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Why Trump is a threat to US National Security

About... About | Indivisible (OP Source.)

"Action by action, day by day, group by group, Indivisibles are remaking our democracy.

Brought together by a practical guide to resist the Trump agenda, Indivisible is a movement of thousands of group leaders and more than a million members taking regular, iterative, and increasingly complex actions to resist the GOPs agenda, elect local champions, and fight for progressive policies.

They make calls. They show up. They speak with their neighbors. They organize. And through that work, they’ve built hundreds of mini-movements in support of their local values. And now, after practice, training, and repetition, they’ve built lasting power on their home turf and a massive, collective political muscle ready to be exercised each and every day in every corner of the country."
 
OrphanSlug said:
About... About | Indivisible (OP Source.)

"Action by action, day by day, group by group, Indivisibles are remaking our democracy.

Brought together by a practical guide to resist the Trump agenda, Indivisible is a movement of thousands of group leaders and more than a million members taking regular, iterative, and increasingly complex actions to resist the GOPs agenda, elect local champions, and fight for progressive policies.

They make calls. They show up. They speak with their neighbors. They organize. And through that work, they’ve built hundreds of mini-movements in support of their local values. And now, after practice, training, and repetition, they’ve built lasting power on their home turf and a massive, collective political muscle ready to be exercised each and every day in every corner of the country."
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They played a huge role in the dem takeover of the house in 2018, their manual was downloaded by millions, adapting many of the successful techniques used by the T party when repubs took over the house.

My hats off to them.
 
Lutherf said:
Does "I defer..." mean, "I like this opinion and choose to adopt it because forming my own opinions is hard.
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More like, "The question you are asking has been answered many times over, and here is an example of a good answer." :thumbs:
 
What's really the security risk is when Trump goes overseas to negotiate with foreign leaders and they're wondering if he's going to soon be deposed by the US political/media/military cabal.
 
Lutherf said:
Does "I defer..." mean, "I like this opinion and choose to adopt it because forming my own opinions is hard. Besides, this way I never have to be at risk of my own opinion being proved to be little more than fantasy."?
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Well, the website seems to be well researched and quite thorough, so I'd give them a higher eval than mere "opinion". where op eds merely touch upon one or two items.

No, I have formed opinions due to 40 years of concern, reading, attention to the subject and in about one and one half years since I joined this forum, I've posted over 10,000 comments and threads expressing those opinions, some of them quite detailed, at times chastising others for being lazy. Apparently, in your own laziness, you didn't bother to check.

The website did the work far more beautifully than I have ever done, and more complete.

That is why I deferred, and hold the research to conclusion I would probably have drawn, had i done that kind of research.

But, those guys are avidly involved, and I'm on the sidelines, noting having that kind of leisure time to do such things, so if someone else has done it better than I can do, on a particular subject, I'm going to refer to it.


In the annals of academic history and debate forums, references have been made without nary an attempt by onlookers besmirching someone for doing so.


So, if you don't mind, you can take your comment to Helen Waite, she's got some bad news for you, noting that you did nothing to rebut the items listed in the site or the premise of the OP itself ( in case rebutting the items on the site were 'hard' as you put it).


Cheers,

OL
 
lemmiwinx said:
What's really the security risk is when Trump goes overseas to negotiate with foreign leaders and they're wondering if he's going to soon be deposed by the US political/media/military cabal.
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If your logic is, given that presidents are continually negotiating with other nations, any attempt by Congress to provide overrsite is a security risk, is a point which is absurd not consistent with the constitution.

Yes, we are a transparent society in many respects, and lawful constitutional duties of government often are noticed by other nations, but such is unavoidable, but that doesn't mean the constitution should be set aside, far from it. let other nations see how we operate, and let other citizens of other repressive nations envy us, let us continue to be the beacon of freedom that we've been in the past, which is far more to our benefit as the liberal democracy we represent.


In other words, don't be an idiot.
 
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OscarLevant said:
Well, the website seems to be well researched and quite thorough, so I'd give them a higher eval than mere "opinion". where op eds merely touch upon one or two items.

No, I have formed opinions due to 40 years of concern, reading, attention to the subject and in about one and one half years since I joined this forum, I've posted over 10,000 comments and threads expressing those opinions, some of them quite detailed, at times chastising others for being lazy. Apparently, in your own laziness, you didn't bother to check.

The website did the work far more beautifully than I have ever done, and more complete.

That is why I deferred, and hold the research to conclusion I would probably have drawn, had i done that kind of research.

