Will it be ok with you when your state decides who wins and who loses and your vote means nothing?

[Deuce]

I answered the question I was asked. I would have assumed the answer was obvious, but not to the person who asked.

As far as I can tell, you're making some weird straw man argument about letting non-citizens vote because you're convinced by right wing propaganda that we are trying to promote illegal immigrant votes. Unless you say something to contradict this, I will assume this is what you mean. Bye now.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Make elections fair and legal, as I've said several times. Unlike the Democratic way: If you can make an "x" or color in a bubble you can vote (multiple times).

So far, nobody has provided any actual proof that they aren't currently fair and legal, so I'm not sure what you are getting on about.

As for the second part of you post, what are you suggesting should be the process for casting a ballot?

 

[Bullseye]

As far as I can tell, you're making some weird straw man argument about letting non-citizens vote because you're convinced by right wing propaganda that we are trying to promote illegal immigrant votes. Unless you say something to contradict this, I will assume this is what you mean. Bye now.

I'm sorry, I can dumb it down any further.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Because we have laws about who is eligible to vote. Does that surprise you?

Not in the least.

What DOES surprise me is that you still think that there was so much illegal voting going on that it affected the outcome of the election. Audit after audit has shown that not to be true, and yet here you are still peddling that same bullshit.

 

[Bullseye]

Not in the least.

What DOES surprise me is that you still think that there was so much illegal voting going on that it affected the outcome of the election. Audit after audit has shown that not to be true, and yet here you are still peddling that same bullshit.

Arizona's audis showed somewhere arround 50,000 questionable ballots. Biden won by 12,000 votes. Computer logs show unexplained massive gains for Biden and losses for Trump in a few seconds in several states almost simultaneous. This has never been audited. Mysteriously stoppages in swing states never have been explained.

 

[Nickyjo]

Let us know when that's going to happen. Right now it's just another leftwing "throw against the wall and see if it sticks".

Not really. The GOP has made obvious their theory that they like it, that they do better, when fewer people vote. And they have tried to implement that theory with dozens of pieces of legislation. Not fair
or really defensible, but an understandable reaction by them to changing demographics and voting patterns. There’s precedent for this. Happened to a much greater extent, done by Democrats, in the post-Reconstruction South.

 

[noonereal]

The election is over, candidate A wins fifty four percent of the vote, candidate B receives forty six percent. Candidate A is the clear winner but hold your horses there pardner, your state in its infinite wisdom decides candidate B has won the state. Will this be ok with you?

Trumpist have no ethics or respect for American values. As long as they get an orange candidate appointed, they will do nothing but celebrate.

Democratic states are not attempting to subvert democracy so we know they don't support such treachery.

 

[noonereal]

Arizona's audis showed somewhere arround 50,000 questionable ballots. Biden won by 12,000 votes. Computer logs show unexplained massive gains for Biden and losses for Trump in a few seconds in several states almost simultaneous. This has never been audited. Mysteriously stoppages in swing states never have been explained.

Deplorable statement. Get over it. You lost. Be a ****in American.

 

[Jay59]

Here's the problem here. There are election integrity groups watching every election.

Not this one. COVID protocols moved observes too far away to see.

Some not friendly to us.

That's the theory but it broke down in practice.

To date, no one has posted anything from any of them in support of the idea the election was.stolen.

There were hundreds of sworn affidavits filed.

Now, most of the actual argument isn't about fraud, but that covid addressing voting measure led to too many people voting. And high turnout is bad for republicans. That's what theyre really mad about.

That's just weird. Republicans are mad that people were voting twice, or more, and the system to catch cheaters was shut down because of the pandemic.

But they can't say that to you out loud.

They don't say it at all because you were fantasizing.

So they jump on the fraud train and say possibilities are certainties with no evidence.

Somewhat closer though there is evidence.

All y'all have is "evidence". Most of it garbage. Obviously and often contemporaneously debunked. In real time.

Not debunked, but not sufficient for a criminal case.

That has been the out--no convictions. That does not prove there was no crime.

They've got y'all by the ego.

That would be you.

And your sense of self is all tied up in their narratives.

