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Will ObamneyCare work?

Will Obamney care succeed

  • Yes, because of Obama

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • No, because of Obama

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, because it's a great idea

    Votes: 11 21.6%
  • No, it's a terrible idea

    Votes: 23 45.1%
  • 10 piece McNuggets with fries

    Votes: 16 31.4%

  • Total voters
    51

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Will RomneyCare on a national scale succeed?
 

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It is a great idea and hopefully the first step on the road to Universial health care.
 

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It is a great idea and hopefully the first step on the road to Universial health care.

How can you tell? Have you read the thing?
 

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I'd also like a large coke, no ice.
 

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Will RomneyCare on a national scale succeed?

It will succeed at bringing coverage to tens of millions of people who go without and decrease costs on some who are struggling to make ends meet. Sadly, it will increase costs on others who are also struggling to make ends meet. Those premiums may lower in the long run, but it is difficult to be sure.
 
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It will work and that's why the Republicans are trying their damndest to kill it. If they thought it would crash and burn, they would have no problem with it's implementation because the Democrats would suffer.

I find it hilarious that "Obamacare" was meant to be a derogatory term but President Obama uses it himself.
 

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It is a great idea and hopefully the first step on the road to Universial health care.

If it is, in fact, a first step to uhc, then yes, it's a great idea. If it just stops there however it'll be a little disappointing.
 

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It will work and that's why the Republicans are trying their damndest to kill it. If they thought it would crash and burn, they would have no problem with it's implementation because the Democrats would suffer.

I find it hilarious that "Obamacare" was meant to be a derogatory term but President Obama uses it himself.

What's even funnier is that people have been convinced that "Obamacare" is somehow different from the Affordable Care Act. Check out the video that mbig posted here.

It will provide access to health care for millions who don't currently have it. It will make it easier to leave the corporate world and open a small business.

It won't bring down costs, so the issue of health care reform still has to be revisited, hopefully, this time, without rants about death panels, socialism, and the rest of the misinformation campaign.
 

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Will RomneyCare on a national scale succeed?

I think it boils down to no choice but to make it work even if it drives up the price of insurance, gives those who had insurance less coverage for more money and leads to long lines and less doctors. Repeal of the ACA isn't going to happen. To have enough votes to repeal it, the Republicans would have to maintain control of the House, win the presidency and win at least 60 seats in the senate.

But on second thought, belay that 60 votes to break a filibuster. The SCOTUS ruled it a tax and a simple majority of 51 votes would be enough due to the quirks in the senate chamber and filibuster rules. So perhaps repeal is feasible, but still highly unlikely.
 

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Our current system does not work. Why doesnt that bother the right?
I think it boils down to no choice but to make it work even if it drives up the price of insurance, gives those who had insurance less coverage for more money and leads to long lines and less doctors. Repeal of the ACA isn't going to happen. To have enough votes to repeal it, the Republicans would have to maintain control of the House, win the presidency and win at least 60 seats in the senate.

But on second thought, belay that 60 votes to break a filibuster. The SCOTUS ruled it a tax and a simple majority of 51 votes would be enough due to the quirks in the senate chamber and filibuster rules. So perhaps repeal is feasible, but still highly unlikely.
 

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Our current system does not work. Why doesnt that bother the right?

you will have to ask them. I think the survey results prior to the passage of the ACA was 80% of Americans were satisfied with the insurance they had. they didn't want to lose or change what they had even to add some uninsured to the roles. They were afraid that they would be forced to make changes and the cost would go up. It seems at this point in time, they were right. This is where that 58% came from that opposed the ACA when it was passed. They had their insurance and wanted to keep it as it is/was.

Fact is even today, a slight majority still oppose the ACA. I think there was a better way to take care of the uninsured if that was what this law was all about. How about setting up a VA style system for them instead of making everyone change their insurance?

I don't know if the law is good or bad. Frankly I don't care. What bothered me about this law, the ACA and it still does is the way it was passed. I watched C-SPAN and seen the debate, then the threats, the bribes, the whip being pulled out by the democratic leadership to make their members vote for it. This bill, the ACA certainly did not pass on its merits. How this all will play out time will tell. I do not think the law is the panacea the Democrats say it is or is near as bad as the republicans say it will be. The truth is somewhere in the middle. But I will probably be against the law no matter how good or bad it is because of the way it was passed.
 

