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Will you respect the findings of the FBI report?

Will you respect the findings of the FBI report?


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Okay, so let me tabulate this:

1. You support him using his power on the Supreme Court to get even with his political enemies.
2. You're fine if Kavanaugh actually did attempt to commit sexual assault.
3. You're fine if he lies about it.

Remind me again: why should we take anything you say seriously?

do you not get its juvenile delinquency at worst

you are fine if democrats fixate on irrelevant nonsense and play games with the lives of people and ignore standards of decency and burdens of proof just because they are mad they lost an election they tried every way to steal
 
Yup. I thought not.

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new dem strategy-slander the man, threaten his family, engage in dirty tricks and then claim he cannot be objective towards the people who slandered him etc
 
You asked me where the ABA was questioning him. I showed you. You refuse to accept it.

Not my ****ing problem, dude.

I'm finished here.

What is the REAL reason you don't want Kavanaugh confirmed?

It certainly isn't a decade plus old issue with the ABA. An issue (if you actually read the article was no longer an issue) that is not relevant no did you even know about it until now.
 
Yup. I thought not.

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...because everything I saw about his behavior on Thursday disqualified him. To whit (and as I already said yesterday):

"I think we all know the prospects of a female nominee if, during her hearings, she screamed, cried, had a credible accusation of sexual assault levied against her, refused to agree to an investigation into that assault, stated that she liked beer over and over again, lied, claimed that the hearing was a revenge conspiracy, stated that "what goes around comes around" and shouted questions back at the Senators their own questions.

In spite of all this behavior, Republicans have determined that Kavanaugh's character makes him eminently qualified to sit on the highest bench in the country for life."
 
But you're okay with lying about it.

I am asking why the act itself matters

I will tell you why since I doubt you will own up to what is going on


You hate Trump along with tons of people. Most of you have a hard time articulating your real reasons but its reaching epic proportions in terms of dishonesty and facades. You look to beat Trump at any issue and stopping Kavanaugh is your latest jihad. You know you cannot argue against his credentials, and your constant squeals about his "bias" is bogus. SO you jump on this last second revelation of what is , at worst, a minor league act of juvenile delinquency which has no supporting witnesses and then claim he lied about it even though you have not been able to find anyone to back her up
 
What is the REAL reason you don't want Kavanaugh confirmed?

Wait, you assume that Superfly's concerns with Kavanaugh have nothing to do with the risk of putting a sexual predator onto the Supreme Court? That is some very fine gaslighting, Fleder! Must be some of the finest gas in all the land in your lamp!
 
Wait, you assume that Superfly's concerns with Kavanaugh have nothing to do with the risk of putting a sexual predator onto the Supreme Court? That is some very fine gaslighting, Fleder! Must be some of the finest gas in all the land in your lamp!

that's bs given He's been in the public eye for 30+ years now and there is evidence of any issues. SO stop the stupid lies that he's a "Sexual predator".
 
Is lying about it acceptable? Yes or no?

depends and I don't believe he lied. You all lie all the time on this board. is that acceptable. You lie about why you oppose Kavanaugh. You all lie about Trump supporters.
 
Oh, you are one of "those people" who swear they don't have a TV. :lol: OK.

If you will go back and read, you will see that I stated that I do have a TV. It is currently unplugged and under a blanked. It's the TV we had before we PCS'd to Okinawa, and we left it with my mother in law. We liked not having a TV in Oki, and so stayed that way when we got back, but recently went and picked it back up because we are thinking about getting the kids a Wii for Christmas.


And what charge have I failed to address?

The point that if exhibiting powerful emotion in the seat when discussing an emotionally powerful event or series of events in your life is disqualifying, then it is disqualifying for all who do so, not just the people on the other political side of the aisle from you.

The fact that your nominee perjured himself on the stand?

I have not seen that fact. I have seen people make that assessment, but I have not seen anyone able to actually demonstrate it.

That your nominee might possibly not only be disbarred, but have charges brought against him? You might have missed it earlier - not sure if it was in this thread, or another - the Democrats are not finished here. There are even more people now coming forward who went to high school and college with Kavanaugh, who said that he blatantly lied on the stand about his behavior, among other things.

Ah. Is this going to be more of the breathless "He said on the stand that sometimes he drank to excess, but did you know he sometimes drank to excess!?!?!?!" style "debunking" we've seen lately?

