Everyone is God's creation, but not everyone is a child of God. God loves everyone, but not everyone has been adopted as children into his family. Only those who have repented of sin and believe in Jesus are Biblically Children of God.
Show me Biblically where God says that He makes people gay and forces them into homosexuality.
I also agree with you. Alas I feel that folks here are surprised you feel that way because of your strong conservative beliefs. Conservatives generally believe in the Bible and in the bible it says at LEAST twice that God HATES homosexual activity. A LOT!
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).
“For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another…” (Romans 1:26-27).
The Greek word arsenokoitai used in 1 Timothy 1:10 literally means “men who sleep with men.” It is the same Greek word used for “homosexual offender” in 1 Corinthians 6:9, variously translated as “abusers of themselves with mankind” (KJV), homosexuals (NASB) or homosexual offender (NIV).
Some people claim that the sin involved in Sodom was rejecting hospitality customs or selfishness rather than homosexual behavior. Certainly, the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah was great and their reported sin was grievous to God (Genesis 18:20). God sent angels to Sodom and…
“Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have sex with them” (Genesis 19:4-5).
“While it is true that the Hebrew word yadha does not necessarily mean 'to have sex with,' nonetheless in the context of Sodom and Gommorah, it clearly had this meaning. …It means 'to know sexually' in this very chapter when Lot refers to his two daughters not having “known” a man (19:8).” 9 You would not offer virgins to appease a mob if their sin was lack of hospitality, but only if their desire was sexual.
Although Ezekiel 16:49 condemns Sodom for its selfishness with regard to poverty etc., this does not contradict its condemnation for homosexual practices. “The very next verse of Ezekiel (v. 50) calls their sin an ‘abomination.’ This is the same Hebrew word used to describe homosexual sins in Leviticus 18:22.”10
It is also used in Scripture to describe such things like the practice of offering children to Moloch, but never such things as mere selfishness or lack of hospitality. Even in legal parlance, the word used to refer to one aspect of homosexual practice is 'sodomy'.
Another argument is that Jonathon and David were homosexuals as 'Jonathan loved David (1 Sam. 18:3), that Jonathan stripped in David's presence (18:4), [and] that they kissed each other (20:41)'.11
However, “David's love for Jonathan was not sexual (erotic) but a friendship (philic) love. And Jonathan did not strip himself of all his clothes, but only of his armor and royal robe (1 Sam. 18:4).”12 Also, a kiss was a normal greeting in that day, such as when Judas kissed Jesus. In several cultures today, men normally greet each other with a kiss, too. Further, David's love for his wives, especially Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11), clearly reveals his heterosexual orientation.
Isaiah 56:3 states that eunuchs will not be excluded from God's presence (“my temple”), but practicing homosexuals are not eunuchs. Eunuchs have no sexual relations at all.
Other scriptural arguments for homosexuality can similarly be easily refuted. It is clear that heterosexual marriage is the only form of marriage sanctioned in the Bible and that homosexual practice is always condemned.
Punishment
The Bible not only describes homosexual behavior as detestable, but it also calls for the punishment of those involved (Leviticus 20:13). Their unrepentant attitude caused God to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24-25).
Just as homosexual conduct has been punished in the past, so it will also be punished by God in the future.
“…Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortion ers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
What's wrong with being gay? Homosexual behavior versus the Bible - ChristianAnswers.Net
"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
To The Giant Noodle (I really don't want to quote that again)
Ezekiel 16:49 clearly states that it was not homosexuality or any sexual deviance that led to Sodom's destruction. It was the people of Sodom turning from God (which is also stated in the passages prior to the actual story of Sodom, when God is speaking with Abraham. He never mentions sexual activities at all. Ezekiel says that it was "inhospitality and essentially greed".
Ezekiel 16:49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
Plus, it was common in those times for people to believe that having sex with a supernatural being (angels) would give the person some of that being's powers. Which would explain why all the men in the town, young and old came to rape the angels, not just some of them. They couldn't have all been homosexual (bisexual maybe, but I doubt it) because there were children in the town. It was about the power.
Show me Biblically where God says that He makes people gay and forces them into homosexuality.
First God made heaven & earth 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. 6 And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7 And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. 9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth." And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. 20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. 24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." 29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.
I doubt that God has ever blessed an active soldier.
