Why the rest of the World should have a vote for the Presidency.

[Manc Skipper]

She's kind of got something here, we're all agog watching the car crash from afar, knowing we will be collateral damage.

" We're only halfway through, and I’m already sick of the US presidential race. As reality television goes, it’s a hackneyed format. The narrative is childish and simplistic. And if I want to watch a bunch of interchangeable thuggish white men and the occasional token minority making terrifying pronouncements to a pounding rock soundtrack, I’ll stick on a Tarantino film.
American commentators often point out that the whole two-year, multibillion-dollar pageant is a great way to distract the entire US electorate from the real-life daily process of democracy. Imagine how the rest of us feel. We’re not even allowed to vote and help decide which candidate gets to go home with all those fabulous prizes, which include a free plane and the largest military arsenal the world has ever known. What can I say? It’s America. They have high expectations. In Britain, whoever Rupert Murdoch picks is usually just excited to meet the Queen. ..."

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2016/02/why-rest-world-should-get-vote-greatest-reality-tv-show-earth-us-election

 

[Ntharotep]

Luckily we won that war for sovereignty and we get to keep it until one of our leaders rolls over and sells our country to the world.
I don't personally want the rest of the world electing my leaders any more than I want to elect theirs.
Especially if that country doesn't even get to vote for their own leaders...that means they are out of practice. Joke that.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

She's kind of got something here, we're all agog watching the car crash from afar, knowing we will be collateral damage.

" We're only halfway through, and I’m already sick of the US presidential race. As reality television goes, it’s a hackneyed format. The narrative is childish and simplistic. And if I want to watch a bunch of interchangeable thuggish white men and the occasional token minority making terrifying pronouncements to a pounding rock soundtrack, I’ll stick on a Tarantino film.
American commentators often point out that the whole two-year, multibillion-dollar pageant is a great way to distract the entire US electorate from the real-life daily process of democracy. Imagine how the rest of us feel. We’re not even allowed to vote and help decide which candidate gets to go home with all those fabulous prizes, which include a free plane and the largest military arsenal the world has ever known. What can I say? It’s America. They have high expectations. In Britain, whoever Rupert Murdoch picks is usually just excited to meet the Queen. ..."

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2016/02/why-rest-world-should-get-vote-greatest-reality-tv-show-earth-us-election

Actually, I agree that someday we will - and should - have a world government. Otherwise, it may prove unlikely that we as a species will be able to show the political will to address existential threats to human civilization such as global warming. But I don't think we'll see such a government in my lifetime, and - unfortunately - such a world government may not come without a great deal of bloodshed.

 

[clownboy]

She's kind of got something here, we're all agog watching the car crash from afar, knowing we will be collateral damage.

" We're only halfway through, and I’m already sick of the US presidential race. As reality television goes, it’s a hackneyed format. The narrative is childish and simplistic. And if I want to watch a bunch of interchangeable thuggish white men and the occasional token minority making terrifying pronouncements to a pounding rock soundtrack, I’ll stick on a Tarantino film.
American commentators often point out that the whole two-year, multibillion-dollar pageant is a great way to distract the entire US electorate from the real-life daily process of democracy. Imagine how the rest of us feel. We’re not even allowed to vote and help decide which candidate gets to go home with all those fabulous prizes, which include a free plane and the largest military arsenal the world has ever known. What can I say? It’s America. They have high expectations. In Britain, whoever Rupert Murdoch picks is usually just excited to meet the Queen. ..."

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2016/02/why-rest-world-should-get-vote-greatest-reality-tv-show-earth-us-election

Someone should inform her that presidential elections are once every FOUR years. Would have been good for her to have checked that before she posted to the world. :mrgreen:

 

[ARealConservative]

she doesn't seem like a very pleasant person to be around.

wonder if she would be open to Americans voting in her elections

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Actually, I agree that someday we will - and should - have a world government. Otherwise, it may prove unlikely that we as a species will be able to show the political will to address existential threats to human civilization such as global warming. But I don't think we'll see such a government in my lifetime, and - unfortunately - such a world government may not come without a great deal of bloodshed.

Thank god we don't have a world government to sink us with that false existential stinker. Let individual countries sink themselves if they want to fall for that balderdash.

 

[CanadaJohn]

As a Canadian, I neither expect nor would want any part of voting for the leadership of another country. That doesn't mean I'm not greatly interested both in the process and the outcome and yes, the person who occupies the Oval Office does have an impact on lives outside of America.

