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Will Obamacare Be the Death of Liberalism ?

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Will Obamacare Be the Death of Liberalism?

>" By 1968, Walter Lippmann, the dean of liberal columnists, had concluded that liberalism had reached the end of its tether.

In that liberal epoch, the 1960s, the Democratic Party had marched us into an endless war that was tearing America apart.

Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society had produced four “long, hot summers” of racial riots and a national crime rate that had doubled in a decade. The young were alienated, the campuses aflame.

Lippmann endorsed Richard Nixon.

For forty years, no unabashed liberal would be elected president.

Jimmy Carter won one term by presenting himself as a born-again Christian from Georgia, a peanut farmer, Naval Academy graduate and nuclear engineer. Bill Clinton ran as a centrist.

So toxic had the term “liberal” become that liberals dropped it and had themselves rebaptized as “progressives.”

Barack Obama, however, ran unapologetically as a man of the left. An opponent of the Iraq war, he had compiled a voting record to the left of Bernie Sanders, the socialist senator from Vermont.

And Obama proudly placed his signature achievement, Obamacare, right alongside, and in the tradition of, liberal giants FDR and LBJ.

This is the new progressivism of the 21st century, Obama was saying, and I the transformational figure who will usher in the post-Reagan era. Where Clinton failed, I will succeed.

But now that Obamacare is coming to be perceived as a political catastrophe, not only does it threaten Obama’s place in history, it could invalidate, indeed, eviscerate the defining idea of the Democratic Party itself.

For Democrats are the Party of Government. They believe that government is more nobly motivated than a private sector that runs on self-interest and the profit motive, and that government can achieve goals private enterprise could never accomplish.

To liberals, government is us, the personification of the nation.

Social Security, Medicare, Medicare and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are monuments to this belief. So, too, are the world wars fought and won under liberal presidents Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

It was 1968, the Tet Offensive, the assassinations, the urban riots, the campus anarchy, the smash-up of the Democratic Party in the streets of Chicago that caused the national recoil from liberalism that lasted for forty years.

Now consider what the rollout of Obamacare is doing, not only to this president and his administration, but also to the idea that government has the solution to America’s problems.

Though they had as long as World War II to get it done, Obama’s crowd could not even produce a working website. Now we learn the White House was alerted to the website problems in March but plunged ahead.

Obama’s reputation for competence has been shredded, and, so, too, has his reputation for truthfulness...."<

Continue reading how Obama killed liberalism/progressivism. -> Will Obamacare Be the Death of Liberalism? - Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website
 
Will Obamacare Be the Death of Liberalism?

No, but opposition to a public health-care scheme might well be the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party.
 
I think you are ignoring a major factor, that Romney referred to as "the 47%". Those that now pay no federal income tax could not care less what tax cuts and wonderful private sector growth would come from a reduction in the huge federal nanny state. Many folks now depend in whole or in part on one or more of the many gov't run, income redistribution, social programs. Those voters will never bite the hand that feeds them, in fact, they will always vote for the candidate that sounds the most like Santa Claus and never trust the Grinch candidate that wants to offer them "opportunity" to provide more for themselves and to wean them off of their "fair share" of their nation's vast, never ending wealth.
 
No, but opposition to a public health-care scheme might well be the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party.

:lamo::monkey2

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First the radical left hid behind the liberal label during the 1970's. After they dirtied the term liberal they hid behind the progressive label. Kinda looks like they dirtied that label. Where do they go next ?
 
Will Obamacare Be the Death of Liberalism?

>" By 1968, Walter Lippmann, the dean of liberal columnists, had concluded that liberalism had reached the end of its tether.

In that liberal epoch, the 1960s, the Democratic Party had marched us into an endless war that was tearing America apart.

Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society had produced four “long, hot summers” of racial riots and a national crime rate that had doubled in a decade. The young were alienated, the campuses aflame.

Lippmann endorsed Richard Nixon.

For forty years, no unabashed liberal would be elected president.

Jimmy Carter won one term by presenting himself as a born-again Christian from Georgia, a peanut farmer, Naval Academy graduate and nuclear engineer. Bill Clinton ran as a centrist.

So toxic had the term “liberal” become that liberals dropped it and had themselves rebaptized as “progressives.”

Barack Obama, however, ran unapologetically as a man of the left. An opponent of the Iraq war, he had compiled a voting record to the left of Bernie Sanders, the socialist senator from Vermont.

And Obama proudly placed his signature achievement, Obamacare, right alongside, and in the tradition of, liberal giants FDR and LBJ.

