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William Barr says ‘communities’ that protest cops could lose ‘the police protection they need’

The AG is actively stating citizens could be punished for exercising their 1st amendment rights.

The AG.

Let that sink in. If you dare.

I read the quote from the article, Obscurity, and by all accounts he seems to be saying that if police are denigrated by the communities they police, then it will be hard for such communities to attract willing applicants to fill the ranks of their police forces. As far as I can see, he was not threatening to defund police forces, or stop the investigation of crimes in majority-black communities.

Being unable to attract willing applicants for emergency services is a self-inflicted wound. Not a punishment.
 
If you were a member of a group whose children were hurt by the police at a higher rate than other groups, under similar circumstances, would you have the guts to protest the police?

Or would you just sit back and let the kids in your group be abused?

Just asking to see what kind of person you are.

I'd first determine if police were the issue. Being white, my children and I probably wouldn't be in the group that is abused by the police. I should have no qualms about moving into an area that's considered a haven for police abuse, since the main issue in such neighborhoods is police abuse.

The police would never bother me. What's stopping me from moving to that area, given that the main issue of police abuse wouldn't apply to me?
 
I read the quote from the article, Obscurity, and by all accounts he seems to be saying that if police are denigrated by the communities they police, then it will be hard for such communities to attract willing applicants to fill the ranks of their police forces. As far as I can see, he was not threatening to defund police forces, or stop the investigation of crimes in majority-black communities.

Being unable to attract willing applicants for emergency services is a self-inflicted wound. Not a punishment.

His position has power. Do you seriously contend that him saying these things won't filter down to a call to action for some people?

What good is speech if it cannot impact people?
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/04/william-barr-police-protests-communities-race/



So does that mean that people in communities that, using the most American right of protesting what they don't think is fair, lose police protection or does that mean the entire community, including single moms who are sitting at home minding their own business, lose police protection too.

Remember, Barr is our country's top cop. I'm curious how the top cop in each community now handles his comments.

Yup, nothing quite says GOP like trying to get those to fear government reprisal for the exercise of one's right.
 
People in "tough" neighborhoods need to let the police know how much they are appreciated and supported in their efforts to control the bad guys, who terrorize their neighborhoods and sometimes even terrorize other neighborhoods. People in "tough" neighborhoods have much more to fear from their own bad guys than from the police.

The police lock up one's brother for smoking weed and then expect help from them to solve a real crime.

Meanwhile:

BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Baltimore City State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby said a list of officers with possible integrity issues has ballooned to 305 — more than 10 percent of the force.

Marilyn Mosby Flags 305 Officers For ‘Integrity’ Issues; GTTF Investigation Has No Time, Money Limits – CBS Baltimore
 
So our AG is openly advocating deliberate violation of citizens first amendment rights? Figures.



(Don't try telling me that a government deliberately withholding services from citizens over the content of their political speech isn't a blatant violation of the 1st).

What services was the AG threatening to withhold or implying could be withheld, Mr Person? Because as far as I read, he was commenting on the state of affairs that communities that get into the habit of attacking, denigrating, and disrespecting police officers will have a harder time attracting willing applicants to become police officers for those communities. That seems to be relatively reasonable assertion.
 
What the Hell happened to Barr? Years ago he used to be smart and respectable. Since he's been working for Trump he's nothing but a moron.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/04/william-barr-police-protests-communities-race/



So does that mean that people in communities that, using the most American right of protesting what they don't think is fair, lose police protection or does that mean the entire community, including single moms who are sitting at home minding their own business, lose police protection too.

Remember, Barr is our country's top cop. I'm curious how the top cop in each community now handles his comments.
It's just more proof the Trump administration is moving swiftly toward a more authoritarian police state. The LW anti-gunners will regret their desire to ban guns.

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People in "tough" neighborhoods need to let the police know how much they are appreciated and supported in their efforts to control the bad guys, who terrorize their neighborhoods and sometimes even terrorize other neighborhoods. People in "tough" neighborhoods have much more to fear from their own bad guys than from the police.

Yes the do and the facts support this as well, but if you go into those "tough" neighborhoods the police are not welcome and despised.
it doesn't matter what kind of neighborhood it is either.
 
I'd first determine if police were the issue. Being white, my children and I probably wouldn't be in the group that is abused by the police. I should have no qualms about moving into an area that's considered a haven for police abuse, since the main issue in such neighborhoods is police abuse.

The police would never bother me. What's stopping me from moving to that area, given that the main issue of police abuse wouldn't apply to me?

So is that a yes or a no regarding protesting the police if they were hurting members of your group, especially kids?

Again, just trying to figure out if you would stand up for your group and its kids or not.
 
Protesting the police means you're likely in a high crime area. I'd protest the high crime, then maybe the police wouldn't be involved.

What if the police are the ones committing the crimes?
 
Completely true, Mastor Debator. But what, if anything, is the present incentive for applying to becoming a police officer assigned to a largely black community now?

"Come police our crime-riven community. We completely distrust you and hate you, and very few of us will cooperate with you. You better not f*ck it up."

Would you be quick to apply for a dangerous job in an environment where you are openly hated?

honestly it wouldn't matter what community, white, black , hispanic, asian.
 
See, I give Trump and current day Republicans credit for knowing, wink wink, exactly what to say. This is slick stuff.
 
The police lock up one's brother for smoking weed and then expect help from them to solve a real crime.

