Will conservatives believe spygate dead since Fox says so?

[independentusa]

Fox News' Shep Smith firmly dismantles Trump's unfounded claims about 'Spygate'
This is just one of the articles about different people on Fox News saying either there is no evidence that the spygate conspiracy touted by Trump is just not true. So, will most conservatives now believe what most people have been saying from the beginning that there is no spygate now that Fox News has confirmed it?

 

[Winston]

Fox News' Shep Smith firmly dismantles Trump's unfounded claims about 'Spygate'
This is just one of the articles about different people on Fox News saying either there is no evidence that the spygate conspiracy touted by Trump is just not true. So, will most conservatives now believe what most people have been saying from the beginning that there is no spygate now that Fox News has confirmed it?

Considering they keep a scroll of Trump's tweets underneath their pillow at night, No, they won't be abandoning that conspiracy theory anytime soon.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Why would they? (It is not like Trump is letting this go anytime soon.)

 

[Cardinal]

I'm pretty sure the only conspiracy theory they've ever let go was Pizzagate. Somehow even they were able to grasp the stupidity of that one. To my knowledge they've held on to every single other one. Even the ones who appeared at first glance to drop the birther can will surprise you with the declaration that while Obama may not have been born in Kenya, his birth certificate was still forged.

Otherwise, the rule appears to be, "Once you have a good theory, never let it go under any circumstances."

 

[Mycroft]

Fox News' Shep Smith firmly dismantles Trump's unfounded claims about 'Spygate'
This is just one of the articles about different people on Fox News saying either there is no evidence that the spygate conspiracy touted by Trump is just not true. So, will most conservatives now believe what most people have been saying from the beginning that there is no spygate now that Fox News has confirmed it?

Nah...

I prefer to use my own ability to collect information and my own reasoning powers to come to a conclusion. I don't need some Mainstream Media talking potato head to tell me what to think.

But then...that's just me. I don't know what "most conservatives" will believe or not believe. Heck, like on the left, there are useful idiots on the right. They'll all believe what some left-wing or right-wing talking potato head tells them to believe.

One thing I will say, though...way back when Trump said that he was wiretapped people said, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!" Well, now we have evidence and it's established that Trump was wiretapped. And now, concerning spygate, we again hear, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!" Since this is being investigated by Horowitz as we speak, I suggest we wait a bit before we talk about, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!"

 

[itsforthekids]

As soon as you believe that the “Russian collusion” is dead.

 

[CletusWilbury]

I switched over to Hannity, some guest saying this was an FBI conspiracy to feed itself dirt on Trump.
Then he complained that Gowdy hadn't seen the FISA documents, so he couldn't know.

 

[Praxas]

Nah...

I prefer to use my own ability to collect information and my own reasoning powers to come to a conclusion. I don't need some Mainstream Media talking potato head to tell me what to think.

But then...that's just me. I don't know what "most conservatives" will believe or not believe. Heck, like on the left, there are useful idiots on the right. They'll all believe what some left-wing or right-wing talking potato head tells them to believe.

One thing I will say, though...way back when Trump said that he was wiretapped people said, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!" Well, now we have evidence and it's established that Trump was wiretapped. And now, concerning spygate, we again hear, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!" Since this is being investigated by Horowitz as we speak, I suggest we wait a bit before we talk about, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!"

There you go with your revisionist history. The claim was OBAMA personally had trump tower wiretapped. That was a lie just like your revisionist history is a lie. What is it about cons that makes them dishonest with their comments?

 

[Mycroft]

There you go with your revisionist history. The claim was OBAMA personally had trump tower wiretapped. That was a lie just like your revisionist history is a lie. What is it about cons that makes them dishonest with their comments?

Yeah...maybe Obama was just so incompetent that he had no idea Trump was being wiretapped.

Right.

 

[Praxas]

Yeah...maybe Obama was just so incompetent that he had no idea Trump was being wiretapped.

Right.

Again you point out you have no proof and just have your revisionist lies. Cons are so dishonest .

