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Will the right wing blame game work this time?

Moderate Right said:
I realize you've only got 159 posts, which means you probably don't have the time to read many posts either, but the site is saturated with the left blaming Reagan and GWB for many things (not even mentioning Trump), particularly income inequality. Of course you want to claim that your side doesn't have any screwups so that the only screwups are traced back to Republicans.
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The 2 GWB screw ups were the war in Iraq and the collapse in the banking system. The banking collapse wasn't actually his fault. That was a long time coming, the result of the deregulation of the industry under Clinton. It just went south under W's watch. You may not agree with the money spent on the stimulus package and the auto industry bailout, but I think they saved us from a 30's style depression. I consider the great recession a bi-partisan screw up.

The Iraq was all W's fault as far as I'm concerned.
 
ocean515 said:
Well, if that's your take, the Democrats are the ones refusing to fix the car.

Again, I think it's pathetic the Republicans have been unable to pass something so far. How that means they own the Democrats ACA remains a mystery to me.
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Democrats have so far been locked out of the garage.
 
JamesBY said:
The dems are wrong if they think program does not need fixing. That is as bad as those who say we need no program at all.
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Democrats don't say that it doesn't need fixing. They actually want to fix it. They say it doesn't need repealing.
 
Mac77 said:
You don't sound very indepedent to me

More like a liberal who is ashamed to admit you are a democrat

ObamaCare is unfixable

It was designed to fail and pave the way for total socialized medicine

So republican congress attemts to have it both ways cannot succeed no matter what they try to do
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You are mistaken sir I am Independent .
I have said this once and will repeat it both the Democratic party and the Republican party are at fault for the problems of America today.

I find it odd that when I question Democrats on their mistakes I am called a Republican or faciest
When I question the Republicans I am called a Democrat or a socialist .
Yet neither addresses the question or any real answers.
Was Obamacare or as I like to call it "Insurance ad" designed to fail , maybe or maybe like the cellphone just needed to be upgraded from time to time I can not answer that, but since this plan did go through channels to become a health care plan good or bad it is what it is.
However the Republicans have tried twice to replace this with a better bill with a majority of Republicans in power in Government and they FAILED both times, and now they are looking for some one to blame because Republicans like Democrats hate interrogative sentences like these WHAT WENT WRONG? WHY WILL THERE BE 24 MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT THIS HEALTHCARE IN THE FUTURE ?, WHY IS MEDICADE GETTING CUT? WHY ARE GIVING THE INSURANCE COMPANIES 318 MILLION DOLLARS.??:peace
 
JamesBY said:
You sound just like a farino, indeed: it is all the left's fault.

We need to fix this problem. Forget the Dems, who are not going to help at all.

What do you propose?
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There wouldn't be something to fix if Democrats hadn't rammed through a partisan plan that needed fixing in the first place. It is the Democrat's fault for not going bipartisan in the first place. But, I'm glad you acknowledge that Obamacare is such a disaster that it needs fixing.
 
bearpoker said:
The 2 GWB screw ups were the war in Iraq and the collapse in the banking system. The banking collapse wasn't actually his fault. That was a long time coming, the result of the deregulation of the industry under Clinton. It just went south under W's watch. You may not agree with the money spent on the stimulus package and the auto industry bailout, but I think they saved us from a 30's style depression. I consider the great recession a bi-partisan screw up.

The Iraq was all W's fault as far as I'm concerned.
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I don't really disagree with any of that. At least you are not a rabid partisan.
 