Not really. I am just an interested observer who is watching you spin the and claim it's chocolate.

So to challenge any part of it is to call into question your personal wisdom and ability to make correct choices.

What choices? This is about observation and evidence. Where do choices enter in?

They know this.

You're projecting again.

And lead you around like you have a ring in your nose.

That must hurt.

 

[Elmo]

And, what EXACTLY happened in 2020 were the results of ANY STATE overridden by ANY legislature? Your example disproves your thesis. And don't even try any "almost" bullshit as rebuttal - they election was always going to be certified and WAS.

Re-read my post because you clearly don't understand my "thesis". It had nothing to do with the certification of 2020. It was a prediction for future elections.

No, obviously they didn't override any elections in 2020. Because the state legislatures did not have the authority to certify or decertify elections. The law granted that authority to specific officials, who all thankfully did their duty despite ample external pressure.

In response, the Georgia legislature has effectively taken that authority for themselves. Do you think they made that power grab for no reason? They WILL use it. And again, conservative voters have shown that they will believe in election corruption without any evidence. So if a legislature decides to use their new power to overturn elections, they will do it with the full support of their base. It's a disgrace.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Arizona's audis showed somewhere arround 50,000 questionable ballots. Biden won by 12,000 votes. Computer logs show unexplained massive gains for Biden and losses for Trump in a few seconds in several states almost simultaneous. This has never been audited. Mysteriously stoppages in swing states never have been explained.

50000 questionable ballots, and supposedly ALL of them for Biden, right?

There were claims that the computer logs showed what you claim, but no actual evidence has been presented to back it up. Had the Cyber Ninjas actually had something to back up said claim, you bet your ass it would have been all over the news. Alas, they didnt, because its not true. You claim it was never audited.....so then how was it determined to have happened? Oh yeah, through and audit. You really think they found something like that and a Republican lead legislature just let it go? Get real, man. Fact is that there was nothing to back up the premise that it was accurate, and even if it were, that it was all in Bidens favor or anywhere near as impactful as you want the world to believe.

 

[Bullseye]

50000 questionable ballots, and supposedly ALL of them for Biden, right?

There were claims that the computer logs showed what you claim, but no actual evidence has been presented to back it up. Had the Cyber Ninjas actually had something to back up said claim, you bet your ass it would have been all over the news. Alas, they didnt, because its not true. You claim it was never audited.....so then how was it determined to have happened? Oh yeah, through and audit. You really think they found something like that and a Republican lead legislature just let it go? Get real, man. Fact is that there was nothing to back up the premise that it was accurate, and even if it were, that it was all in Bidens favor or anywhere near as impactful as you want the world to believe.

All 50k didn't have to be for Biden, he only won by about 12k. You guys are so funny when you get spun up. I can almost imagine you sitting at your computer spinning slobber all over the screen, mustering and blabbering over this.

 

[Bullseye]

Re-read my post because you clearly don't understand my "thesis". It had nothing to do with the certification of 2020. It was a prediction for future elections.

No, obviously they didn't override any elections in 2020. Because the state legislatures did not have the authority to certify or decertify elections. The law granted that authority to specific officials, who all thankfully did their duty despite ample external pressure.

In response, the Georgia legislature has effectively taken that authority for themselves. Do you think they made that power grab for no reason? They WILL use it. And again, conservative voters have shown that they will believe in election corruption without any evidence. So if a legislature decides to use their new power to overturn elections, they will do it with the full support of their base. It's a disgrace.

I've already addressied those idiotic "predictions" several times. I'm not interested in speculating what Georgia will or won't do. That all LW slobber-manis at its best.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

All 50k didn't have to be for Biden, he only won by about 12k. You guys are so funny when you get spun up. I can almost imagine you sitting at your computer spinning slobber all over the screen, mustering and blabbering over this.

So we are supposed to believe 75% were for Biden? Not bloody likely. The only way it mattered is if you could prove enough to change the outcome. A Republican led legislature has determined that wasn't the case.....multiple times.

Face it.....you are a 6 year old still believing in Santa Claus.

 

[What if...?]

Not this one. COVID protocols moved observes too far away to see.


That's the theory but it broke down in practice.