 

[PLizzy]

I think at this point a more proper question is whether Trump supporters base any of their beliefs on evidence.

 

[Mycroft]

again you point out you have no proof and just have your revisionist lies. Cons are so dishonest .

LOL!!

"THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!!"

(and then the evidence comes out and then it's "NUH-UH!!!")

 

[jnug]

Yeah...maybe Obama was just so incompetent that he had no idea Trump was being wiretapped.

Right.

In fact Manafort was wiretapped though it is not clear if Manafort's apartment in Trump Tower was wiretapped. Trump was not wiretapped and the wiretap on Manafort came through an FBI request, authorized by a judge. Perhaps the Trump campaign should have vetted their campaign manager better before hiring him. Lets see, there is considerable concern that Russians are trying to interfere with the 2016 election. So lets make this guy who is willing to work without pay and who has spent the last 14 years working for Ukrainian authoritarians and others with close ties to the Russian government the campaign manager for our campaign.

Sorry, just won't wash. If anything the campaign either did not care to vet the man or the campaign was so wrapped up in Russians that they simply decided "oh what the heck, whats a campaign manager here or there."

SO No, Trump himself was not wiretapped by Obama and it does not matter whether Obama eventually knew about the wiretap on Manafort or knew about it as it was taking place.

Again, the Right meanders between Obama did not do enough regarding Russian interference in the 2016 elections to Obama did too much and uses the exact same basic material to make both claims. Nice try. Gone to the Rudy Giuliani graduate school of law I see, an annex to Trump University I am sure.

 

[What if...?]

Yeah...maybe Obama was just so incompetent that he had no idea Trump was being wiretapped.

Right.

And that soldier went into battle with his shoe untied too that time, ****ing incompetent president!

 

[OscarLevant]

LOL!!

"THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!!"

(and then the evidence comes out and then it's "NUH-UH!!!")

Then please provide the evidence.

 

[Mycroft]

In fact Manafort was wiretapped though it is not clear if Manafort's apartment in Trump Tower was wiretapped. Trump was not wiretapped and the wiretap on Manafort came through an FBI request, authorized by a judge. Perhaps the Trump campaign should have vetted their campaign manager better before hiring him. Lets see, there is considerable concern that Russians are trying to interfere with the 2016 election. So lets make this guy who is willing to work without pay and who has spent the last 14 years working for Ukrainian authoritarians and others with close ties to the Russian government the campaign manager for our campaign.

Sorry, just won't wash. If anything the campaign either did not care to vet the man or the campaign was so wrapped up in Russians that they simply decided "oh what the heck, whats a campaign manager here or there."

SO No, Trump himself was not wiretapped by Obama and it does not matter whether Obama eventually knew about the wiretap on Manafort or knew about it as it was taking place.

Again, the Right meanders between Obama did not do enough regarding Russian interference in the 2016 elections to Obama did too much and uses the exact same basic material to make both claims. Nice try. Gone to the Rudy Giuliani graduate school of law I see, an annex to Trump University I am sure.

The FBI/DOJ were collecting NSA information on Trump and his people before Trump even became the Republican nominee. In case you don't know, the NSA wiretaps EVERYONE. And then later, the FBI/DOJ used concocted, bogus information to get their FISA warrant on Page which allowed them to wiretap EVERYONE connected to Trump.

Obama knew about all of this. He wanted to be kept informed, according to Strzok.

Of course, when Trump rightfully said that the Obama administration was wiretapping him everyone said, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!" Now we know there IS evidence. I suspect we'll see evidence of spygate, too.

 

[Mycroft]

Then please provide the evidence.

As I've said...I'm content to see what Horowitz comes up with. After all, he's the one who came up with the evidence that Trump was wiretapped.

 

[independentusa]

Nah...

I prefer to use my own ability to collect information and my own reasoning powers to come to a conclusion. I don't need some Mainstream Media talking potato head to tell me what to think.

But then...that's just me. I don't know what "most conservatives" will believe or not believe. Heck, like on the left, there are useful idiots on the right. They'll all believe what some left-wing or right-wing talking potato head tells them to believe.