This is the new progressivism of the 21st century, Obama was saying, and I the transformational figure who will usher in the post-Reagan era. Where Clinton failed, I will succeed.

But now that Obamacare is coming to be perceived as a political catastrophe, not only does it threaten Obama’s place in history, it could invalidate, indeed, eviscerate the defining idea of the Democratic Party itself.

For Democrats are the Party of Government. They believe that government is more nobly motivated than a private sector that runs on self-interest and the profit motive, and that government can achieve goals private enterprise could never accomplish.

To liberals, government is us, the personification of the nation.

Social Security, Medicare, Medicare and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are monuments to this belief. So, too, are the world wars fought and won under liberal presidents Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

It was 1968, the Tet Offensive, the assassinations, the urban riots, the campus anarchy, the smash-up of the Democratic Party in the streets of Chicago that caused the national recoil from liberalism that lasted for forty years.

Now consider what the rollout of Obamacare is doing, not only to this president and his administration, but also to the idea that government has the solution to America’s problems.

Though they had as long as World War II to get it done, Obama’s crowd could not even produce a working website. Now we learn the White House was alerted to the website problems in March but plunged ahead.

Obama’s reputation for competence has been shredded, and, so, too, has his reputation for truthfulness...."<

Continue reading how Obama killed liberalism/progressivism. -> Will Obamacare Be the Death of Liberalism? - Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website

Since "liberal" means "anyone who has a different opinion than I have on any unrelated subject" in Buchanan's lexicon, and since conservatives, real ones, are rarer than whooping cranes in Washington DC, and since Pat can't get himself elected to anything, I'll go out on a limb and suggest that liberalism, by that definition, isn't going away any time soon.
 
Since "liberal" means "anyone who has a different opinion than I have on any unrelated subject" in Buchanan's lexicon, and since conservatives, real ones, are rarer than whooping cranes in Washington DC, and since Pat can't get himself elected to anything, I'll go out on a limb and suggest that liberalism, by that definition, isn't going away any time soon.

Are you suggesting that the neoconservatives will reclaim the liberal label ?

It was there's until it was hijacked by the "New Left" during the 1970's.
 
Are you suggesting that the neoconservatives will reclaim the liberal label ?

It was there's until it was hijacked by the "New Left" during the 1970's.

I'm suggesting that "liberal" is flexible enough to mean whatever the user wants it to mean.

New left, old left, paleoconservative, neoconservative, none of these words has any agreed upon meaning. When the likes of Pat Buchanan uses the term "liberalism" he means "anyone who disagrees with my point of view."
 
First the radical left hid behind the liberal label during the 1970's. After they dirtied the term liberal they hid behind the progressive label. Kinda looks like they dirtied that label. Where do they go next ?

They don't have to go anywhere. They (and here I'm referring to the Democrats, not liberals and definitely not the 'radical left') just have to sit and welcome the migration of voters who feel the Republican Party no longer represents them.
 
I think you are ignoring a major factor, that Romney referred to as "the 47%". Those that now pay no federal income tax could not care less what tax cuts and wonderful private sector growth would come from a reduction in the huge federal nanny state. Many folks now depend in whole or in part on one or more of the many gov't run, income redistribution, social programs. Those voters will never bite the hand that feeds them, in fact, they will always vote for the candidate that sounds the most like Santa Claus and never trust the Grinch candidate that wants to offer them "opportunity" to provide more for themselves and to wean them off of their "fair share" of their nation's vast, never ending wealth.

I can't help thinking of Obama and the left organizing a crisis. Over load the system so it fails.

The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis

>" Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit..."<

Archived-Articles: Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/theclowardpivenstrategypoe.html

An Obama-Pivin connection or his he just an idiot ? -> www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/cloward-piven-chart.pdf
 
I'm suggesting that "liberal" is flexible enough to mean whatever the user wants it to mean.

New left, old left, paleoconservative, neoconservative, none of these words has any agreed upon meaning. When the likes of Pat Buchanan uses the term "liberalism" he means "anyone who disagrees with my point of view."

Pat Buchanan is Navy Pride? :shock:
 
No. Next question.

Pat Buchanan can go eat all of the dicks as far as I'm concerned.

Why don't you take your mouth down below with the rest of the children if you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute ?
 
They don't have to go anywhere. They (and here I'm referring to the Democrats, not liberals and definitely not the 'radical left') just have to sit and welcome the migration of voters who feel the Republican Party no longer represents them.

With the never ending aid of the MSM herding the sheeple to the Santa Claus candidates, and doing all in their power to paint the republicants as The Grinch that is not hard to do. ;)
 
Why don't you take your mouth down below with the rest of the children if you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute ?