But, those guys are avidly involved, and I'm on the sidelines, noting having that kind of leisure time to do such things, so if someone else has done it better than I can do, on a particular subject, I'm going to refer to it.


In the annals of academic history and debate forums, references have been made without nary an attempt by onlookers besmirching someone for doing so.


So, if you don't mind, you can take your comment to Helen Waite, she's got some bad news for you, noting that you did nothing to rebut the items listed in the site or the premise of the OP itself ( in case rebutting the items on the site were 'hard' as you put it).


Cheers,

OL
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I'm an "equal justice" kind of guy so I gave the article as much attention as you did in the OP.
 
OscarLevant said:
Well, the website seems to be well researched and quite thorough, so I'd give them a higher eval than mere "opinion". where op eds merely touch upon one or two items.

No, I have formed opinions due to 40 years of concern, reading, attention to the subject and in about one and one half years since I joined this forum, I've posted over 10,000 comments and threads expressing those opinions, some of them quite detailed, at times chastising others for being lazy. Apparently, in your own laziness, you didn't bother to check.

The website did the work far more beautifully than I have ever done, and more complete.

That is why I deferred, and hold the research to conclusion I would probably have drawn, had i done that kind of research.

But, those guys are avidly involved, and I'm on the sidelines, noting having that kind of leisure time to do such things, so if someone else has done it better than I can do, on a particular subject, I'm going to refer to it.


In the annals of academic history and debate forums, references have been made without nary an attempt by onlookers besmirching someone for doing so.


So, if you don't mind, you can take your comment to Helen Waite, she's got some bad news for you, noting that you did nothing to rebut the items listed in the site or the premise of the OP itself ( in case rebutting the items on the site were 'hard' as you put it).


Cheers,

OL
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Their points are too stupid to qualify as "opinion".
 
Lutherf said:
I'm an "equal justice" kind of guy so I gave the article as much attention as you did in the OP.
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I read the entire article.


You're not making sense
 
apdst said:
You need to pick a source that isn't written by idiots.
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I should hardly think an idiotic comment such as yours could possibly be an arbiter of idiocy.
 
apdst said:
Their points are too stupid to qualify as "opinion".
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That's odd. Almost every comment I've seen by you is stupid.

Your comments remind me of the story of a guy who smells BO on everyone in the room noting that if he smells BO on everyone on the room he's probably the one who had BO.

(And that's a metaphor in case you get confused)
 
lemmiwinx said:
What's really the security risk is when Trump goes overseas to negotiate with foreign leaders and they're wondering if he's going to soon be deposed by the US political/media/military cabal.
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Actually, most of the world would be relieved, except for the Russians (“curses, foiled again!”)!!!!

No, right now foreign leaders know better than to bother trying to negotiate with Trump because they know his word is worthless and that he (and thus the US) can’t be trusted.
 
OscarLevant said:
I defer to the points raised here:



Donald Trump is a National Security Risk. Here’s the current #TrumpThreatLevel. | Indivisible
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I have never been in any doubt that Donald Trump is a serious threat to the national security of the United States. That is a blinding glimpse of the obvious.

I could spend several full posts detailing how and when.

None the less, when I clicked on About Us on the site, I did not learn about us. I didn’t learn anything.

All I saw was a site stuffed full of stories about this vulgar and corrupt man and the criminal administration he sits atop.

They aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know, including who “About US” is.

Rant about Trump, sign up to volunteer for unspecified duty, give money, and surrender your contact information.

And they’re a 501c4, so they don’t have to report where their money comes from.

Everyone here knows how I feel about Trump and the lunatic fringe that wags the flea bitten dog that is the national Republican these days.

But this sort of thing is the stuff I routinely call out right wingers for peddling, (and for repeating content from).
 
TomFitz said:
I have never been in any doubt that Donald Trump is a serious threat to the national security of the United States. That is a blinding glimpse of the obvious.

I could spend several full posts detailing how and when.

None the less, when I clicked on About Us on the site, I did not learn about us. I didn’t learn anything.

All I saw was a site stuffed full of stories about this vulgar and corrupt man and the criminal administration he sits atop.

They aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know, including who “About US” is.

Rant about Trump, sign up to volunteer for unspecified duty, give money, and surrender your contact information.

And they’re a 501c4, so they don’t have to report where their money comes from.

Everyone here knows how I feel about Trump and the lunatic fringe that wags the flea bitten dog that is the national Republican these days.

