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Because we don't accept that the current system (before Obamacare) didn't work. It worked for all but a small minority (30-40 million out of 310 million). Why doesn't it bother the left that the vast majority is now having their insurance messed with because of this?
Will RomneyCare on a national scale succeed?
Because we don't accept that the current system (before Obamacare) didn't work. It worked for all but a small minority (30-40 million out of 310 million). Why doesn't it bother the left that the vast majority is now having their insurance messed with because of this?
Considering the majority of us just want 10 McNuggets, some kind of healthcare is gonna be needed!
the fact that 30 to 40 million people don't ahve insurance is unacceptable.
Then YOU and the rest of your liberal buds pay for their insurance. We could add it to the donations available on tax returns. Put your money where your mouth is and insure an uninsured person out of your own paycheck.
You paid for their healthcare under our old system in the least effienct way possible. Why do you want to do that?
No I didn't. The old emergency room healthcare meme is busted when you actually know anything about how hospitals and emergency care work.
Healthcare costs have remained stable for years?
I know we have to do something. I think most people who state they are happy with their healthcare simply are not aware of the way the system operates and they fear change. It amazes me only a slight majority oppose ACA since there is a 24/7 right wing noise machine screaming about anything that does not contribute to the profit of the healthcare system. Few Americans realize what happens to their healtcare costs every year anyway since premiums are taken out of their paychecks, it goes up and up and up, every year all the time. I think Obama has shown something we have not seen for years in this country from the President, leadership. It is obviously not an outrageously popular cause, but it is one this country must do someday.
I think you give the right wing media too much credit. Who listens to talk radio anymore, just the same right wing hearing what they want to hear. Whose minds wouldn’t be changed no matter what. Perhaps we did have to do something, that is to take care of those who were uninsured. But I do not think the ACA was the right way to go. The ACA’s dynamics were written and promises said based on all the changes it, the law, people and companies wouldn’t change their habits, their routines from what they were doing prior to the law being passed.
But people adjust, companies adjust. What made sense for some companies to offer their employees health insurances prior to the law, might not make sense to do so after the law was passed. The additional mandates that health insurance must now offer also drives up the price. You can expect additional coverage of dependents, say from 18 to 26 to be able to stay on their parents insurance not to drive up the premium. Having to cover everyone with pre-existing conditions will also drive up the premiums to those who didn’t have those conditions. There is plenty of other examples, but you get the idea.
The same can be said of taxes the same as premiums. If each of us had to wait until April 15th and then pay one’s full taxes instead of having them taken out each paycheck there would be a massive uprising in the streets over taxation. I agree that most people do not know the difference between gross and net income. Money people do not see is not missed.
I still think a VA style system would have been a better way to take care of the uninsured. Not the whole scale chances brought on with this law. But it is here and I am willing to live with it. There are 5 different doctors the wife and me go to see that are either retiring or going to another country to work. They cite Obamacare for their reason for either retiring or leaving. I never realized how many doctors we have from places like Canada, India and Asia practicing in this country. How many of them will remain? I don’t know and no one else does either. I fear this fight over the ACA will go on and on and on much like the fight over abortion.
As for Obama, I really do not see all that much difference between him and Bush the 2nd. President that I have experienced and was old enough to know what they were doing and their policies that I like and thought of the most were Eisenhower, JFK, Clinton and Reagan. LBJ somewhere in the middle and the rest I would call second or third tier.
Been there, done that, tired of repeating myself.
I think the VA would be a wonderful system for the rest of the nation. I dont disagree with the rest of your points about how it was done, I just know we had to do something.
It will succeed at bringing coverage to tens of millions of people who go without and decrease costs on some who are struggling to make ends meet. Sadly, it will increase costs on others who are also struggling to make ends meet. Those premiums may lower in the long run, but it is difficult to be sure.
I just lost my insurance plan today because of it, AND my premiums went up, AND my deductible DOUBLED!
It has been working for hundreds of millions for decades.
BTW, can you answer the original question that was asked of you: Have you read it?
I just lost my insurance plan today because of it, AND my premiums went up, AND my deductible DOUBLED!
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