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Because it wasn't designed by the Democrats.

I really wish the right had started designing the American Health Care Reform Act sooner and fleshed out the details a little better rather than the pointless repeated attempts of "repeal the ACA first and we'll go from there" strategy. A compromise might have been possible, of a reformed version of either health care reform plan. As it stands, the ACA is better than nothing.
 

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I know we have to do something. I think most people who state they are happy with their healthcare simply are not aware of the way the system operates and they fear change. It amazes me only a slight majority oppose ACA since there is a 24/7 right wing noise machine screaming about anything that does not contribute to the profit of the healthcare system. Few Americans realize what happens to their healtcare costs every year anyway since premiums are taken out of their paychecks, it goes up and up and up, every year all the time. I think Obama has shown something we have not seen for years in this country from the President, leadership. It is obviously not an outrageously popular cause, but it is one this country must do someday.
you will have to ask them. I think the survey results prior to the passage of the ACA was 80% of Americans were satisfied with the insurance they had. they didn't want to lose or change what they had even to add some uninsured to the roles. They were afraid that they would be forced to make changes and the cost would go up. It seems at this point in time, they were right. This is where that 58% came from that opposed the ACA when it was passed. They had their insurance and wanted to keep it as it is/was.

Fact is even today, a slight majority still oppose the ACA. I think there was a better way to take care of the uninsured if that was what this law was all about. How about setting up a VA style system for them instead of making everyone change their insurance?

I don't know if the law is good or bad. Frankly I don't care. What bothered me about this law, the ACA and it still does is the way it was passed. I watched C-SPAN and seen the debate, then the threats, the bribes, the whip being pulled out by the democratic leadership to make their members vote for it. This bill, the ACA certainly did not pass on its merits. How this all will play out time will tell. I do not think the law is the panacea the Democrats say it is or is near as bad as the republicans say it will be. The truth is somewhere in the middle. But I will probably be against the law no matter how good or bad it is because of the way it was passed.
 

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define succeed.

will insurance companies love it? probably.

will health care become more affordable? not a chance in hell
 

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Obamacare is a very optimistic bill. It is banking on the fact that now that people have medical insurance they will be willing to go to the doctors and recieve preventative care, which would hopefully drive down medical costs, etc. This seems like something that is very dependent. I previously had health insurance but the idea of having to take off so much time and do so much work just to get seen deters me anyways, I wait till the last minute still. Luckily for me nothing bad has happened personally, but others will probably feel the same way. There will be more people in health care facilities, this means wait times will be longer and it will be harder to get seen. All this is going against the logic that was argued. Now I will say that people deserve the chance to get medical coverage that is affordable, though I do not know how to formulate a system that treats both aspects, hence why I am not a politician. At this point I am not sure which method is better, I know for a fact the prior method systematically left out 15% of the population, this leads me to believe that we should at least dabble with the idea.
 

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Our current system does not work.


It has been working for hundreds of millions for decades.

BTW, can you answer the original question that was asked of you: Have you read it?
 

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I guess if you consider the exuberantly irrational utilization of resources and the largest cause of bankruptcy in the nation "working" I guess you are right. Got me there.
It has been working for hundreds of millions for decades.
 

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I guess if you consider the exuberantly irrational utilization of resources


Exuberant and irrational utilization of 'other peoples money' would more properly define the ACA. BTW, thanks for letting us know you have NOT read the bill.
 

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Do you know what happens to your health insurance premium?
Exuberant and irrational utilization of 'other peoples money' would more properly define the ACA. BTW, thanks for letting us know you have NOT read the bill.
 

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Our current system does not work. Why doesnt that bother the right?

Because we don't accept that the current system (before Obamacare) didn't work. It worked for all but a small minority (30-40 million out of 310 million). Why doesn't it bother the left that the vast majority is now having their insurance messed with because of this?
 
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