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Will Hillary repeat the mistake of 2008?

Amadeus

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As many see it, Hillary's mistake in 2008 was moving to the right, and then getting mauled from her left by Obama. Do you think she is going to do the same thing in 2016?

Hillary is already distancing herself from Obama, and positioning herself as a right-of-center hawk.
 
A year ago I would have said that Hillary has no chance at the nomination. However, the unfortunate reality is that the Democratic Party seems to be following Clinton to the edges of the Authoritarian-Right. I don't doubt the viability of a Clinton nomination after seeing some of the Republicrats running on the Dem ticket this year.
 
TeleKat said:
A year ago I would have said that Hillary has no chance at the nomination. However, the unfortunate reality is that the Democratic Party seems to be following Clinton to the edges of the Authoritarian-Right. I don't doubt the viability of a Clinton nomination after seeing some of the Republicrats running on the Dem ticket this year.
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I agree. And I'd say the only way the Democrats can lose in 2016 is if Hillary is the nominee. Progressives won't vote in numbers, and conservatives would rather pick a real Republican rather than a wannabe.
 
Amadeus said:
As many see it, Hillary's mistake in 2008 was moving to the right, and then getting mauled from her left by Obama. Do you think she is going to do the same thing in 2016?

Hillary is already distancing herself from Obama, and positioning herself as a right-of-center hawk.
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Hillary is just a stupid female version of John McCain.

Except McCain produced better looking offspring. :lol:
 
Are you serious? People actually want that... Woman (only non-vulgar descriptive) to be president?

Do you know why it was obama and not hillary?

Do you remember during the election there was that time where Obama and Hillary "disappeared" ? (Well, the media knew where they both were, but did not publish it anywhere)

Well, they both went to this meeting in chantilly, Virginia. Where it was decided that Obama could be more effective in selling the agenda to the American people, and in exchange for stepping aside and allowing Obama to carry on Hillary was promised a position and future opportunities.

Anyway, all Hillary would have to offer is precisely the same pack of lies that Obama sold the "stupid Americans", except she will pretend that all opposition is due to sexism as opposed to racism.

The POTUS is supposed to represent the best and the brightest the country has to offer in leadership, but, except Obama, it's been close to 30 years since anyone other than a Clinton or a bush has been a favourite...

It's no wonder the U.S. Is turning into a failed state, slowly but surely. Maybe that guy who admitted that Obamacare was sold to "stupid Americans" based on lies and so many bought into those lies.
 
"Will Hillary repeat the mistake of 2008?"

You mean run for president? Looks like it. Personally I would find Joe Binden to be far more entertaining in that office.
 
Amadeus said:
As many see it, Hillary's mistake in 2008 was moving to the right, and then getting mauled from her left by Obama. Do you think she is going to do the same thing in 2016?

Hillary is already distancing herself from Obama, and positioning herself as a right-of-center hawk.
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her mistake in 08 was being part of the democrat party.


hillary has more skeletons in her closet than perhaps any other candidate,and there are plenty of politicians waiting to use dirt on her going back decades.

the democrats pushed obama over hillary,one thing to consider,obama then had no real record to attack,other than his previous shady friends.hillary has enough dirt to run a week long ad smear campaign with something new each ad.


the democrats werent going to push a candidate who could be crushed by smear campaigns.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Are you serious? People actually want that... Woman (only non-vulgar descriptive) to be president?

Do you know why it was obama and not hillary?

Do you remember during the election there was that time where Obama and Hillary "disappeared" ? (Well, the media knew where they both were, but did not publish it anywhere)

Well, they both went to this meeting in chantilly, Virginia. Where it was decided that Obama could be more effective in selling the agenda to the American people, and in exchange for stepping aside and allowing Obama to carry on Hillary was promised a position and future opportunities.

Anyway, all Hillary would have to offer is precisely the same pack of lies that Obama sold the "stupid Americans", except she will pretend that all opposition is due to sexism as opposed to racism.

The POTUS is supposed to represent the best and the brightest the country has to offer in leadership, but, except Obama, it's been close to 30 years since anyone other than a Clinton or a bush has been a favourite...

It's no wonder the U.S. Is turning into a failed state, slowly but surely. Maybe that guy who admitted that Obamacare was sold to "stupid Americans" based on lies and so many bought into those lies.
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Link?
 
