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Why the Dems are terrified of Carly [W:136]

The "two-party system" we currently have in America has forever been corrupted and damaged beyond repair.

The people these two parties end up nominating are far from the best possible choices to run this country and the consistent downward spiral of our nation is all the proof needed to justify everything I've stated.

And guess what, the next president ain't gonna fix squat-diddly. Regardless of which party the next president comes from.

Why should they when people call them "morons" and "douche bags?"

<<And guess what, the next president ain't gonna fix squat-diddly. Regardless of which party the next president comes from.>>
That's not really evident. Obama greatly improved access to health care, which is big.
 
Seen the video and read much on the videos, this subject and investigations in too them and I stand by my statement. Weird you think I didn't see the video or know the nonsense she was talking about.

Assertions without foundation are your stock in trade.
 
I'm pretty surprised you went there because Obama had similar experience and many people said that that wasn't good enough experience. Republicans sometimes refer to themselves as "party of Lincoln"...

You will find no post of mine criticizing BHO on that basis.
 
I beg to differ polgara:



Forget what Trump says about her face. Fiorina's HP past is the issue - Sep. 10, 2015

Further, she implemented changes that destroyed the culture of HP.


And...



Carly Fiorina: Presidential ambitions follow a terrible record at HP - Business Insider

I can find no reference to her saving jobs. Maybe you have something I missed?

Good morning, Gina. :2wave:

I was remembering what the buzz was at the company I worked for at the time it was happening, and how the women were so angry at the way she was being treated. HP hired her to do the job of reversing their slow slide into insolvency, since she had done so well at Lucent. Yes, she changed the culture at HP, but that's what she was hired to do.

She was at HP for six years, and acquiring Compac in her third year as CEO was a very big deal, which some of the older Board members weren't happy with. Turned out that it changed HP for the better, but it was a calculated move on her part at the time, since acquisitions and mergers aren't always successful, as you know. Today it is being called the "merger that worked" by financial experts on Wall Street. It is true that streamlining the company resulted in layoffs, but that's not unusual.

When I referred to "saving jobs" in my post, what I meant was keeping the company from bankruptcy, where everyone loses. We saw that happen recently when Hostess Brands, which makes Wonder Bread and twinkies, among other things, was forced to file bankruptcy because the bakers wouldn't agree with the other workers at Hostess to changes the company needed to save itself, and everyone lost their job as a result. It may have been a bluff on the part of the bakers, but that calculated risk didn't work out, so it was a hollow victory that made them very unpopular with the other workers, who now didn't have a job either. Such is life.

Re outsourcing to other countries, we heard at the time that she was fighting that, but I don't know the outcome, since I no longer own HP stock in my IRA, and haven't kept up on what they're doing. It's interesting to me to read the pros and cons today about something that happened 10 years ago, but the letter recently sent from HP basically said she did a good job as CEO. That could have been a wise PR move from Meg Whitman, the current CEO, though, since no company ever wants bad publicity - it affects share price! :mrgreen:
 
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Assertions without foundation are your stock in trade.

Correct, I invest in them for my entertainment and you never fail to deliver. This is why I bank on your posts being nothing but assertions without foundation just like your failed and false racism post. HAHAHA You never let me down and then when asked to support your assertions you never can. Feel free to prove us wrong then, please provide the proof that what she said and how she said is true and accurate because it's simply not. It will be GREAT watching you try though and getting **** on boots :)
 
Good morning, Gina. :2wave:

I was remembering what the buzz was at the company I worked for at the time it was happening, and how the women were so angry at the way she was being treated. HP hired her to do the job of reversing their slow slide into insolvency, since she had done so well at Lucent. Yes, she changed the culture at HP, but that's what she was hired to do.

She was at HP for six years, and acquiring Compac in her third year as CEO was a very big deal, which some of the older Board members weren't happy with. Turned out that it changed HP for the better, but it was a calculated move on her part at the time, since acquisitions and mergers aren't always successful, as you know. Today it is being called the "merger that worked" by financial experts on Wall Street. It is true that streamlining the company resulted in layoffs, but that's not unusual.

When I referred to "saving jobs" in my post, what I meant was keeping the company from bankruptcy, where everyone loses. We saw that happen recently when Hostess Brands, which makes Wonder Bread and twinkies, among other things, was forced to file bankruptcy because the bakers wouldn't agree with the other workers at Hostess to changes the company needed to save itself, and everyone lost their job as a result. It may have been a bluff on the part of the bakers, but that calculated risk didn't work out, so it was a hollow victory that made them very unpopular with the other workers, who now didn't have a job either. Such is life.

