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Will Amy Coney Barrett Cost Republicans the Senate?

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Mitch McConnell has a tricky needle to thread.


I personally think "Moscow" Mitch McConnell, both a politician and a strategist, will hold a Senate SCOTUS confirmation vote asap figuring that this will help more GOP Senators up for reelection (like Lindsey Graham and perhaps Lisa Murkowski) than hurt others who are probably already dead meat (such as Susan Collins and Cory Gardner). I tend to think stacking the Supreme Court with a 6-3 conservative majority and lifetime appointments is more important to McConnell than remaining the Senate Majority Leader for the next four years. By and large, Republicans have given up on attaining party goals via the Congressional-legislative route, and instead now look to the courts to advance their various agenda. It's difficult to say anymore what ideology the GOP still holds dear, since it has cast aside all traditional Republican/conservative values under Donald Trump and Trumpism.
 

The party that hid behind SCOTUS decisions for over a generation is heading to the fainting couches over Republican values?

Briar patch much?
 
By and large, Republicans have given up on attaining party goals via the Congressional-legislative route, and instead now look to the courts to advance their various agenda.

You actually believe it is Republicans using the Supreme Court to bypass the legislature? This is something the left very clearly is doing. The judges Trump has confirmed are largely originalists/textualists, meaning they rule based on what the law meant at the time it was created. The liberals on the court on the court are contextualists, meaning they look at the law and apply it in modern times based on their personal ethics and morality. In other words, contextualists make rulings based on what they believe the law should mean, rather than what it was when it was written. This is how liberals get judicial law and bypass Congress.

If you look at Gorsuch, for example, he hasn't always sided with conservatives on the court. The liberal judges you know how they will decide the outcome of the case based on which political party would benefit at a rate of about 99%. The originalists don't always side with the politics of the party that nominated them.
 
What should cost the Senate republicants is that they approved annual federal “budgets” with ever increasing deficits. The idea that these annual federal “budget” deficits do not matter, thus federal spending can be raised while federal income tax rates are cut has been repeatedly shown not to work.
 
Please, nobody buys that.

99% of the time the conservative court bands together on most issues just like the liberal wing. Every once in awhile you'll have a Roberts or a Kennedy swing to the liberal wing, but that's only to preserve the courts legitimacy, it's not because of some principle they actually care about.

You want to talk about activism? Conservative justices make it no secret how they view their moral codes as belonging in the laws of society. They also make it no secret that they take issue with only rulings that went in favor of social progress they disagree with from a religious and political perspective, and they practically audition for bench seats by making these opinions clear for the Republicans in Congress.

You don't see liberal legal minds looking for careers as judges pledging to overturn Citizens United, do you? That's because they respect legal precedent, even when they disagree with it.
 
It wasn't for sale.

It is far more common for the four liberals on the court to peal away a conservative vote than it is to get a RBG or Kagan, etc to side with the conservatives on the court. There is more variance in the decisions of the conservative justices. Despite only having four votes, they are a steady four and they have managed to get their way quite a bit despite being in the minority. That is because there is more swing on the conservative side with variables of conservatism, orginalism and textualism.

Your goals of "social progress" is intended for the legislature, not the courts. The role of the courts is to determine the law as it is written. It is not their role to re-evaluate laws based on the what the liberal ideology determines to be "social progress." If that is your goal of the court, you're going to be let down going forward presuming Barrett's nomination goes through.

And you see liberal minds overruling things all the time. Just a couple months ago the liberal justices and Roberts determined that the state can shut down a church events for covid fears while allowing movie theaters and casinos to remain open. They didn't even bother to write a majority opinion because there was no justification under the law.
 
The GOP will keep the Senate.The Dems will have to grin and Barrett.
eh this is not decided yet. this year is going to be crazy when it comes to the election.
 

I agree with you that he does have a tricky needle to thread. Politics is always a tricky thread but when you get an open seat on the supreme court, you would be absolutely stupid not filling it.

Most people do not think this way but there are people who will vote like this.

Can not stand Trump so I will vote for Biden. Can not tolerate Biden so I will vote for a REP representative. Let's see if Joe can really work across party lines.

This is what our nation historically does to limit power.
 
I think the senate was already lost. This could make it worse. There is nothing more Trump can do for conservatives. They got all their judges and don't have control of the house.

It's way past time for change.
 
All true, but it will be trump that costs them the Senate, when trump goes down they will be drug down with him. I will not miss any of them.
 
If you thing blm is a great hook to hang your hat on, you are sadly mistaken, in fact, they may have been a republican plant to ensure Trump's law and order plank in his platform.
Thanks for your support.

He’s stating he wont’ leave the WH unless he’s decared the winner. The Law and Order thing ain’t his thing.

You’re welcome for whatever imaginary thing you’re thanking me for.
 
He’s stating he wont’ leave the WH unless he’s decared the winner. The Law and Order thing ain’t his thing.

You’re welcome for whatever imaginary thing you’re thanking me for.
WTF are you babbling about?
 
The party that hid behind SCOTUS decisions for over a generation is heading to the fainting couches over Republican values?

Briar patch much?


Cheering on lying, cheating, and stealing? How Trumpist of you.
 

I do not think Donald Trump refraining from nominating Judge Coney Barret to the Supreme Court would have made one iota of difference. People are dissatisfied with Republican leadership in general and Donald Trump's inept administration hurts down-ballot Republican Senatorial candidates. I doubt people who are voting against Republicans are doing so solely because of McConnel's hypocrisy vis-a-vis Merrick Garland.
 
Yeah though i think the whole debacle shows some major flaws in how the court is treated.
 
Yeah though i think the whole debacle shows some major flaws in how the court is treated.
The flaws are in how the democrats treat the hearings. The only reason they are holding them at all is to force the media to put “ Prez in Waiting Harris on camera.
 
How senators react to the Barrett nomination will effect the outcome. Particularly, Susan Collins, will lose big if her vote is the one that keeps the judge of the court.
 
I agree with Eriech .

The Barrett choice is an attemt to try preserve Christian evangelical voting support but may not be enough given what Trump has said and done in the last 4 years.

Many of that Christian evangelical base may not come out to vote this time because they can not overlook what Trump has done, does and says. T

Trump is the epitome of someone who engages in profanity in its purest sense. He ridicules how precious and fragile life is and that has been seen in his Covid 19 behaviour and his disrespect for the lives of soldiers. To be so callous and reckless about the death of soldiers or human safety and then in the next breathy try cloak himself as a saviour of the unborn is as disconnected as any other message Trump gives out. The fat man calling people fat, the man speaking in disjointed, fractured babble calling Biden demented, a man who coughs and weezes while claiming he is immune to Covid, the man calling out neo nazis to stand by, now posing as a religious man not resonate as a Christian messiah, just another Satanic demon.
 
There's virtually nothing in your post that is in agreement with my thinking.
 
sadly, i agree, stacking the court is more important to him than maintaining the majority...he sees which way the wind is blowing, and his majority is in grave danger.
 
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