Lefty
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Can anyone tell me how this leak about warrantless wiretappings hurt national security? I asked this question on another thread, but I didn't get any answers that sufficently answered my question. How does this leak hurt national security?
Rules:
1. Citing other leaks does not prove that national security was hurt by this one. Stay on topic.
2. Citing law that tells me how leaking is illegal is off topic and irrevelent.
3. Saying "the terrorists know we are wiretapping their phones now" is a stupid argument because our ability to wiretap phones has been public knowledge for decades, and president Bush even talked about it in many speeches and campaign tours during the 2004 election campaign.
4. Saying that's it's my fault for not understanding the concept of national security is not an argument.
5. Arguing that terrorists now know the warrant issue will take time and they can exploit it is ridiculous since the court allows you to get a warrant 72 hours after the wiretapping began.
6. Insulting me doesn't prove your point, it just makes you look like an asshole.
7. Insulting the NYT may be fun... but really, it's not proving your point.
8. Saying "loose lips sink ships" might sound nice, but it doesn't prove your point.
9. Saying "isn't it obvious?" also doesn't prove anything. If it's so obvious you should be able to explain it to me.
10. Try not to use wild baseless speculation. I know some of your imaginations could really go wild with this one, but try to keep it realisitc and under control.
11. Try to stay on topic, the :spin: is getting old.
Now let me tell you why I don't think this leak hurt national security. Well, first of all, do you really think the terrorists didn't know we could wiretap phones? It's been public knowledge that we have the abilty to wiretap phones for... at the very least 3 decades. The only thing that we didn't know about in this leak was the government wasn't getting warrants to wiretap suspected terrorists. So I guess the real question becomes. How does knowing we aren't getting warrants help terrorists? It doesn't. It just doesn't.
Rules:
1. Citing other leaks does not prove that national security was hurt by this one. Stay on topic.
2. Citing law that tells me how leaking is illegal is off topic and irrevelent.
3. Saying "the terrorists know we are wiretapping their phones now" is a stupid argument because our ability to wiretap phones has been public knowledge for decades, and president Bush even talked about it in many speeches and campaign tours during the 2004 election campaign.
4. Saying that's it's my fault for not understanding the concept of national security is not an argument.
5. Arguing that terrorists now know the warrant issue will take time and they can exploit it is ridiculous since the court allows you to get a warrant 72 hours after the wiretapping began.
6. Insulting me doesn't prove your point, it just makes you look like an asshole.
7. Insulting the NYT may be fun... but really, it's not proving your point.
8. Saying "loose lips sink ships" might sound nice, but it doesn't prove your point.
9. Saying "isn't it obvious?" also doesn't prove anything. If it's so obvious you should be able to explain it to me.
10. Try not to use wild baseless speculation. I know some of your imaginations could really go wild with this one, but try to keep it realisitc and under control.
11. Try to stay on topic, the :spin: is getting old.
Now let me tell you why I don't think this leak hurt national security. Well, first of all, do you really think the terrorists didn't know we could wiretap phones? It's been public knowledge that we have the abilty to wiretap phones for... at the very least 3 decades. The only thing that we didn't know about in this leak was the government wasn't getting warrants to wiretap suspected terrorists. So I guess the real question becomes. How does knowing we aren't getting warrants help terrorists? It doesn't. It just doesn't.