She will pivot back and forth as required. The Warren gang needs a few bones to shut up and the rest of the time she will have to address growing malaise across many states that have continued a Republican shift.

Unlike 2008, I'm pretty sure you're going to see candidates try harder to appeal to moderates and "independents" who aren't greenies. It's the smart thing to do. You don't want to totally alienate the base by acknowledging the electoral map as it were, but you just have to give them some amount of red meat to show that a, say, Rand Paul will have all of these dire consequences if we don't show up.

The difficult part is that no matter what, the incumbent Party has an uphill battle against the opposition Party for a third term in power. If Hillary gets the nomination and loses, this will allow the Party faithful to somehow think it was Hillary's hawkishness or moderate pretensions which made her lose. If someone more stringent for the base gets the nomination and loses (or if Hillary runs on such a platform), it will be because they ran too far to the Left in an electoral system heavily favoring a Republican growth at the local, state, and national levels.

All of which will kind of erode the bigger point: it's hard to stay in the executive more than two terms. The American public get tired of the same Party holding power for more than 8 years. The Republican Party isn't the Democratic Party of the late 19th and early 20th century, folks. They aren't nearly as divided as they were several years ago. The Democrats aren't divided as the Republicans were several years ago, but there's a chance for that to happen. At this point, barring some crazy development, I think Republicans are favored for the White House on sheer momentum and historical tradition alone.
 
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Amadeus said:
As many see it, Hillary's mistake in 2008 was moving to the right, and then getting mauled from her left by Obama. Do you think she is going to do the same thing in 2016?

Hillary is already distancing herself from Obama, and positioning herself as a right-of-center hawk.
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Did Hillary make a mistake or did the image making machinery of the Obama camp simply out gun her? She had no chance with blacks, which gave the Owe at least ten points, and he was the messiah of "hope and change" where the voters were already growing tired of the same old.

It is always a mistake to lay the blame for an election loss on one aspect.

In two years, Hillary will be older than Reagan when he ran, she is old looking, with a 'vintage' style in dress and speechifying, she is boring. I say the Democrats have been touting her as the next, best thing for six years, unless there is suddenly a hot black woman emerging from he wings the DNC will provide a coronation like and incumbent. She is also gagged on Obamacare, having unquestionably supported it while in Obama's cabinet where she should have known about the deceit, she can hardly jump up now and proclaim a "repair" platform.

Which says all the Republicans need is a black woman as vice president, someone say like a certain new congresswoman from Utah.
 
Fiddytree said:
Keep in mind this guy thinks 9/11 was an inside job.
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Nice ad hom.

Because you have so much faith in known liars, either you only know that both Obama and hillary disappeared for a time, if you remember 2008 at all.

The media (can, msnbc, Fox, etc) were all told which hotel they were at and why, but they never managed to publicly figure out the mystery of the disappearing candidates.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Nice ad hom.

Because you have so much faith in known liars, either you only know that both Obama and hillary disappeared for a time, if you remember 2008 at all.

The media (can, msnbc, Fox, etc) were all told which hotel they were at and why, but they never managed to publicly figure out the mystery of the disappearing candidates.
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You were asked for a link I believe....

Nice make believe....."hom"
 
Amadeus said:
As many see it, Hillary's mistake in 2008 was moving to the right, and then getting mauled from her left by Obama. Do you think she is going to do the same thing in 2016?

Hillary is already distancing herself from Obama, and positioning herself as a right-of-center hawk.
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The reason Clinton lost the primary in 2008 was not "moving to the right", it was that she assumed she would win easily(every one else thought so too except maybe the Obama campaign, so at least she had company) so she while Obama was building up this campaign juggernaut, doing all the footwork and prepwork, Clinton was on autopilot. When she discovered she was not going to be the automatic shoein that every one thought, it was too late.

And no, she will not repeat that mistake(she is already stated on building a proper campaign structure and laying the proper groundwork), nor will she make the mistake you claim, in that her message right now is very much on the middle class and wage stagnation, very left liberal friendly topics.
 
Fearandloathing said:
You were asked for a link I believe....

Nice make believe....."hom"
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Post number 13.

RT was the only one to cover anything more than the disappearance.

Even though all media outlets were made aware, the most that got reported on was that they both (separately) disappeared. Obama did so by kidnapping the reporters following him in the plane he was supposed to board.

Good to know how people pay attention even when sources are provided.
 
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