But this sort of thing is the stuff I routinely call out right wingers for peddling, (and for repeating content from).
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Indivisible group are the group that put out the pamphlet based on techniques used by the T party to put repubs in control of the house and got dems to adapt their successful methods, and they did a great job of it. Millions downloaded the pamphlet and put it to use.

They put together a huge grass roots campaign to unseat legislators across the land and are credited for helping dems take control of the house in 2018

AS a democrat, you should know who they are. Granted, their website needs work.

In the meantime....

Well, I picked one item from the long list, and fact checked it, it was the one where Russia and China are listening in to Trump's phone calls and he "doesn't care".


And I turned up this:

When Trump Phones Friends, the Chinese and the Russians Listen and Learn - The New York Times


Just on that one alone, Trump is a threat to national security. Surely there's enough substance to the article, despite the somewhat fringe ones listed, to still equal "national security threat".

No?

And this one:

Trump is considering privatizing to Erick Prince ( remember him? DeVos's bro ) the war in Afganistan

Even if advisors talk him out of it, the fact that he's considering it demonstrates egregious poor judgement, and this poor caliber of judgement, what
would happen if there were a serious crisis, one shudders to think ?

Officials worry Trump may back Erik Prince plan to privatize war in Afghanistan

Trump reportedly showing renewed interest in Erik Prince’s plan to privatize Afghanistan war - MarketWatch

Report: Trump Considering Plan to Privatize Much of War in Afghanistan

Hiring mercinaries to fight wars is a bad idea from the getgo.

I'm sure I could find more in the individual.org site which would validate the premise of this OP.

But.....I digress,


So, why don't you put up a web page, with your knowledge, and I will link to it on this forum.
 
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TomFitz said:
Actually, most of the world would be relieved, except for the Russians (“curses, foiled again!”)!!!!

No, right now foreign leaders know better than to bother trying to negotiate with Trump because they know his word is worthless and that he (and thus the US) can’t be trusted.
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Wonder why the Russians never meddled in US elections until Trump and Hillary came along. You think something about Hillary triggered them and they just had to get involved? Kidding everyone knows countries have been meddling in each other's elections since Roman times.
 
Trump at NATO back to his old saw of what NATO countries owe now claiming that they should pay for back years in arrears. He is just daffy. The 2% is THEIR spending levels for THEIR defense. They don't OWE anybody for some number in arrears for past years regarding the 2% of GDP number! What are they supposed to do, pay themselves the dif?

He is also back to claiming the percentage should be 4% which would be the equivalent of rearming Europe and most specifically rearming Germany which nobody with a brain, even the Germans thinks would be a good idea.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Wonder why the Russians never meddled in US elections until Trump and Hillary came along. You think something about Hillary triggered them and they just had to get involved? Kidding everyone knows countries have been meddling in each other's elections since Roman times.
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None on the scale that Russia is doing to the US.


That's the one point you seem to miss.

But, we're the good guys, so the question is, whose side are you on?
 
OscarLevant said:
None on the scale that Russia is doing to the US.

That's the one point you seem to miss.

But, we're the good guys, so the question is, whose side are you on?
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Keep believing Hillary lost to Trump because of Putin. Hope it helps you sleep at night.
 
lemmiwinx said:
What's really the security risk is when Trump goes overseas to negotiate with foreign leaders and they're wondering if he's going to soon be deposed by the US political/media/military cabal.
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He should be deposed. On a regular basis, on a variety of subjects. It's called oversight.

Foreign leaders are more concerned with whether what Trump says one day will hold true the next. He's not an honest negotiator. Forty years of stiffing sub-contactors makes that clear.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Keep believing Hillary lost to Trump because of Putin. Hope it helps you sleep at night.
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Hillary lost to Trump because of Interstate Crosscheck, Software created by Kris Kobach ( the voter supression king ) who partnered with 29 red states which purged 1.1 million voters from the voter registration rolls, and in the swing states, the purged count vastly exceeded the count Trump won by.

The Election Was Stolen - Here’s How... - Greg Palast


Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program - Wikipedia
 
OscarLevant said:
Hillary lost to Trump because of Interstate Crosscheck, Software created by Kris Kobach ( the voter supression king ) who partnered with 29 red states which purged 1.1 million voters from the voter registration rolls, and in the swing states, the purged count vastly exceeded the count Trump won by.

The Election Was Stolen - Here’s How... - Greg Palast


Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program - Wikipedia
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So all the voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania meant nothing? That's the electoral in action working to keep the US from becoming a third world nation.


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