One thing I will say, though...way back when Trump said that he was wiretapped people said, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!" Well, now we have evidence and it's established that Trump was wiretapped. And now, concerning spygate, we again hear, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!" Since this is being investigated by Horowitz as we speak, I suggest we wait a bit before we talk about, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!"

Link on the wiretapping and not Brietbart please?

 

[independentusa]

The FBI/DOJ were collecting NSA information on Trump and his people before Trump even became the Republican nominee. In case you don't know, the NSA wiretaps EVERYONE. And then later, the FBI/DOJ used concocted, bogus information to get their FISA warrant on Page which allowed them to wiretap EVERYONE connected to Trump.

Obama knew about all of this. He wanted to be kept informed, according to Strzok.

Of course, when Trump rightfully said that the Obama administration was wiretapping him everyone said, "THERE'S NO EVIDENCE!!" Now we know there IS evidence. I suspect we'll see evidence of spygate, too.

What a pile. The NSA can only wire tap Americans if they get a warrant. Maybe you live in a country where that is not necessary, hint, hint. And yes they can tap foreigners, as eveery other country in the world does. So unless you have a link to prove that NSA taps everyone, just stop putting out such crap.

 

[Mycroft]

Link on the wiretapping and not Brietbart please?

sigh...

Do you REALLY want me to explain FISA warrants to you?

 

[Mycroft]

What a pile. The NSA can only wire tap Americans if they get a warrant. Maybe you live in a country where that is not necessary, hint, hint. And yes they can tap foreigners, as eveery other country in the world does. So unless you have a link to prove that NSA taps everyone, just stop putting out such crap.

You really don't have any idea what the NSA does, do you?

https://nsa.gov1.info/data/

 

[OscarLevant]

As I've said...I'm content to see what Horowitz comes up with. After all, he's the one who came up with the evidence that Trump was wiretapped.

So you admit you have no evidence. Thank you.

Also I cannot find any quotes that Horowitz has claimed he has evidence of trump being wiretapped , moreover he has stated his investigation will be limited in scope because he cannot subpoena anyone and said to rely on the outcome of Mueller's investigation for the complete answer to these questions.

 

[beefheart]

Fox News' Shep Smith firmly dismantles Trump's unfounded claims about 'Spygate'
This is just one of the articles about different people on Fox News saying either there is no evidence that the spygate conspiracy touted by Trump is just not true. So, will most conservatives now believe what most people have been saying from the beginning that there is no spygate now that Fox News has confirmed it?

Some will, but the morons here won't.

Hell, they are still pushing the Uranium One story.

Rubes...

 

[Mycroft]

So you admit you have no evidence. Thank you.

Also I cannot find any quotes that Horowitz has claimed he has evidence of trump being wiretapped , moreover he has stated his investigation will be limited in scope because he cannot subpoena anyone and said to rely on the outcome of Mueller's investigation for the complete answer to these questions.

The smoking gun that Horowitz came up with are the Strzok/Page texts. These confirm other evidence from various sources about wiretapping.

But you are talking about something quite different from what I'm talking about. Horowitz isn't concerned with anything that Mueller is investigating. Mueller is investigating Trump. Horowitz is investigating the DOJ/FBI.

Also, Horowitz will investigate anything he is instructed to investigate and he'll do it fully. He doesn't have subpoena power...but he doesn't need it. Keep in mind though, Huber does have subpoena power and he is working with Horowitz.

 

[Athanasius68]

There you go with your revisionist history. The claim was OBAMA personally had trump tower wiretapped. That was a lie just like your revisionist history is a lie. What is it about cons that makes them dishonest with their comments?

The claim was, as president, Obama is responsible for everything that occurs in the executive dept., even if he had no personal knowledge.
The correct assumption at the time woukd be that wiretapping the opposition candidate for president would be such a momentous decision that there would be no way a president would be unaware should it happen.
Sending a spy to the opposition political campaign is also, or should also, be a momentous decision not to be taken lightly and without guidance.