Here are the factual data points that Kavanaugh stuck to on the stand, that would need to be disproven to show that he was incorrect, and then disproven to the point that he knew he was incorrect when he said it for it to be shown to be perjury (this, incidentally, is the same standard as that applied to Dr Ford, and that is why the likelihood that she is wrong does not make her a liar):

1. I never sexually assaulted anyone.
2. I never drank to the point where I blacked out and had no memory of what I had done the night before.
3. I kept contemporaneous records of my activities while in high school.


Might want to either uncover that TV, or get a better balanced news source.

:) I actually bother to get news sources from both ideological sides. I get a dead-tree newsweekly from what I like to think of as the sane-right side of the aisle, and one from the sane-left side of the aisle. I have two basic online sources on my phone that I check first thing in the morning - one a left wing media source, one a right-wing media source. I am willing (and have proven myself willing) to stand against my own side when I think they are wrong - including on emotional topics. I spent a year and a half arguing against the GOP nominee for President, weeks arguing that Judge Moore was very likely guilty of what he was being accused of, and called for an FBI investigation into this whole mess before the hearings took place.

What can you point to that is comparable? When have you ever stood athwart your political tribe, regardless of whether you lost friends, and told the people you agree with that they were not only wrong on a highly charged issue, but incredibly so? You come across as a genuinely good person, and generally I like you, but I cannot off the top of my head think of such a time.


I expect no answer to that question. Tribalism is a helluva drug, and most folks don't want to look too closely at it, unless it's the dishonest, half-hearted use of it solely to bash the other side. :(



How many have come forward to say that Christine Blasey Ford was lying?

Well, let's see. Thus far, every single person she claimed was a witness has contradicted her account, including Kavanaugh's friends and her own. So.... 100%?



I mean, with the exception of the right

Interesting. So does this mean you are willing to accept as a standard of evidence that charges laid against someone by an individual who opposes them politically are less credible?
 
depends and I don't believe he lied.

That makes no sense. If you accept the hypothetical scenario that the FBI finds sufficient evidence to confirm Ford's accusation...and if you state clearly that you don't mind if he attempted to commit sexual assault regardless, then you have to address that Kavanaugh repeatedly gave a blanket denial of the attempted assault. And if you accept that he attempted sexual assault, then you have to accept that his denial is a lie.

So again: is his lie acceptable to you or not?
 
...because everything I saw about his behavior on Thursday disqualified him.

:lol: you know, you really shouldn't make those arguments when we can go back in time before Thursday, and see that clearly what happened Thursday didn't change your mind a whit :)

To whit (and as I already said yesterday):

I think we all know the prospects of a female nominee if, during her hearings, she screamed, cried, had a credible accusation of sexual assault levied against her, refused to agree to an investigation into that assault, stated that she liked beer over and over again, lied, claimed that the hearing was a revenge conspiracy, stated that "what goes around comes around" and shouted questions back at the Senators their own questions.

Yeah, I think we do. People of her political tribe would support her and accuse the other tribe of abusing women, and people of the other political tribe would attack her.

Precisely as is happening now, except it's cool to attack men, so... :shrug:

In spite of all this behavior, Republicans have determined that Kavanaugh's character makes him eminently qualified to sit on the highest bench in the country for life."

And decades worth of credible sources from the Left and the Right submitted prior to this entire, disgusting, sordid circus support that assessment :)

Of course, I suppose it's possible Elena Kagan has horrific judgment. Maybe we should make sure she isn't anywhere near power.
 
that's bs given He's been in the public eye for 30+ years now and there is evidence of any issues. SO stop the stupid lies that he's a "Sexual predator".

Stop with the grammar obfuscation smokescreen, Turtle. You're defending blatant gaslighting, which is a big part of the problem of how this whole case is going down.
 
Stop with the grammar obfuscation smokescreen, Turtle. You're defending blatant gaslighting, which is a big part of the problem of how this whole case is going down.

you defending slander, defamation and dirty tricks. That is the big problem here

the dems are desperate scumbags. they realize he did well in the original hearing. That's why ScumSwine waited to drop this F bomb on Kavanaugh and screw things up
 
:lol: you know, you really shouldn't make those arguments when we can go back in time before Thursday, and see that clearly what happened Thursday didn't change your mind a whit :)

To whit (and as I already said yesterday):



Yeah, I think we do. People of her political tribe would support her and accuse the other tribe of abusing women, and people of the other political tribe would attack her.