There were hundreds of sworn affidavits filed.


That's just weird. Republicans are mad that people were voting twice, or more, and the system to catch cheaters was shut down because of the pandemic.


They don't say it at all because you were fantasizing.


Somewhat closer though there is evidence.


Not debunked, but not sufficient for a criminal case.

That has been the out--no convictions. That does not prove there was no crime.


That would be you.


Not really. I am just an interested observer who is watching you spin the and claim it's chocolate.


What choices? This is about observation and evidence. Where do choices enter in?


You're projecting again.


That must hurt.

Lots of effort in your reply.

Unfortunately, no.

I have seen the explanations of all of your claims. And the "evidence".

It's all bullshit. You should be mad at the assholes who blew that smoke up your asses.

 

[Bullseye]

So we are supposed to believe 75% were for Biden? Not bloody likely. The only way it mattered is if you could prove enough to change the outcome. A Republican led legislature has determined that wasn't the case.....multiple times.

Face it.....you are a 6 year old still believing in Santa Claus.

Believe whatever you want - we all know the party line you're following.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Believe whatever you want - we all know the party line you're following.

Says the guy who refuses to believe a legislature of the party of his chosen candidate telling you what you believe isn't true. Delicious irony there.

 

[Bullseye]

Says the guy who refuses to believe a legislature of the party of his chosen candidate telling you what you believe isn't true. Delicious irony there.

Huh? WTF is a 'legislation of the party"?

 

[Jay59]

Lots of effort in your reply.

There was. Lots of things to check.

Thanks for noticing.

Unfortunately, no.

What do you mean no? You just said that it took work to check what was stated in the post you quoted.

Was this failed sarcasm? That doesn't work when it's true.

I have seen the explanations of all of your claims. And the "evidence".

Not judging from your comments. It's clear you have never checked back on any of it.

It's all bullshit. You should be mad at the assholes who blew that smoke up your asses.

Case in point. It isn't bullshit.

If it was I would not have posted it.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Huh? WTF is a 'legislation of the party"?

Not legislation....legislature.....as in the legislature of the state of Arizona is controlled by the same party as the guy who keeps blowing this smoke up your ass that something sinister went down. They have on multiple occasions stated that no election fraud happened and that the victory for Biden was legitimate.

That can only mean one of two things....either what you and he claims happened didn't actually happen, or even worse, it DID happen and they had no desire to keep him in office. Neither is a rousing voice of support for him, now is it?

There was. Lots of things to check.

Thanks for noticing.


What do you mean no? You just said that it took work to check what was stated in the post you quoted.

Was this failed sarcasm? That doesn't work when it's true.


Not judging from your comments. It's clear you have never checked back on any of it.


Case in point. It isn't bullshit.

If it was I would not have posted it.

Come on Jay....you are smarter than this.

Like I pointed out above, its one of two situations, and neither one of them is good for Trump or his supporters. I mean seriously, lets pretend for a second that everything you say is true...it means his own party was so sick of him that they were willing to cover up massive election fraud to get rid of his ass. Thats saying something, isn't it?

All that said.....I personally think Arizona should just go ahead and flip the result in the state to a win for Gasbag....it still wouldn't change anything but his margin of loss, not that he lost.

 

[Jay59]

That can only mean one of two things....either what you and he claims happened didn't actually happen, or even worse, it DID happen and they had no desire to keep him in office. Neither is a rousing voice of support for him, now is it?

False choice. There are many other options. One is that the Republicans trusted the system and the Democrats exploited a weakness, using the pandemic as cover.

Wait. Someone is claiming that actually happened.

Come on Jay....you are smarter than this.

Thanks, I think.

Like I pointed out above, its one of two situations, and neither one of them is good for Trump or his supporters.

That was and I am smart enough to trust my nose.

I mean seriously, lets pretend for a second that everything you say is true...it means his own party was so sick of him that they were willing to cover up massive election fraud to get rid of his ass. Thats saying something, isn't it?

It says you are pissing on our heads and calling it rain.

All that said.....I personally think Arizona should just go ahead and flip the result in the state to a win for Gasbag....it still wouldn't change anything but his margin of loss, not that he lost.

