal Conservative" means JACK for me. That means all those pesky social issues I feel strongly about... get ignored. Huckabee is akin to Bush when it comes to government spending and I really don't like the guy to be honest, he comes off... smarmy to me. A Pandering Preacher that praises the Gospel and compels people to listen to him all the while he's pulling back room deals and pushing bigger government. No thank you.

 

[Renae]

Good post, for a Texan..:lol:
(I grew up in NE side of Houston)
Sure seems like the far right crowd will be pulling up their twisted panties and going home rather than stay and fight the democrats....
Certainly a moderate, or a liberal republican (whatever that is) would be better than any Democrat?

Why reward the Conservative party by voting for a "moderate" or a "Liberal Republican"?

Sorry you have to give me a REASON to vote FOR YOU, not a reason to vote against the other guy.

So no, it wouldn't be better. And I'm hardly "far right" bud.

 

[The silenced majority]

John McCain - Mr. "can't we all just get along?" - (usually at the expense of conservative principles), is & has been on the wrong side of too many seminal issues for conservatives for me to support him.

Mike Huckabee - Represents the newly emerging Christian left in the Republican party. Too much of his message revolves around projecting a sense of hopelessness on the American people that only his government would have the solutions for. Populism 101.

Mitt Romney - A very slick well polished politician that has a lot of appeal. He's made well in the private sector too. I just can't decide whether his many changed positions are a result of a true philosophical change or simply political expediency.

Rudy Gulliani - Gun grabber. I really shouldn't have to say much else. He's also a faithful follower of George W. Bush's Church of Democratism and over-reaching foreign policy objectives.

Ron Paul - Outstanding record on spending, taxes & government growth. All the while, extremely naive about the root cause and nature of the foreign threats America faces. Too risky to some, too un-charismatic to others; not much of a chance to win now.

Yep. I'll be sitting out too.

 

[UtahBill]

Why reward the Conservative party by voting for a "moderate" or a "Liberal Republican"?

Sorry you have to give me a REASON to vote FOR YOU, not a reason to vote against the other guy.

So no, it wouldn't be better. And I'm hardly "far right" bud.

Wasn't calling you far right.....
Why reward the conservatives by voting for a moderate or liberal republican?
That is your question, mine is, why punish the country by refusing to vote at all? Isn't that like voting for a democrat?

 

[Zyphlin]

^---yea, right.

Just admit it, none of them are liberal, you just don't like responsibility of having to actually define what a conservative is. All of them are conservative in their own right. McCain is a defense conservative, Giuliani and, to a certain extent Romney, is a fiscal consevative and Huckabee is a social conservative. Just vote who you'd rather see be the leader of the republican party.

None of them are "Liberal", but none are exactly what I'd call pure conservatives either. They're at best moderate conservatives. They're pretty conservatives in an area or two, as you point out, but in other areas they're much closer to liberals.

Its like saying I want a 5 star meal at a resturant and you bring me three to choose from.....one with the steak down perfectly but the salad, potatoes, and veggies are horrid. One with the steak looking green but good salad. And one with veggies and potatoes to die for but the other two things makes me scared to touch it.

You could go "Hey! Its a five star meal" because one part of it is exception. To me, its the whole package to be called a "True" something....not just parts here and there.

 

[Sergeant Stinger1]

I have written the GOP, for whatever good that will do, to inform them that I am not donating this year, and I'm staying home.

Some of you will say "People like you are just gonna hand the dems the win!"

Yeah and?

The GOP will NOT be rewarded by me with money and a vote by putting LIBERAL conservatives on the ballot. Sorry not gonna do it. Because rewarding such just ensures that the trend continues. It's time CONSERVATIVE VOTERS quit supporting the GOP for this behavior. Runnings as a Republican and governing as a democrat is NOT something I can in good concise support.

I suggest my fellow conservatives do the same.

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Watch the election votes very carefully. If a canidate loses by one vote then perhaps your vote would have counted, if no one won or lost by one vote then your vote didn't mean anything anyway.