Re outsourcing to other countries, we heard at the time that she was fighting that, but I don't know the outcome, since I no longer own HP stock in my IRA, and haven't kept up on what they're doing. It's interesting to me to read the pros and cons today about something that happened 10 years ago, but the letter recently sent from HP basically said she did a good job as CEO. That could have been a wise PR move from Meg Whitman, the current CEO, though, since no company ever wants bad publicity - it affects share price! :mrgreen:

Again, I beg to differ. Her records at both HP and Lucent have been judged as terrible. The Compaq deal has been judged as a terrible deal miring HP in a computer business with low end, cheap units which ended up being a drag on the company. My post you just replied to, contained a two quotes at just how bad her record at HP was. The company lost value, the stockholders lost value and she cut an unprecedented (to that point in history) number of jobs.
HP shares sold for about $100 at the time Fiorina took the corner office in Palo Alto, California, in 1999. When she left in 2005, they could be had for 20 bucks.
Carly Fiorina Fact Check: She Did Double Sales At HP But The Price Was Profits, 30,000 Layoffs, Shareholder Value And Her Own Job

Clearly, the company was not headed down the drain when she took over with a stock price like that and during Platt's tenure, the stock split many times.

The purchase of Compaq was bitterly fought by Walter Hewlett, son of one of the founders of HP. Not just an "older board member".

The company was not headed towards bankruptcy before she took over and I will concede it was not headed there under her tenure either. I cannot find a source commenting that she did save jobs.

You are absolutely right about Meg Whitman's comments about Carly's tenure as HP's CEO. She's protecting the brand.

My posts about this are directed towards her, polgara, and not you. She was a disaster as CEO of HP and the idea of her trading on the claim it was a "success", is nauseating.
 
The "two-party system" we currently have in America has forever been corrupted and damaged beyond repair.

The people these two parties end up nominating are far from the best possible choices to run this country and the consistent downward spiral of our nation is all the proof needed to justify everything I've stated.

And guess what, the next president ain't gonna fix squat-diddly. Regardless of which party the next president comes from.

The people who think the politicians running are "morons" and "douche bags" ought to stop throwing garbage at others...and run for office themselves. Then they can show how altruistic they are...and give us all a lesson in how things should be done!
 
Correct, I invest in them for my entertainment and you never fail to deliver. This is why I bank on your posts being nothing but assertions without foundation just like your failed and false racism post. HAHAHA You never let me down and then when asked to support your assertions you never can. Feel free to prove us wrong then, please provide the proof that what she said and how she said is true and accurate because it's simply not. It will be GREAT watching you try though and getting **** on boots :)

Already presented in #67. QED.
 
My bad... I forgot that when a liberal in the media like Mika goes off the plantation and judges a person based on their actions and their character, rather than basing it on the "D" behind their name like Mika did with Hillary, they are ostracized by the left and their opinions are rendered invalid.

Carry on.

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Thanks. I was debating whether or not I could continue to post here, but your permission makes it possible. :lamo
 


"As for Fiorina’s quote, she is likely referring to the entirety of the 10 videos, including the seventh video released by the Center for Medical Progress. Watch the full video for yourself. It does, in fact, show a fully formed fetus, heart beating and legs kicking. And it shows this while Holly O’Donnell, a former organ harvester who worked for StemExpress at a Planned Parenthood affiliate, graphically discuss the harvesting of a brain from a baby whose heart was beating."

- See more at: Carly Fiorina Nails Stephanopoulos on Planned Parenthood: Watch the Tapes


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2 days ago - Carly Fiorina Nails Stephanopoulos on Planned Parenthood: Watch the Tapes ... who are still defending Planned Parenthood have watched those tapes.” ... out at the time that the stock pricedropped more than 50 percent on ...

What is the point of this, Jack?

Hitler wrote Mein Kampf and i bet conservatives haven't seen it. Nothing like a good ole' dose of faux outrage to demonize your opponent with.

Some group released a video. The video contains audio from someone who never worked at planned parenthood. Are you mad yet? No? Well there was a helpless little baby! And she wanted to eat the babies stem cells so she could live forever!

Good thing Carly knows how to lead the American people through the issues that matter most.
 
What is the point of this, Jack?

Hitler wrote Mein Kampf and i bet conservatives haven't seen it. Nothing like a good ole' dose of faux outrage to demonize your opponent with.

Some group released a video. The video contains audio from someone who never worked at planned parenthood. Are you mad yet? No? Well there was a helpless little baby! And she wanted to eat the babies stem cells so she could live forever!