Precisely as is happening now, except it's cool to attack men, so... :shrug:



And decades worth of credible sources from the Left and the Right submitted prior to this entire, disgusting, sordid circus support that assessment :)

Of course, I suppose it's possible Elena Kagan has horrific judgment. Maybe we should make sure she isn't anywhere near power.

What about the following is inaccurate?

"...screamed, cried, had a credible accusation of sexual assault levied against her, refused to agree to an investigation into that assault, stated that she liked beer over and over again, lied, claimed that the hearing was a revenge conspiracy, stated that "what goes around comes around" and shouted questions back at the Senators their own questions."
 
you defending slander, defamation and dirty tricks. That is the big problem here

Whatever. You're trying to play grammar tricks in order to turn our heads away from the gaslighting that I pointed out earlier. That ruse isn't going to work any more.
 
Whatever. You're trying to play grammar tricks in order to turn our heads away from the gaslighting that I pointed out earlier. That ruse isn't going to work any more.

you pretend that your anti Kavanaugh position is based on these latest revelations. we know its not-its TDS that is inspiring this
 
What about the following is inaccurate?

"...screamed, cried, had a credible accusation of sexual assault levied against her, refused to agree to an investigation into that assault, stated that she liked beer over and over again, lied, claimed that the hearing was a revenge conspiracy, stated that "what goes around comes around" and shouted questions back at the Senators their own questions."

If by that you mean "what about the following would be inaccurate to apply to kavanaugh, then it would be

1. Screamed.
2. Shouted questions back at the senators their own questions (he instead, snidely asked it the senator the same question she asked him - which, the fact that this is considered rude and invasive sort of indicates how maybe we ought to think about the original set of questions, but no one will do that, because it takes them places they don't want to think about. Anywho, he then publicly apologized for it, which was the right thing to do. I notice none of the Senators apologized for their treatment of him, which was the wrong thing to do).

but, of course, you ignored my response to your question, which was:

Cardinal said:
think we all know the prospects of a female nominee if....
cpwill said:
Yeah, I think we do. People of her political tribe would support her and accuse the other tribe of abusing women, and people of the other political tribe would attack her.

Precisely as is happening now, except it's cool to attack men, so...
 
If by that you mean "what about the following would be inaccurate to apply to kavanaugh, then it would be

1. Screamed.
2. Shouted questions back at the senators their own questions (he instead, snidely asked it the senator the same question she asked him - which, the fact that this is considered rude and invasive sort of indicates how maybe we ought to think about the original set of questions, but no one will do that, because it takes them places they don't want to think about. Anywho, he then publicly apologized for it, which was the right thing to do. I notice none of the Senators apologized for their treatment of him, which was the wrong thing to do).

Don't forget "lied." I noticed you left that out. He did a ton of that. So you think all of of that is becoming of a Supreme Court Justice?
 
Don't forget "lied." I noticed you left that out. He did a ton of that. So you think all of of that is becoming of a Supreme Court Justice?

what lies can you prove-did she lie during her Erica Jong episodes
 
what lies can you prove-did she lie during her Erica Jong episodes

Hold on, not so fast, turtle. You still have yet to answer the question: if sufficient evidence comes out to support Ford's accusation, is it okay that Kavanaugh lied about it?"
 
This is really the question, Democrats are infamous when it comes to ignoring facts. For instance, almost all the democrats said they would oppose any SCOTUS that Trump nominated. They have convicted Kavanaugh without trail and without facts.
 
What is the REAL reason you don't want Kavanaugh confirmed?

It certainly isn't a decade plus old issue with the ABA. An issue (if you actually read the article was no longer an issue) that is not relevant no did you even know about it until now.

Well, you asked for information on where the ABA was looking into things. I showed you. Not only is the issue a decade old, they still seem to have issue with him and his behavior. Otherwise, they wouldn't have requested the FBI look into him.

Secondly - the real reason I don't want him confirmed? Let's just stop for a second, and take the entire Dr. Ford debacle off the table.

He is an angry hothead who can't control his temper. He doesn't have the judicial temperament to be on the Supreme Court. He is also extremely partisan, which also came out during his testimony. He is also a liar, as people from his past keep coming forward, disputing his memory of the events.

Hothead + partisan + liar = bad for the Supreme Court.
 
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