 

[UtahBill]

None of them are "Liberal", but none are exactly what I'd call pure conservatives either. They're at best moderate conservatives. They're pretty conservatives in an area or two, as you point out, but in other areas they're much closer to liberals.

Its like saying I want a 5 star meal at a resturant and you bring me three to choose from.....one with the steak down perfectly but the salad, potatoes, and veggies are horrid. One with the steak looking green but good salad. And one with veggies and potatoes to die for but the other two things makes me scared to touch it.

You could go "Hey! Its a five star meal" because one part of it is exception. To me, its the whole package to be called a "True" something....not just parts here and there.

You want perfect? Wow. You are playing a very narrow field.
Are you married? If not, and you hold all prospective "running mates" to that standard, good luck finding a wife.
Better yet, if all the women out there are holding out for perfect, good luck on that count as well, for all of us....:2razz:

 

[Zyphlin]

You want perfect? Wow. You are playing a very narrow field.
Are you married? If not, and you hold all prospective "running mates" to that standard, good luck finding a wife.
Better yet, if all the women out there are holding out for perfect, good luck on that count as well, for all of us....:2razz:

I don't want perfect...but I want close. I didn't say I was sitting out this election, like others have, but I balk at the notion that any one of the front runners right now are "True Conservatives". All of them make me nervous on MAJOR issues...Huckabee on taxes and immigration is a ? at least, McCain is horrible on immigration and judicial issues, Romney is probably the one I'm least worried about as the social conservative side of things is probably on the bottom of the three main pillars for me. That said, his voting record in Mass is enough to give people a pause to think if he's truly a "true conservative".

I'm a bit more pragmatic in regards to voting...but I can fully understand a protest vote. It is rather annoying though when people try to pass off John McCain as if he's some god of conservativism, when his voting record clearly shows he's not.

 

[DarkWizard12]

And all of them are lacking the over all package for who I will vote for.

Sorry buddy for your lame attempt to paint me as something I'm not, or that I cannot defend conservatism. They ARE liberal in ways I cannot support. Rudy, absolutely a liberal leader unless you are talking talking crime, national defense.

Mitt, "Fiscal Conservative" means JACK for me. That means all those pesky social issues I feel strongly about... get ignored. Huckabee is akin to Bush when it comes to government spending and I really don't like the guy to be honest, he comes off... smarmy to me. A Pandering Preacher that praises the Gospel and compels people to listen to him all the while he's pulling back room deals and pushing bigger government. No thank you.

You missed the point.

All politicians have weaknesses, even Thompson was liberal on some issues. He only scored 4 points above McCain as far as conservatism goes. They all are conservatives in their own right. In this presidential election, you have to define which wing of the party is most important, social, fiscal, or defense conservatism. Unlike before where the rep politicians and rich chose for you who was to lead the republican party, you have to choose for yourself. Look. You don't want to vote, fine, but if a candidate gets into office and you don't like him/her, you have no right to complain because you did nothing about it.

 

[Doremus Jessup]

Yeah, to hell with voting this year! I'm gonna prove a point by not voting for a US senate seat, a US representative, state senator and representatives, city council,... Who the President is is the only important election. :roll:

How is this any different than somebody saying:

1 "Yeah, I voted last time."

2 "Oh, you mean for that school bond?"

1 "No."

You could always write in the candidate you like best. :doh I'm currently leaning towards Hulk Hogan.:lol:

 

[Renae]

I'll vote, but not for President. Because frankly, I don't like any of the choices before me.

And if I have no reason to vote FOR them other then to defeat the democrats... I don't have a reason to vote.

 

[Doremus Jessup]

I'll vote, but not for President. Because frankly, I don't like any of the choices before me.

And if I have no reason to vote FOR them other then to defeat the democrats... I don't have a reason to vote.

That would actually be "throwing away" your vote as that is what happens to incomplete ballots.

 

[ARealConservative]

That would actually be "throwing away" your vote as that is what happens to incomplete ballots.

Our republic still allows the 50 states to conduct their own elections believe it or not, and they don't all operate the way you suggest.

 

[Renae]

That would actually be "throwing away" your vote as that is what happens to incomplete ballots.