Good thing Carly knows how to lead the American people through the issues that matter most.

The claim was made that Fiorina's statement was inaccurate. My point was to refute that claim.
 
For you to suggest that the Republican candidates are talking substance...and the Dems talking platitudes is ludicrous.

The "debates" have shown the GOP candidates to be alarmingly lacking in substance!



And this is based on what?

You don't consider illegal aliens "sustance"? Crime filled jails? Under employment, costly health care.....those are what? yard waste.

You're rattling my notices to post your usual pablum, deny and use stretched vocabulary with words like "ludicrous"

No one has seen a comment on the real issues from one your clowns in weeks.

Show me where Hilar even declares illegal immigration is an issue, over croweded prisons for pot possession.....and ONE of your court clowns to have addresssed any of the major items Fionrina did in that clip

You can't

I don't think you even read the threads


The dare is on. In this campaign, find me ONE democratic front runner who has even addressed illegal immigration.

Don't EVER try to suggest my posts are without substance when yoo can't post mopre than two ****ing sentences, have never posted a citation and are bait like the above
 
Again, I beg to differ. Her records at both HP and Lucent have been judged as terrible. The Compaq deal has been judged as a terrible deal miring HP in a computer business with low end, cheap units which ended up being a drag on the company. My post you just replied to, contained a two quotes at just how bad her record at HP was. The company lost value, the stockholders lost value and she cut an unprecedented (to that point in history) number of jobs.
Carly Fiorina Fact Check: She Did Double Sales At HP But The Price Was Profits, 30,000 Layoffs, Shareholder Value And Her Own Job

Clearly, the company was not headed down the drain when she took over with a stock price like that and during Platt's tenure, the stock split many times.

The purchase of Compaq was bitterly fought by Walter Hewlett, son of one of the founders of HP. Not just an "older board member".

The company was not headed towards bankruptcy before she took over and I will concede it was not headed there under her tenure either. I cannot find a source commenting that she did save jobs.

You are absolutely right about Meg Whitman's comments about Carly's tenure as HP's CEO. She's protecting the brand.

My posts about this are directed towards her, polgara, and not you. She was a disaster as CEO of HP and the idea of her trading on the claim it was a "success", is nauseating.

Sorry it took me so long to respond, but I got an invite to lunch, and took it! :thumbs: After reading your post, I started reading up on HP - something I had not done before and it took quite a while - I had no reason to have any interest in either her or HP, and if Fiorina wasn't running as a candidate in the 2016 election, I doubt many others would have either. For one thing, I was astonished at the number of acquisitions that HP made during Fiorina's term as CEO! Surely she had Board approval to do this, since the company was spending lots of money gobbling up smaller businesses which they must have thought would add to HP's bottom line.

I read that she was forced to resign because of "declining stock values, disappointing earnings, disagreements about the company's performance, and her resistance to transferring authority to division heads." Well, that answered my question about why she was ousted - the usual reasons why CEO's are fired! :mrgreen:

In any event, my candidate choice this election is Kasich, my Governor in Ohio, who has done a great job for us. Both parties liked him enough in the recent midterms to give him a landslide victory, winning in 86 out of 88 Ohio counties. He is a good man, not a blowhard or a pompous ass, and he has earned our respect.

BTW, love your shoe pics! :thumbs:
 
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The claim was made that Fiorina's statement was inaccurate. My point was to refute that claim.

Her claim is inaccurate.

Pulitzer prize winning politifact rates her statement "Mostly False" because it is obvious they are using stock footage linked to audio of one woman's testimony. The footage does not depict what Planned Parenthood has alleged to have done. It was used to sensationalize the message and produce fake outrage.

This is actually what Chris Wallace was challenging. And this view has been vindicated by every reputable source.
 
And this is based on what?

You don't consider illegal aliens "sustance"? Crime filled jails? Under employment, costly health care.....those are what? yard waste.

You're rattling my notices to post your usual pablum, deny and use stretched vocabulary with words like "ludicrous"

No one has seen a comment on the real issues from one your clowns in weeks.

Show me where Hilar even declares illegal immigration is an issue, over croweded prisons for pot possession.....and ONE of your court clowns to have addresssed any of the major items Fionrina did in that clip

You can't

I don't think you even read the threads


The dare is on. In this campaign, find me ONE democratic front runner who has even addressed illegal immigration.

Easy on, Canada.

I stand by what I said.

For you to suggest that the Republican candidates are talking substance...and the Dems talking platitudes is ludicrous.