Considering the idiot my fellow Canadians just recently voted into the Prime Minister's office, I wouldn't wish their voting choices on any other country.

 

[lb_on_teh_cb]

a bunch of interchangeable thuggish white men....

hmmm

American commentators often point out that the whole two-year, multibillion-dollar pageant is a great way to distract the entire US electorate from the real-life daily process of democracy. Imagine how the rest of us feel. We’re not even allowed to vote and help decide......

thats too bad, i sure wanted to vote in your election

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Actually, I agree that someday we will - and should - have a world government. Otherwise, it may prove unlikely that we as a species will be able to show the political will to address existential threats to human civilization such as global warming. But I don't think we'll see such a government in my lifetime, and - unfortunately - such a world government may not come without a great deal of bloodshed.

No one wants a world government, it will never happen. Ever.

Besides, you need to think about who exactly is willing to commit violence for such an ideal, most western countries seem to oppose war as a reflex. Remember the United Kingdom had some idiot prime minister who believed that Nazi Germany only one of the Sudeten land and wasn't willing to fight over it. We have practically lost the wars in Afghanistan Iraq in Vietnam for lack of political will, so you need to ask yourself, who exactly is going to be committing this bloodbath for a one world government? Probably not anyone you'd enjoy living under their rule. The types of people who actually enjoy living in a western democracy, are not likely to wander outside there safe spaces, without their micro aggression warnings to actually fight the type of war you're proposing. So probably some hard right extremists are going to be the ones to bring about a world government in a bloodbath

 

[eohrnberger]

No one wants a world government, it will never happen. Ever.

Besides, you need to think about who exactly is willing to commit violence for such an ideal, most western countries seem to oppose war as a reflex. Remember the United Kingdom had some idiot prime minister who believed that Nazi Germany only one of the Sudeten land and wasn't willing to fight over it. We have practically lost the wars in Afghanistan Iraq in Vietnam for lack of political will, so you need to ask yourself, who exactly is going to be committing this bloodbath for a one world government? Probably not anyone you'd enjoy living under their rule. The types of people who actually enjoy living in a western democracy, are not likely to wander outside there safe spaces, without their micro aggression warnings to actually fight the type of war you're proposing. So probably some hard right extremists are going to be the ones to bring about a world government in a bloodbath

Hmm. I think there's a leader in Moscow and another in Beijing that might consider it.

Come to think of it, isn't that what ISIS and their Caliphate want to do?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Someone should inform her that presidential elections are once every FOUR years. Would have been good for her to have checked that before she posted to the world. :mrgreen:

The presidential is every four years, but you have national elections every two years. That is what she's referring to had you read on

 

[Erod]

Silly Brits just never know when they've been beaten.

Lost the Revolutionary War, saw their empire get reduced to a cold northern island, socialized itself into obscurity, then watched the Middle East pretty take it over culturally, and now can barely field an EPL team with more than a handful of locals.

And yet, the complaining never stops.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Thank god we don't have a world government to sink us with that false existential stinker. Let individual countries sink themselves if they want to fall for that balderdash.

Of course, of course! I forgot - the overwhelming majority of scientists around the world (and EVERY national science foundation on the planet) are ALL LYING! And it's only the "I-ain't-a-scientist" conservatives who really know the truth that there ain't no such thing as anthropogenic global warming! How silly of me to assume that I should take the word of the overwhelming majority of scientists over that of conservative intellectual giants such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck!

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Of course, of course! I forgot - the overwhelming majority of scientists around the world (and EVERY national science foundation on the planet) are ALL LYING! And it's only the "I-ain't-a-scientist" conservatives who really know the truth that there ain't no such thing as anthropogenic global warming! How silly of me to assume that I should take the word of the overwhelming majority of scientists over that of conservative intellectual giants such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck!

Yeah yeah yeah.

Guess you are so well read that you forgot to keep up with the little detail that the consensus nonsense was fabricated? Now debunked? And you do not have to be a scientist to figure it out, just a rational normal everyday kinda guy or girl that does a little reading, research, thinking on their own, independent thought, ever heard of it?

Know anything about the "Pause"? Ever wonder why the dire descriptions predicted by the models never approach being close to the reality? Know that the poles are melting on Mars similar to ours...and there are no cars on Mars, especially no SUVs, right? Certainly no human made CO2 ...or do you think there is? Maybe if a debunked study saying the overwhelming majority of scientists told you there were, you would believe it? But then, CO2 is a lagging indicator in any event, lagging anywhere between 200- 800 years behind the warming... that would mean about 50 years minimum before the Industrial Revolution all the way back to 550 years before the IR. Which would logically indicate to a thinking person that it just may be a naturally occurring event, yano?