No one is contesting the loss. They are claiming a cheat, which is a bit different and has different standards of evidence and proof.

 

[What if...?]

There was. Lots of things to check.

Thanks for noticing.


What do you mean no? You just said that it took work to check what was stated in the post you quoted.

Was this failed sarcasm? That doesn't work when it's true.


Not judging from your comments. It's clear you have never checked back on any of it.


Case in point. It isn't bullshit.

If it was I would not have posted it.

Hey, con men scam folks all the time. Don't feel bad.

I've seen all of the things you posted explained/debunked.

That's the benefit of getting information from more than one source. Especially when that one source is full of shit.

All you got is narratives. All the court cases had zero to do with fraud, once they got into court. Not one of your sworn affidavits was examined anywhere the signers could have gotten in trouble. Many of them obviously specious, most of the others what happens when people refused to go to training so didn't understand what they were seeing.

But you do you. I know people who believe in magic. People sometimes believe silly things. Like you do.

You don't trust politicians. Unless they're telling you what you want to hear. Then it's gospel. Becomes cannon. It's sadly amusing you let them do this to you.

 

[Bullseye]

Not legislation....legislature.....as in the legislature of the state of Arizona is controlled by the same party as the guy who keeps blowing this smoke up your ass that something sinister went down. They have on multiple occasions stated that no election fraud happened and that the victory for Biden was legitimate.

That can only mean one of two things....either what you and he claims happened didn't actually happen, or even worse, it DID happen and they had no desire to keep him in office. Neither is a rousing voice of support for him, now is it?

Come on Jay....you are smarter than this.

Like I pointed out above, its one of two situations, and neither one of them is good for Trump or his supporters. I mean seriously, lets pretend for a second that everything you say is true...it means his own party was so sick of him that they were willing to cover up massive election fraud to get rid of his ass. Thats saying something, isn't it?

All that said.....I personally think Arizona should just go ahead and flip the result in the state to a win for Gasbag....it still wouldn't change anything but his margin of loss, not that he lost.

The election is long over and certified. You guys are whining and crying and cringing about issues as substantial as ghost farts. I'd think any attempt by a legislature to negative the will of the voters would result in floods of recalls/impeachments.

 

[mike2810]

It is true the 2020 election is over , certified and done. What some do not realize is some State Republicans like in Arizona want to take the choice away from voters in future elections.

"A Republican lawmaker wants to allow the Arizona Legislature to overturn the results of a presidential election, even after the count is formally certified by the governor and secretary of state — and even after Congress counts the state’s electors."

Proposed law would allow Arizona Legislature to overturn presidential election results

Republican's proposal would allow Arizona Legislature to overturn presidential election results even after they are formally certified by the governor and secretary of state and the electors are counted by

tucson.com

 

[Jay59]

Hey, con men scam folks all the time. Don't feel bad.

MSM does it 24/7

I've seen all of the things you posted explained/debunked.

Perfect example. Facts are never debunked.

That's the benefit of getting information from more than one source.

You should try it. Your sources are all on the cult-approved list.

Especially when that one source is full of shit.

Or multiple sources with the same shit.

All you got is narratives. All the court cases had zero to do with fraud, once they got into court.

That's your narrative, no proven fraud means nothing happened. It doesn't float, so keep bailing.

Not one of your sworn affidavits was examined anywhere the signers could have gotten in trouble. Many of them obviously specious, most of the others what happens when people refused to go to training so didn't understand what they were seeing.

Suddenly many were obviously specious matters.

Either they do or they don't, not both.

But you do you. I know people who believe in magic. People sometimes believe silly things. Like you do.

I believe in trying to educate you and people like you, who have a very narrow view of the world. That's silly if you say so.

You don't trust politicians. Unless they're telling you what you want to hear.

Not even then. I trust results.

Then it's gospel. Becomes cannon. It's sadly amusing you let them do this to you.

Now you are projecting. That's the cult speaking through you. They are all about making what they say into cannon.

Get out of the echo chamber. Listen to things you disagree with. Try listing the facts claimed and testing to see if they hold up. Learn critical thinking. It makes your world bigger.