Meanwhile:



Marilyn Mosby Flags 305 Officers For ‘Integrity’ Issues; GTTF Investigation Has No Time, Money Limits – CBS Baltimore


I have no doubt that there are many cops with "integrity issues."

I also have no doubt it must be hell being a cop in a city like Baltimore, where many young gentlemen are defiant and even violent toward the cops.

If the cops have "integrity issues," then so do the young gentlemen (and ladies) whom they come in contact with.

The situation is horrible, and I admit that I have no idea on how to improve it. Quite frankly, maybe there is no answer.
 
Dude. You already said it.

And thank you for doing so.

That there is a great deal of crime in largely black communities, many of which have an inordinate level of distrust for the municipal police in aiding them to combat the crime due to decades of mismanagement, under-policing, racism and corruption? You are welcome, I suppose. But what is your proposal to better the situation, if any?
 
I think Barr is referring to the communities where no one in their right mind calls the cops anyway.
 
So is that a yes or a no regarding protesting the police if they were hurting members of your group, especially kids?

Again, just trying to figure out if you would stand up for your group and its kids or not.

The short answer is no, given the context of high police presence in a high crime area. This can be likened to flies (police) attracted to a pile of crap (high crime). A fly happens to land on my son, but my son is standing in and around the pile of crap. Protesting the flies isn't going to do much good.
 
What if the police are the ones committing the crimes?

If police are committing the crimes, and I'm immune from those crimes because I'm white, then I would consider Baltimore a safe place for my family.
 
The short answer is no, given the context of high police presence in a high crime area. This can be likened to flies (police) attracted to a pile of crap (high crime). A fly happens to land on my son, but my son is standing in and around the pile of crap. Protesting the flies isn't going to do much good.

This poster now proves what I've been saying for decades. There's a whole bunch of parents who would not have the courage to stand up for their kids if they were hurt at a higher right by the police.

I want to thank this poster for telling the truth.
 
If police are committing the crimes, and I'm immune from those crimes because I'm white, then I would consider Baltimore a safe place for my family.

Making you complicit with criminals. That sounds about right.
 
So our AG is openly advocating deliberate violation of citizens first amendment rights? Figures.

(Don't try telling me that a government deliberately withholding services from citizens over the content of their political speech isn't a blatant violation of the 1st).

What services was the AG threatening to withhold or implying could be withheld, Mr Person?

Seriously? Ok.

Where did I say that Barr was threatening to withhold them himself? I didn't.



Because as far as I read, he was commenting on the state of affairs that communities that get into the habit of attacking, denigrating, and disrespecting police officers will have a harder time attracting willing applicants to become police officers for those communities. That seems to be relatively reasonable assertion.

Where did the AG refer to applicants, Felis Leo? Two can play that silly semantic game. But we both know there are quite a few ways to say the same thing in one language, multiple words each having shared meanings. "Show me where it says" is a particularly silly game to play.

Here's what Barr did say:

"Today, the American people have to focus on something else, which is the sacrifice and the service that is given by our law enforcement officers. And they have to start showing, more than they do, the respect and support that law enforcement deserves . . . if communities don’t give that support and respect, they might find themselves without the police protection they need."



I've been paying attention to the police protests, to the entire context of citizen-police relations in this country; I also have a bit of a professional in, since I do criminal appeals/post-conviction stuff. He said nothing about people not wanting to apply to be police officers. What he did say is that if communities don't "support" and "respect" police officers, "they might find themselves without the police protection they need." You cannot claim that's about people not applying to become cops without supplying a couple sentences.

It's an implied or suggested (again, the specific word doesn't matter) threat and it doesn't have to be one he himself would order carried out: stop protesting all these police shootings and show more respect, or they won't protect you. And guess what: there have been incidences of various places that had seen protests reducing law enforcement in the areas. Patrols down, arrests down, the cops just stopped bothering. I think it was in particular the city the Brown shooting happened in but I'm not 100% on that, but then the precise city doesn't matter either.

The connection to the 1st should be an obvious. The cause, according to him, is a lack of "support" and "respect." The effect, he suggests, is "[communities] might find themselves without the police protection they need." If that's not adverse action against a group based on the content of their speech, I don't know what is.





It's clear what he's talking about and what he's suggesting, even if he isn't threatening to do it himself. Let's not bend over backwards to rejigger the words he actually said into some completely innocent rumination on people applying to become police officers, whatever the reason....

This is something nobody in any part of law enforcement has any business saying. They need to do their jobs no matter what level of "respect" they get (and you may recall that you're perfectly within your rights to call a cop a "son of a bitch").
 
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It's not an implied threat, omg:roll:
Communities are hurting themselves. Let's see, shall we? They drive police out by assaulting them. The Ferguson Effect. And Barr is right-- departments can't fills spots.
So does that make Barr right? You bet yer ass it does.
 
Gang violence isn't the topic here, but if its so important to you, yes I 100% condemn gang violence. Now that we are over that little attempt at a distraction, yes, the shooting was completely avoidable with better training for the police and better procedures.

The 6 Decisions That Could Have Saved Trayvon Martin's Life | HuffPost

Hindsight is 20/20, none of which helps Trayvon now. Then again, police usually don't have much of a luxury to choose, or decide action. When someone doesn't put down the gun and it has cost lives before.

Trayvon made his own mistakes in this instance and it's done.

His case is in no way indicative of how the police of the entire country would operate.
 
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