Oh, but I am sure you have answers for all that... wait, wait, I hear it coming, the predictable response from the lemmings... Man, I can rely on all these wonderful scientists cause somebody told me I could/should.

Get off your sorry A and think for yourself once in a while.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Yeah yeah yeah.

Guess you are so well read that you forgot to keep up with the little detail that the consensus nonsense was fabricated? Now debunked? And you do not have to be a scientist to figure it out, just a rational normal everyday kinda guy or girl that does a little reading, research, thinking on their own, independent thought, ever heard of it?

Know anything about the "Pause"? Ever wonder why the dire descriptions predicted by the models never approach being close to the reality? Know that the poles are melting on Mars similar to ours...and there are no cars on Mars, especially no SUVs, right? Certainly no human made CO2 ...or do you think there is? Maybe if a debunked study saying the overwhelming majority of scientists told you there were, you would believe it? But then, CO2 is a lagging indicator in any event, lagging anywhere between 200- 800 years behind the warming... that would mean about 50 years minimum before the Industrial Revolution all the way back to 550 years before the IR. Which would logically indicate to a thinking person that it just may be a naturally occurring event, yano?

Oh, but I am sure you have answers for all that... wait, wait, I hear it coming, the predictable response from the lemmings... Man, I can rely on all these wonderful scientists cause somebody told me I could/should.

Get off your sorry A and think for yourself once in a while.

Yeah, yeah, I know, among the overwhelming majority of scientists on the planet, none of them know how to think for themselves, and it's only the American "I'm-not-a-scientist-but-I-know-better-than-the-scientists" conservatives who really know what happened.

BTW, when you refer to the pause, has it ever occurred to you to look beyond that now-ended twelve-year stretch when the worldwide temperature DID go up, but not as much as predicted? Because if you looked at the rise from, say, 1900 (or even 1950) until now, you'd see that *gasp*, there really IS a "hockey stick" of temperature rise. In other words, your precious "pause" is nothing more than a classic example of statistical cherry-picking without going through the due diligence of looking at the WHOLE story.

It's freaking incredible - y'all have zero problem accepting the science when it comes to everything from general relativity to the ozone holes to quantum entanglement...but when it comes to global warming, well, THAT can't be right, huh?

 

[Soho gator]

It will take another couple of centuries but eventually we will have a one world govt perhaps administered by the UN. the cost synergies alone would be huge.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Yeah yeah yeah.

Guess you are so well read that you forgot to keep up with the little detail that the consensus nonsense was fabricated? Now debunked? And you do not have to be a scientist to figure it out, just a rational normal everyday kinda guy or girl that does a little reading, research, thinking on their own, independent thought, ever heard of it?

Know anything about the "Pause"? Ever wonder why the dire descriptions predicted by the models never approach being close to the reality? Know that the poles are melting on Mars similar to ours...and there are no cars on Mars, especially no SUVs, right? Certainly no human made CO2 ...or do you think there is? Maybe if a debunked study saying the overwhelming majority of scientists told you there were, you would believe it? But then, CO2 is a lagging indicator in any event, lagging anywhere between 200- 800 years behind the warming... that would mean about 50 years minimum before the Industrial Revolution all the way back to 550 years before the IR. Which would logically indicate to a thinking person that it just may be a naturally occurring event, yano?

Oh, but I am sure you have answers for all that... wait, wait, I hear it coming, the predictable response from the lemmings... Man, I can rely on all these wonderful scientists cause somebody told me I could/should.

Get off your sorry A and think for yourself once in a while.

Oh, and one more thing - I used to be a strong conservative...until the rise of the Religious Right, until I watched the Right laugh with glee while Oliver North obviously lied through his teeth under oath about selling missiles to Iran. Even today, who's the frontrunner in the GOP? Trump...even after he's been caught in lie after lie after lie, even after he called for all Muslims to be registered (just as Jews were under the Nazis). The Right has gone insane, and is plainly willing to vote for whoever's the most outrageous liar among all the candidates.

I loved Reagan - I really did - and George H.W. Bush was a very good president in his own right...but neither one of them would stand a chance in today's GOP. Reagan once said that he didn't leave the Democratic party, but that the Democratic party left him...and I understand just what he meant, because today's GOP is MUCH farther to the Right than it was in his day, than it was when I was a Republican. I didn't leave the GOP - the GOP left me.