Moderate Right said:
There wouldn't be something to fix if Democrats hadn't rammed through a partisan plan that needed fixing in the first place. It is the Democrat's fault for not going bipartisan in the first place. But, I'm glad you acknowledge that Obamacare is such a disaster that it needs fixing.
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Yea, there would have been. Healthcare was a mess before Obamacare. ACA is far from perfect, but it's better that what we had before.
 
presluc said:
That's not what I posted, I suggest you read the OP again.
Does it not state that the Democratic party is a weak ass party?
However when a political party has a Republican white house and control the majority of Congress, How can a Republican president say it's the Democrats fault.
If you are looking for a partisan political debate , you got the wrong poster. In my opinion both Democrats and Republicans have come up short in leadership. Can you say the same, or are you going to keep walking the party line never questioning the political party you choose to be with even when they make mistakes? I question politicians when they make mistakes doesn't matter if they are Republican or Democrat.. Blaming the Democrats when the Republicans control a majority of congress and the White House is a mistake made in today's present:peace
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I'm no republican. I just thing it's pretty gold-fish-like to forget the Democrats constantly blaming Republicans for "obstructionism" while they had even greater majorities in both chambers and the Presidency.

Does nobody here remember 2008? 2010? 2012? The Party Of No?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
I'm no republican. I just thing it's pretty gold-fish-like to forget the Democrats constantly blaming Republicans for "obstructionism" while they had even greater majorities in both chambers and the Presidency.

Does nobody here remember 2008? 2010? 2012? The Party Of No?
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The Democrats only had those majorities for the first 2 years. During that time, they passed Obamacare and had no problems passing legislation. Then they got slaughtered in the 2010 elections and lost the house and senate both. They later regained the Senate, but never had a veto proof majority. That's when we got the Party of No and McConnell's very effective 6 year campaign of obstruction.
 
presluc said:
You are mistaken sir I am Independent .
I have said this once and will repeat it both the Democratic party and the Republican party are at fault for the problems of America today.

I find it odd that when I question Democrats on their mistakes I am called a Republican or faciest
When I question the Republicans I am called a Democrat or a socialist .
Yet neither addresses the question or any real answers.
Was Obamacare or as I like to call it "Insurance ad" designed to fail , maybe or maybe like the cellphone just needed to be upgraded from time to time I can not answer that, but since this plan did go through channels to become a health care plan good or bad it is what it is.
However the Republicans have tried twice to replace this with a better bill with a majority of Republicans in power in Government and they FAILED both times, and now they are looking for some one to blame because Republicans like Democrats hate interrogative sentences like these WHAT WENT WRONG? WHY WILL THERE BE 24 MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT THIS HEALTHCARE IN THE FUTURE ?, WHY IS MEDICADE GETTING CUT? WHY ARE GIVING THE INSURANCE COMPANIES 318 MILLION DOLLARS.??:peace
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Ok, I see you are one of the political fence sitters who can't choose either party so you just sit around and complain all the time

Good for you
 
Mac77 said:
Ok, I see you are one of the political fence sitters who can't choose either party so you just sit around and complain all the time

Good for you
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Are you always so annoyed when people think for themselves?
 
presluc said:
Excuse me there you seem to think this is a partisan political thread perhaps to some ,but not to me.
As for the Democrats Obamacare plan or what I called it "INSURANCE AD" IT WASN'T A GOOD PLAN.
However that is not what this thread is about the Republicans bashed this plan since it first came out but it limped along.
The Republicans said if only we had a majority of the House and the Senate, and a Republican president we would have a better health care plan. ON HIS CAMPAIGN TRUMP SAID WE WILL REPEAL OBAMACARE AND SUBMIT A GOOD AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE PLAN.
Health care plan submitted by Republicans , failed , second ,improved Affordable Healthcare act submitted by the Republicans FAILED.

So this was a campaign promise made to the American people who owns that???
If the Democrats can pass a crappy law without the Republicans help.
Why can't the Republicans pass this" so called good law" with the Republicans help???:peace
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I was answering this question: "I ask this question, How can it be the Democrats fault, since the Democrats are a weak ass party?" Weak ass Party or not, they could certainly propose fixes to Obamacare...and they would have the Mainstream Media on their side.

Anyway, the reality is...Trump can promise whatever he wants, but for some of it he needs the Republicans in Congress to step up and pass needed legislation. Trump wasn't aware, before he was inaugurated, that the GOP Congress has zero intention of passing any legislation that he needs or wants. So, it's not that the Republican "can't"...it is that they "won't".

