The government has opened a sleeping giant.....the ramifications of Walker's refusal to negotiate and to dictatorally push this corporatist agenda is going to be widespread.
Wisconsin is also a neighbor to Michigan they are not the kind of people to lay down that includes teachers and friends and family of teachers.
monopoly status?...that's a good one. What you are really saying is that government should have complete control and the workers should have no representation.
So much for that small government you guys love to claim you love.
we are all friends and familly of teachers, but that doesn't make us support the monopoly status of public unions in Wisconsin.
yes monoploy status. everyone that wants a certain job is forced to join. it's the worst kind of monopoly, the kind created by government force, not free choice.
anybody living in the midwest would disagree. I'm in northwestern Illinois, but I can see Wisconsin from my backyard. I sense a majority that sides with the governor.
Tuesday, March 1, 2011
Wisconsin closely divided, but against Walker
There are two conclusions we can make from our poll on the Wisconsin conflict: the state is very closely divided, but it leans slightly to the union side of things rather than Scott Walker's on pretty much every question we asked.
On the biggest picture question: do you side with Governor Walker or do you side with the public employee unions 51% of voters in the state go with the unions to 47% who stand with the Governor. On another broad question: do you side more with Governor Walker or with the Democrats in the state Senate, 52% of voters go with the Senate Democrats to 47% who go for Walker. And perhaps the clearest indication that Walker has lost a majority of the voters in the state in this conflict, if only a narrow majority, is that 52% of voters now disapprove of him to only 46% who like the job he's doing. Those numbers are basically the inverse of last fall's election results.
When it comes to broader questions about rights for public employees in Wisconsin the margins are less narrow. 57% of voters think that workers should have the right to collectively bargain for wages, benefits, and working environment rules compared to only 37% who think they shouldn't have those rights. And 55% of voters think that public employees should have at least the same rights they have now, if not more, compared to only 41% who believe they should have fewer rights.
Key on both of those questions about rights for public employees is that a majority of both union and non-union households stand with the workers on those issues. Union households support collective bargaining by a 70/26 margin, but non-union households do as well by a narrower 51/42 margin. Union households think public employees should have as many or more rights than they do now by a 66/32 spread, but so do non-union households by a 51/45 one.
Ultimately one of the biggest questions moving forward is whether a recall of Scott Walker would be a viable avenue for pro-union supporters. Right now it looks like it would be a 50/50 proposition. 48% of voters say they would support a recall, while 48% are opposed. That issue's about as polarized on party lines as it could possibly be- 87% of Democrats support a recall, 90% of Republicans are opposed, and independents split narrowly in favor of it by a 48/46 spread. With such a closely divided state Walker's fate would very much be determined by who could better turn their troops out- last year Democrats were asleep at the wheel and let Walker get elected but it might be a whole different story if voters in the state got a chance to do it again.
yes monoploy status. everyone that wants a certain job is forced to join. it's the worst kind of monopoly, the kind created by government force, not free choice.
So the government speaks and the workers obey without question????
they don't
the government is we the people. if you don't want to work for the people, nobody is going to force you. find other work. please.
Politics are the worst kind of monoploy.
With lies, deciet, broken promices backroom deals , and no bid contracks.
the government is we the people. if you don't want to work for the people, nobody is going to force you. find other work. please.
the government is we the people. if you don't want to work for the people, nobody is going to force you. find other work. please.
No...what you are really saying is that you want government to have complete control....and that they workers should have no voice. Very anti-american values.
No...what you are really saying is that you want government to have complete control....and that they workers should have no voice. Very anti-american values.
public unions are political. so what's your point?
the employees are agents of the government
it is the representative bodies that form the government
here is a real life - and possibly surprising reality - to demonstrate the difference
the police
they do not work for you
they work for the government
So to summarize, to close the current fiscal period's deficit, they need to refinance the debt by 03/16.
It takes 2-3 weeks to do this...
While the rest of the debt could be refinanced sometime in the future, it won't be in time to close the current deficit.
Now, do they need some longer term solutions? Absolutely. Walker is unveiling his budget today, I think. So, they'll be plenty more for you to yell about shortly.
with all the money your cronies are throwing into the state, you should see a bigger discrepancy.
I'm pretty comfortable with Walkers long term viability.
So, that, "serve and protect", part means, what, exactly?
Police and firemen are public servants. They are paid with tax money. So, yes, they ultimately work for us.
So you agree that privatization is the answer? It allows unions to exist with collective bargaining power, and it ends the corrupt circle of politician pandering to the union, the union giving them money, and the politician giving the wages and benefits once elected? You agree that this is corrupt, correct?
Tim-
key word, "ultimately" work for us
after first going thru the government to see if it is ok to serve your interests
they are not the "government"
they are an agent of the government
nuanced distinction, i admit ... but it IS there
yes, if the government authorizes them to do soIOW, they work for us?
you are quite welcome. any timeThank you for admitting that.
So, that, "serve and protect", part means, what, exactly?
Police and firemen are public servants. They are paid with tax money. So, yes, they ultimately work for us.
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