You refer to "independent thought". Sir, it takes independent thought to leave the political party one was raised in and believed in. It takes not only independent thought, but courage to stand before one's whole birth family and reject the political beliefs they held so dear. In other words, one of us does indeed practice independent thought...and it ain't you.

 

[lb_on_teh_cb]

It will take another couple of centuries but eventually we will have a one world govt perhaps administered by the UN. the cost synergies alone would be huge.

it wont even take that. i was thinking next 10 years maybe 20 years max.

what do you think dissolving the southern U.S. border and shoving a bunch of "migrants" into europe is about?

agree that savings in $$$ would be large, less police, no military
easier for manufacturers of products because they dont need to follow 100+ diff countries regulations

but......we already have govt that thinks its out of reach of the voter, just wait until one world govt

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Silly Brits just never know when they've been beaten.

Lost the Revolutionary War, saw their empire get reduced to a cold northern island, socialized itself into obscurity, then watched the Middle East pretty take it over culturally, and now can barely field an EPL team with more than a handful of locals.

And yet, the complaining never stops.

What an incredible example of historical ignorance.

Sir, ALL empires eventually fall. For five centuries England had the greatest empire the world had ever seen - it was they who stood before Napoleon, before the Spanish Armada. It was their Magna Carta which formed the basis for our own Constitution. In both world wars, their intelligence services were without peer. Hell, England's forgotten more about ruling an empire than we've yet learned.

When America's held the title for five centuries, THEN we can talk...but not before.

 

[Gaius46]

Actually, I agree that someday we will - and should - have a world government. Otherwise, it may prove unlikely that we as a species will be able to show the political will to address existential threats to human civilization such as global warming. But I don't think we'll see such a government in my lifetime, and - unfortunately - such a world government may not come without a great deal of bloodshed.

World government is probably inevitable. Ever increasing complexity appears to be built into the fabric of nature. We've gone from city states to national governments to empires. World government seems a natural extension of that.

 

[Grand Mal]

As a Canadian, I neither expect nor would want any part of voting for the leadership of another country. That doesn't mean I'm not greatly interested both in the process and the outcome and yes, the person who occupies the Oval Office does have an impact on lives outside of America.

Considering the idiot my fellow Canadians just recently voted into the Prime Minister's office, I wouldn't wish their voting choices on any other country.

But your buddy Ford wasn't on the ticket. Maybe next time...

 

[Grand Mal]

Silly Brits just never know when they've been beaten.

Lost the Revolutionary War, saw their empire get reduced to a cold northern island, socialized itself into obscurity, then watched the Middle East pretty take it over culturally, and now can barely field an EPL team with more than a handful of locals.

And yet, the complaining never stops.

It's a joke. The 'prize package' should have been a clue.

 

[Grand Mal]

Luckily we won that war for sovereignty and we get to keep it until one of our leaders rolls over and sells our country to the world.
I don't personally want the rest of the world electing my leaders any more than I want to elect theirs.
Especially if that country doesn't even get to vote for their own leaders...that means they are out of practice. Joke that.

D'ya think maybe the OP is a joke? I mean... 'help decide which candidate gets to go home with all those fabulous prizes, which include a free plane and the largest military arsenal the world has ever known'.

 

[lb_on_teh_cb]

D'ya think maybe the OP is a joke? I mean... 'help decide which candidate gets to go home with all those fabulous prizes, which include a free plane and the largest military arsenal the world has ever known'.

nothing would surprise me any more these days

 

[countryboy]

She's kind of got something here, we're all agog watching the car crash from afar, knowing we will be collateral damage.

" We're only halfway through, and I’m already sick of the US presidential race. As reality television goes, it’s a hackneyed format. The narrative is childish and simplistic. And if I want to watch a bunch of interchangeable thuggish white men and the occasional token minority making terrifying pronouncements to a pounding rock soundtrack, I’ll stick on a Tarantino film.
American commentators often point out that the whole two-year, multibillion-dollar pageant is a great way to distract the entire US electorate from the real-life daily process of democracy. Imagine how the rest of us feel. We’re not even allowed to vote and help decide which candidate gets to go home with all those fabulous prizes, which include a free plane and the largest military arsenal the world has ever known. What can I say? It’s America. They have high expectations. In Britain, whoever Rupert Murdoch picks is usually just excited to meet the Queen. ..."

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2016/02/why-rest-world-should-get-vote-greatest-reality-tv-show-earth-us-election

That's about as stupid as it gets