Now...if the Democrats would be so good enough to propose serious legislation that the Republicans would have a hard time opposing, THAT could change the dynamic and something could be done about Obamacare failing. Unfortunately, the Democrat...like the Republicans...have zero intention of passing any legislation that Trump needs or want.

If it weren't for so many people facing extreme hardship at the hands of Congress, this divided government...Congress vs President...could be considered a good thing.
 
Moderate Right said:
There wouldn't be something to fix if Democrats hadn't rammed through a partisan plan that needed fixing in the first place. It is the Democrat's fault for not going bipartisan in the first place. But, I'm glad you acknowledge that Obamacare is such a disaster that it needs fixing.
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Our GOP offered 100 amendments in 61 meetings. Stay with the truth.
 
bearpoker said:
When I assumed you were younger than me, I was cutting you slack. Most people my age have better manners and more sense then you've exhibited here. Before Obamacare was introduced, insurance rates for people over 50 were sky-high and increasing rapidly. Although they still went up with Obamacare the increase hasn't been as fast and people with low incomes get help with the costs of premiums.
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Sorry, but the condition of premiums before Obamacare was the direct result of previous government interference in the health insurance industry...at all levels of government. Obamacare simply ratcheted it up a notch. When I said we would all be better off if they had just kept their nose out of things, I wasn't just talking about Obamacare.

I would be foolish to trade the government insurance I have for anything on the open market. The reason the Republican plans collapsed the way they did is because people recognized the harm they would do and told their Senators in town hall meetings how they felt about it.
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As I said, your personal life issues is of no interest.

However, you are totally wrong about why the Congressional GOP haven't dealt with Obamacare. It's not that people don't like how they are dealing with it...it's that Congress...both GOP and Democrats...don't want to, have no intention to...and won't...deal with Obamacare.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Really? The right wing blame game?

The left couldn't pass what they really wanted with their supermajority, and that was the Republican's dastardly doing....

And the Democrats can't figure out the simple trick they used? And they're supposed to be the smart ones?
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The Dems were smart enough to pull the team together to pass ACA. How is that repeal going? Bwahaha
 
bearpoker said:
The Democrats only had those majorities for the first 2 years. During that time, they passed Obamacare and had no problems passing legislation. Then they got slaughtered in the 2010 elections and lost the house and senate both. They later regained the Senate, but never had a veto proof majority. That's when we got the Party of No and McConnell's very effective 6 year campaign of obstruction.
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Just a small, but not minor, correction about the 2010 Senate election.

Despite Republican gains, the Democrats retained a majority of the Senate with 51 seats plus 2 independents who caucused with them, compared to a total of 47 Republican-held seats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2010
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Mycroft said:
Sorry, but the condition of premiums before Obamacare was the direct result of previous government interference in the health insurance industry...at all levels of government. Obamacare simply ratcheted it up a notch. When I said we would all be better off if they had just kept their nose out of things, I wasn't just talking about Obamacare.



As I said, your personal life issues is of no interest.

However, you are totally wrong about why the Congressional GOP haven't dealt with Obamacare. It's not that people don't like how they are dealing with it...it's that Congress...both GOP and Democrats...don't want to, have no intention to...and won't...deal with Obamacare.
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The fact that people benefit from health insurance is not of interest to you? Odd, but not surprising.
 
Mycroft said:
Just a small, but not minor, correction about the 2010 Senate election.
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In the Senate a non filibuster proof majority can be, and was, obstructed by the minority.
 
bearpoker said:
The fact that people benefit from health insurance is not of interest to you? Odd, but not surprising.
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Please don't try to put words in my mouth. When you do, you just make yourself into an inferior conversationalist.

I didn't say that the fact that people benefit from health insurance is not of interest to me. I said "your personal life issues is of no interest."
 
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