The Gay and Lesbian Study Bible, translated from the Greek by Dr Ann Nyland, is a timely contribution to the spiritual needs of gay and lesbian followers of Christ. Dr Nyland's close examination of the source materials shows beyond doubt that there is no textual basis in the Bible for the exclusion of same sex relations. The Gay and Lesbian Study Bible will give heart to many who feel that sexual orientation is irrelevant to spiritual communion, and it does so by paying meticulous scholarly attention to the true meanings of the source text of all Christian faith.
-- Dr William McDonald, University of New England.
Hah! I love this - I just might get one to draw scripture from in debates.
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Well it would be cool if ya DID! I would like to seehow they can wiggle their way around direct biblical statements that arent taken out of context.
They re-translated from the original texts. . .as do many conflicting versions of the Bible.
that's what happens when a religion uses a book that's extremely old - there's a lot of room for interpretation . . . interpreting texts of any type - for any purpose - is tricky business. It's not like a code where all you have to do is unscramble it.
I personally dont think it would change muliple references directed at gay acts. Sounds like the author is trying to fit a sqare peg in a round hole. :roll:
I personally dont think it would change muliple references directed at gay acts. Sounds like the author is trying to fit a sqare peg in a round hole. :roll:
It is more like the thinking of the times were different. As far as we know, they didn't have a word for any sexuality. Sociology didn't exist back then. They didn't think such things were really necessary to explain. It is quite possible that they were talking about either sex between a man and boy, or ritual male prostitution, or even someone who sleeps with both men and women. It really isn't as cut and dry as we may think. And it could very well mean man/man sexual relations, but it is really not easy to know this, since those original words are no longer used and really weren't translated directly from someone who lived in the time when those terms were being used to clear up what exactly is being talked about.
Only God knows. From a spiritual standpoint, God showed compassion and love to all sinners and gave everyone a chance to repent and be saved. In terms of sin, it is equally wrong for a soldier to have premarital sex and act crass and foolish. As a Christian, I believe that God doesn't hate homosexuals or any other sinner and wishes that they would repent and turn from their ways. Biblically speaking, allowing homosexuals to serve openly is just as "wrong" as accepting heterosexuals that brag and are open about their sexual immorality with the opposite sex. I believe God will judge all nations and all people during the end of days.
It is more like the thinking of the times were different. As far as we know, they didn't have a word for any sexuality. Sociology didn't exist back then. They didn't think such things were really necessary to explain. It is quite possible that they were talking about either sex between a man and boy, or ritual male prostitution, or even someone who sleeps with both men and women. It really isn't as cut and dry as we may think. And it could very well mean man/man sexual relations, but it is really not easy to know this, since those original words are no longer used and really weren't translated directly from someone who lived in the time when those terms were being used to clear up what exactly is being talked about.
Heck, until the 1970s, homosexuality was considered a mental illness even by mental health professionals. Why? What exactly was wrong with being homosexual that made it necessary to make it a mental illness? Many people, even now, hold this stance because they feel that it somehow helps to justify their own bigotry against consenting adults of the same sex being involved in intimate relationships when there is no actual conflict with them living a normal healthy life nor a conflict of violating consent laws.
Show me Biblically where God says that He makes people gay and forces them into homosexuality.
I really wish you hadn't started this thread. All it is going to do is stir up a lot of controversy and anger.
To answer the OP, I'd just have to say that I don't know. I don't claim to speak for God. He will bless a nation(or its military) as He wills according to His purposes. Individuals are a different matter, according to my beliefs.
That's quite a radical statement. Would you care to expand on your thoughts on that matter?
Actually - many historians date most of the Bible to be within the first few centuries BC.
That would date along side the pyramids and other such things - and Greek history when they were a large empire. The Greeks, as we all know, were very insightful and many of their ideas and beliefs still heavily influence our societies, today - such as Aristotles teachings and so on.
The old testament, perhaps. The new testament dates to around 100AD or much later. The earliest copies in existence date from around 300 AD.
This question is ridiculous on many levels, theologically speaking. First, it is based upon the presumption that America had some sort of favored nation status in God's eyes, akin to Israel. There is zero theological basis for this belief. God doesn't have a favorite team. He has relationships with individuals.
Secondly, it presumes that God withholds love from humans based upon their hetero/homosexuality. That is also patently false...
"While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Some evangelicals are just ridiculously stupid when they come up with this sort of nonsense. It's as if they haven't even read the bible.
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