I'll write in mickey mouse.

 

[UtahBill]

. That said, his voting record in Mass is enough to give people a pause to think if he's truly a "true conservative".

I'm a bit more pragmatic in regards to voting...but I can fully understand a protest vote. It is rather annoying though when people try to pass off John McCain as if he's some god of conservativism, when his voting record clearly shows he's not.

McCain's voting record can be an issue, but Romney's? He was a governor, and he either vetoes a bill, or signs the bill that state legislature sends to him.
So it isn't exactly a voting record. He is there as governor to enact the will of the majority , and it looks like he was doing just that....

 

[MC.no.spin]

I have written the GOP, for whatever good that will do, to inform them that I am not donating this year, and I'm staying home.

Some of you will say "People like you are just gonna hand the dems the win!"

Yeah and?

The GOP will NOT be rewarded by me with money and a vote by putting LIBERAL conservatives on the ballot. Sorry not gonna do it. Because rewarding such just ensures that the trend continues. It's time CONSERVATIVE VOTERS quit supporting the GOP for this behavior. Runnings as a Republican and governing as a democrat is NOT something I can in good concise support.

I suggest my fellow conservatives do the same.

The only chance of getting two conservative Supreme Court judges appointed next rests on there being a Republican president. You want to protest the menu go right ahead, but if you want to see Roe v Wade, gay marriage, kids educated on homosexual anal and oral sex and given condoms, etc. let a Democrat take office. I suggest you hold your nose and vote Republican. You're also overblowing the situation. Go to this site ww.ontheissues.org, have a stiff drink and realize your social issues only stand a chance of getting addressed with a Republican.

 

[Cephus]

I don't want perfect...but I want close. I didn't say I was sitting out this election, like others have, but I balk at the notion that any one of the front runners right now are "True Conservatives". All of them make me nervous on MAJOR issues...Huckabee on taxes and immigration is a ? at least, McCain is horrible on immigration and judicial issues, Romney is probably the one I'm least worried about as the social conservative side of things is probably on the bottom of the three main pillars for me. That said, his voting record in Mass is enough to give people a pause to think if he's truly a "true conservative".

Exactly and the problem is, there isn't anyone even close to my views. I don't want any of these idiots in the White House, I'd much rather have *NO* President than any of the morons running.

We really need a "None of the above" option on the ballot, but I have a feeling it would win every time.

 

[Renae]

The only chance of getting two conservative Supreme Court judges appointed next rests on there being a Republican president. You want to protest the menu go right ahead, but if you want to see Roe v Wade, gay marriage, kids educated on homosexual anal and oral sex and given condoms, etc. let a Democrat take office. I suggest you hold your nose and vote Republican. You're also overblowing the situation. Go to this site ww.ontheissues.org, have a stiff drink and realize your social issues only stand a chance of getting addressed with a Republican.

Yeah I have considered that, and I don't believe any of those candidates would be as.. fortunate or as good as bush at picking Supreme Court nominees.

 

[Lerxst]

The only chance of getting two conservative Supreme Court judges appointed next rests on there being a Republican president. You want to protest the menu go right ahead, but if you want to see Roe v Wade, gay marriage, kids educated on homosexual anal and oral sex and given condoms, etc. let a Democrat take office. I suggest you hold your nose and vote Republican. You're also overblowing the situation. Go to this site ww.ontheissues.org, have a stiff drink and realize your social issues only stand a chance of getting addressed with a Republican.

:rofl

Hey, I am with Mr. V. All you Republicans should stay at home and show the party how disappointed you are with the GOP! It's probably gonna be Hillary vs. Huck and Hillary will wipe the floor with him.

 

[MC.no.spin]

:rofl

Hey, I am with Mr. V. All you Republicans should stay at home and show the party how disappointed you are with the GOP! It's probably gonna be Hillary vs. Huck and Hillary will wipe the floor with him.

 

[UtahBill]

dammit, this is date night, and now junior has been traumatized !!!

 

[Lerxst]

About as much as I would trust Mike Huckabee or John McCain.