Will the Debates really change your mind?

[rsixing]

You're obviously just basing this statement on your wish for it to be true.

Personally I think jfuh's assessment is very accurate. McCain is confident to a fault if everything is to his advantage but he looses his composure when he is out of his comfort zone and defaults to his tantrums.

Concerning this Palin lady I am very much looking forward to her debate with Biden. Clearly given her very few poor performances with the media who asked her pointed questions and did not give her a pass (something the right wanted her to receive and now the right is bitching about media unfairness to this Palin lady) she will, again, have the opportunity to fall flat in front of all of America.

 

[Gabby]

Personally I think jfuh's assessment is very accurate. McCain is confident to a fault if everything is to his advantage but he looses his composure when he is out of his comfort zone and defaults to his tantrums.

Concerning this Palin lady I am very much looking forward to her debate with Biden. Clearly given her very few poor performances with the media who asked her pointed questions and did not give her a pass (something the right wanted her to receive and now the right is bitching about media unfairness to this Palin lady) she will, again, have the opportunity to fall flat in front of all of America.

I'll be curious to see if McCain has a tantrum at the debates, assuming they ever have one. :doh But Obama frequently looks like he's out of his comfort zone as well....uh....uh....uh and with no teleprompter I'm not sure he will be impressive.

Is the Palin commentary something you see in real life around you? I'm seeing both. I see both sides saying she sucks and both sides saying she's being harrassed. IMO, I think Biden will have to be careful to not look like he's ripping a woman to shreds. Not fair, in reality, but probably true to some extent. Look at all the bashing of Charles Gibson, for example. I haven't seen quite the same reactions to the Katie Couric interview. Man vs. woman is an interesting dynamic in terms of people's perceptions.

 

[StandUpChuck]

I think he has already done this during session once.

No, that was an ad on MSNBC paid for by Brave New PAC and Democracy for America, a political group headed by Howard Dean's brother James.

 

[Lerxst]

No, that was an ad on MSNBC paid for by Brave New PAC and Democracy for America, a political group headed by Howard Dean's brother James.

Oh...well then it must be true.

Poop pants.

:shock:

:mrgreen:

 

[Sir Loin]

Can we all just take a minute to pause and look at the statistics in that graphic?

In the entire history of presidential debates, the candidate who swayed the most voters in the period from the first debate to the last was none other than GWB.

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I think that has as much do to with John Kerry’s wooden act which IMO turned into immolation as anything else. Before reading that chart I would have laughed you out of here and pointed to the sigh filled Bush/Gore debate as the one that you were speaking about, not Kerry. Had no idea.

McCain himself is not afraid to debate Obama on anything that he sees himself as strong on. He is terrified amidst the current financial crisis to further make a fool of himself of saying the economy is strong.

I doubt anything much terrifies McCain, he has known real terror after all. But the debate tomorrow night is on foreign policy, not economic policy. That one is the next one and thus can’t be the debate some are claiming McCain is cared to take part in. In fact according to the polls most folks consider that his strong suit over Obama, and Obama strong on economy. Which for the life of me makes no sense at all. Unless you maybe factor in the Keating 5 mess you thought was not being reported and thus not a factor.:?: Added with the political hey points milked from McCain's "economy" gaffes.

 

[RightinNYC]

You can't give credit to GWB on that. It was Kerry, who flip flopped, was wooden, and gave answers that were complicated, that gave the victory to Bush. Ask Kerry what time it was, and he would tell you how to build a damn clock. And Gore in 2000? Wooden, and got caught in a lie about going to Iowa to help people in the flood there, when he never did.

I think that has as much do to with John Kerry’s wooden act which IMO turned into immolation as anything else. Before reading that chart I would have laughed you out of here and pointed to the sigh filled Bush/Gore debate as the one that you were speaking about, not Kerry. Had no idea.

It actually was the Gore election - in 2000, Bush was down by 8 points before the first debate. He was up by 4 after the last one. That's a 12 point swing, presumably inspired by GWB's brilliant debate technique.:lol:

 

[rsixing]

I'll be curious to see if McCain has a tantrum at the debates, assuming they ever have one. :doh But Obama frequently looks like he's out of his comfort zone as well....uh....uh....uh and with no teleprompter I'm not sure he will be impressive.

Is the Palin commentary something you see in real life around you? I'm seeing both. I see both sides saying she sucks and both sides saying she's being harrassed. IMO, I think Biden will have to be careful to not look like he's ripping a woman to shreds. Not fair, in reality, but probably true to some extent. Look at all the bashing of Charles Gibson, for example. I haven't seen quite the same reactions to the Katie Couric interview. Man vs. woman is an interesting dynamic in terms of people's perceptions.

It will be very interesting to see how McCain deals with Obama at a debate and if McCain is pressed he will most certainly begin to bubble at the surface and that is body language and facial expressions no one will miss.

Concerning Obama; he does have his uh..uh..uh moments but in the end he still gets his message across and I don't attribute his uh moments to a lack of teleprompters but a habit. If I remember right when I took public speaking in college we were penalized for every uh we used and it seems to me the uh was an oral pause as our brain processed and formulated answers so I don't have issues with that. It's a bad habit for sure but elocution is not my long suit so I'm not going to judge Obama on how many uh's he uses as long as his message is clear. And equally McCain has these uh but more like stammering moments too so no one is exempt. The question is though, is McCain able to get his message across...that's why, like you I'm anxious to see this debate.

Biden. Personally I believe he will be respectful and cordial with this Palin lady but it will be gloves off. He will push the Obama/Biden planks and platforms and will give no quarter to Palin. After all she has freely chosen to enter this political arena and she doesn't deserve treatment beyond the respect one person gives another.

"I am woman hear me roar..." is not a rally-cry for the McCain/Palin campaign. She is clearly being protected from the media for some reason and I can only surmise it is because of her performances up to this point, which IMO are less then average.

I heard a statement on the radio the other day that this protectionism is actually sexism. I guess what was meant was because she is female she needs to be protected from media and those who would call her to task for her positions and as a representative of her parties presidential ticket. I sort of get that feeling from some around here who, like you pointed out, have bashed Gibson, and Couric now, for being "too hard" on this Palin lady.

I think McCain needs to allow her to win or fail with the media. IF she is going to be his VP America is going to need to see how she reacts under pressure, in the eye-of-the-storm with the media, because the media will never go away, particularly if McCain/Palin win the WH.

 

[Panther]

Such as???

"Death to America" or "Kill Whitey" ?

 

[American]

There is no way in hell, unless maybe Obama got up and said "I am really going to deliver this nation to Islam" or "I am truly a Marxist and Communism is my goal." Then, I would put a McCain sign in my yard, swallow hard, and talk about how electrifying the Cuda is and stroke McCain's POW status as a qualifier for the Presidency.

But no more than you or P/N or Navy Pride would embrace Obama, regardless of the way the debate went. In fact if McCain started out dropped to the floor and spun in circles like Curly and then defecated himself after refusing to answer any questions you would get on here and defend his actions as being patriotic and good for the country.

And there you have it.