The "debates" have shown the GOP candidates to be alarmingly lacking in substance!

The Republicans spent as much time talking about Donald Trump's characterization of Carly Fiorina's face as they did about anything of substance.

"Illegal immigration" is not nearly the problem the Republicans are making it...and I think it makes a hell of a lot of sense for Democratic politicians not to act as ill-advisedly as Republican politicians on the issue.

Getting elected is an important part of being a politician...and if the GOP guys are not really interested in getting elected...that does not mean the Dems should follow suit.


Don't EVER try to suggest my posts are without substance when yoo can't post mopre than two ****ing sentences, have never posted a citation and are bait like the above

One...that was an horrendously composed sentence.

Two...I have NEVER suggested your posts are without substance. I have suggested what you said in the post to which I responded...is ludicrous...which, in my opinion, it is. (Since you asked me, allow me to ask you: You do read what is written, correct?)

Lastly...if I ever do suggest your posts are without substance...what are you planning to do about it?
 
Her claim is inaccurate.

Pulitzer prize winning politifact rates her statement "Mostly False" because it is obvious they are using stock footage linked to audio of one woman's testimony. The footage does not depict what Planned Parenthood has alleged to have done. It was used to sensationalize the message and produce fake outrage.

This is actually what Chris Wallace was challenging. And this view has been vindicated by every reputable source.

Absolutely correct!
 
Her claim is inaccurate.

Pulitzer prize winning politifact rates her statement "Mostly False" because it is obvious they are using stock footage linked to audio of one woman's testimony. The footage does not depict what Planned Parenthood has alleged to have done. It was used to sensationalize the message and produce fake outrage.

This is actually what Chris Wallace was challenging. And this view has been vindicated by every reputable source.

Sorry, but they are challenging things Fiorina never said. Her statement was accurate; she chose her words with care and precision. She never claimed, for example, that the footage she referenced illustrated any claim against PP.
 
Sorry, but no.

Absolutely correct.

Fiorina WAS talking about PP...and injected that comment.

It was a fabrication.

She had some valid points...but like politicians are wont to do...she went a step too far.
 
Absolutely correct.

Fiorina WAS talking about PP...and injected that comment.

It was a fabrication.

She had some valid points...but like politicians are wont to do...she went a step too far.

Sorry, but you are an imprecise listener while she is a very precise speaker. She made no statement inconsistent with the videos she referenced.
 
Sorry, but you are an imprecise listener while she is a very precise speaker. She made no statement inconsistent with the videos she referenced.

I am not an imprecise listener...and anyone listening knew what she was saying and implying.

Her comments would not have made sense if she had told the truth about the situation...because it would have been nothing more than a colossal non sequitur.
 
I am not an imprecise listener...and anyone listening knew what she was saying and implying.

Her comments would not have made sense if she had told the truth about the situation...because it would have been nothing more than a colossal non sequitur.

Sorry, but the non sequitur is yours. Please identify an inaccurate statement or cease your attack without foundation.
 
Sorry, but the non sequitur is yours. Please identify an inaccurate statement or cease your attack without foundation.

Ahhh...the crux of our problem, Jack. You have mistaken me for someone you can order to do what you want me to do.

Sorry, but that is not how things work.

Fiorina was lying with that "PP video" nonsense. Lying takes many forms...and she was engaging in a direct example of lying.

In any case, back to the actual topic of the thread. If the Dems (or any others) are "terrified" of Carly Fiorina (or Donald Trump)...it is because the are terrified of what will happen to our country and the world if accidentally either of those people attain the nation's highest office.

Fiorina, Trump...and several others on that stage last Wednesday night...are frightening jokes in this context.
 
Really? That's not what Holly O’Donnell, the ex-StemExpress procurement technician who worked at Planned Parenthood said.

Are you calling her a liar? If so, I hope you have something to support that accusation.

She is not only a liar, but a proven liar
 
Apparently you aren't reading all the posts in this thread either. For example this one:
That proves the Fiorina was lying.


There is such a thing as respect for the dead for one thing. There's also respect for the unborn and for children. Defend those who can't defend themselves.

How cold a heart you must have. I kinda thought that these things would be kinda universal among caring humans, and not descend into 'what's good for me, and screw you'. But to each their own I guess.

Carly is right. This goes to the character of the nation.

I noticed you edited out my question and failed to respond to it. Let's see if you'll respond to it when I ask a 2nd time

Why is it abhorrent to use fetal tissue for medical research but not abhorrent to use the tissue of dead children for medical research? Is there a difference between unborn children and born children?
 
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