Didn't mean to give you the vapors. :roll:
 
They don't have to go anywhere. They (and here I'm referring to the Democrats, not liberals and definitely not the 'radical left') just have to sit and welcome the migration of voters who feel the Republican Party no longer represents them.

Do you remember which study that was that was released I believe last December on Latino immigrants ? They believe that government is the source to success and they want free stuff ?

Why do you think the left is willing to sell out America and want to reward illegal aliens with amnesty, double legal immigration from third world countries and basically open borders ?

Without tens of millions of new uneducated, unskilled people who will become dependent on government and being awarded with citizenship, the Democrat Party will suffer from rigamortis.
 
Will Obamacare Be the Death of Liberalism?
No. Nothing can change the Liberals. But we will "wait until they all will be dead," as said their queen Oprah the toad.
 
Will Obamacare Be the Death of Liberalism?

>" By 1968, Walter Lippmann, the dean of liberal columnists, had concluded that liberalism had reached the end of its tether.

In that liberal epoch, the 1960s, the Democratic Party had marched us into an endless war that was tearing America apart.

Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society had produced four “long, hot summers” of racial riots and a national crime rate that had doubled in a decade. The young were alienated, the campuses aflame.

Lippmann endorsed Richard Nixon.

For forty years, no unabashed liberal would be elected president.

Jimmy Carter won one term by presenting himself as a born-again Christian from Georgia, a peanut farmer, Naval Academy graduate and nuclear engineer. Bill Clinton ran as a centrist.

So toxic had the term “liberal” become that liberals dropped it and had themselves rebaptized as “progressives.”

Barack Obama, however, ran unapologetically as a man of the left. An opponent of the Iraq war, he had compiled a voting record to the left of Bernie Sanders, the socialist senator from Vermont.

And Obama proudly placed his signature achievement, Obamacare, right alongside, and in the tradition of, liberal giants FDR and LBJ.

This is the new progressivism of the 21st century, Obama was saying, and I the transformational figure who will usher in the post-Reagan era. Where Clinton failed, I will succeed.

But now that Obamacare is coming to be perceived as a political catastrophe, not only does it threaten Obama’s place in history, it could invalidate, indeed, eviscerate the defining idea of the Democratic Party itself.

For Democrats are the Party of Government. They believe that government is more nobly motivated than a private sector that runs on self-interest and the profit motive, and that government can achieve goals private enterprise could never accomplish.

To liberals, government is us, the personification of the nation.

Social Security, Medicare, Medicare and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are monuments to this belief. So, too, are the world wars fought and won under liberal presidents Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

It was 1968, the Tet Offensive, the assassinations, the urban riots, the campus anarchy, the smash-up of the Democratic Party in the streets of Chicago that caused the national recoil from liberalism that lasted for forty years.

Now consider what the rollout of Obamacare is doing, not only to this president and his administration, but also to the idea that government has the solution to America’s problems.

Though they had as long as World War II to get it done, Obama’s crowd could not even produce a working website. Now we learn the White House was alerted to the website problems in March but plunged ahead.

Obama’s reputation for competence has been shredded, and, so, too, has his reputation for truthfulness...."<

Continue reading how Obama killed liberalism/progressivism. -> Will Obamacare Be the Death of Liberalism? - Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website

I hope it will but am not sure that will happen.
 
I'm suggesting that "liberal" is flexible enough to mean whatever the user wants it to mean.

New left, old left, paleoconservative, neoconservative, none of these words has any agreed upon meaning. When the likes of Pat Buchanan uses the term "liberalism" he means "anyone who disagrees with my point of view."

The "New Left" only has one definition.

New Left - Discover the Networks

What Is the New Left?

Re: Buchanan, sounds like you have read few of his books and if you go back what he wrote a few decades, he was right when you look at Europe and America today. He warned everyone.

He's been around a long time part of two Presidental administrations.
 
The "New Left" only has one definition.

New Left - Discover the Networks

What Is the New Left?

Re: Buchanan, sounds like you have read few of his books and if you go back what he wrote a few decades, he was right when you look at Europe and America today. He warned everyone.

He's been around a long time part of two Presidental administrations.

Puking David Horowitz's idiocy on the forum every time someone disputes your definition of "liberal" is not making a convincing argument. Horowitz is full of ****.
 
Here's an idea. Don't tell me how to post.

Who cares what Pat Buchanan thinks?

Evidence seems to weigh that you are very concerned what Pat has to say or you wouldn't be responding. Unless you're just trolling ?
 
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