Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?[W:1258]

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Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Really?

Can you cite the particular conservative platform item that calls for third world wages in the US?

I can point to a heck of a lot of posts by people on this forum that post their lean as being conservative who claim that we shouldn't have a minimum wage.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Why would one advocate any wage above one that the market would support naturally?

 

[imagep]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Why would one advocate any wage above one that the market would support naturally?

Why would one advocate against anything that would result in a better economy, increased wealth production, a better standard of living for everyone, less deficit spending, more tax revenue, and fewer people on welfare?

 

[vasuderatorrent]

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I'm sorry, but what? The most "creative, innovative, industrious, productive, prosperous, and generous nation the world had ever known"?

Having both lived in other countries myself, and knowing many non-Americans in real life and who are DP posters, that is blatantly false.

She is talking about the time period 1776 from 1876. Those were the booming years for the United States of America. Part of that success has to be because there was heavy use of slave labor during that time period. Maybe AlbqOwl has a different idea on what prosperity is. It's very odd. :shrug:

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Why would one advocate against anything that would result in a better economy, increased wealth production, a better standard of living for everyone, less deficit spending, more tax revenue, and fewer people on welfare?

Just answer the question...

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

AGAIN, as long as a CONservatives 'says it', it must be true right? PLEASE give me a couple of examples of CONservatives economic policy working ANYWHERE,. EVER? For anyone but the top 1%?

AlbqOwl pointed out the first 100 years of our country. Slave labor made the top 1% very wealthy. Maybe would could copy the policies that our founding fathers envisioned in 1776. Free labor is the key to a great economy. Maybe we can be almost as good with very low wages. :shrug:

 

[imagep]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Just answer the question...

Because organizations need to be managed, and without management they don't always result in the best results.

Now answer my question.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Because organizations need to be managed, and without management they don't always result in the best results.

Now answer my question.

What does effective management of an organization have to do with government interference in wages?

 

[Jack Hays]

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The conservatives love to say get your ass to work and take care of yourself. They love to call people takers and leeches yet they are against raising the minimum wage the very thing that would get people off food stamps by the thousands. Way too many time conservatives are against the problem and the cure and this is a prime example. Why is it so hard for conservative to put the blame on companies like Wal-Mart who under pays and thousands of their workers have to get food stamps to make up for it instead of the poor people who get low wages and a non 40 hour work week. I don't seem to hear you conservatives bitching about that. Just wondering why?

There's nothing to complain about. Wal-Mart's business model enables them to offer prices low income consumers can afford.eace

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I can point to a heck of a lot of posts by people on this forum that post their lean as being conservative who claim that we shouldn't have a minimum wage.

Ummm...yeah...

What does that have to do with any conservative platform calling for third world wages in the US?

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Because organizations need to be managed, and without management they don't always result in the best results.

Now answer my question.

Your questions have nothing to do with the real value of labor's contribution to an economy...

 

[imagep]

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What does effective management of an organization have to do with government interference in wage?

The US economy is an organization, and the US government manages it. sometimes correctly, sometimes it does a horrible job. That determination depends on if you belong to the same party that whoever happens to be POTUS does.

 

[Mycroft]

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YES, IT'S CALLED MARKET CONDITIONS. LOOK TO YOUR CLOSEST 3RD WORLD NEIGHBORS WITHOUT A STRONG GV'T INFLUENCE ON WAGES


Mexico sound familiar?

Your speculation does not equal a fact that there is a conservative platform item that calls for third world wages in the US.

 

[imagep]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Your questions have nothing to do with the real value of labor's contribution to an economy...

Neither did yours.

 

[imagep]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Your speculation does not equal a fact that there is a conservative platform item that calls for third world wages in the US.

No, but my observation does.

 

[vasuderatorrent]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Why would one advocate any wage above one that the market would support naturally?

I can tell you the answer but you would probably understand it better if you made a guess as to why someone would want to do something like that.

Do you have any theories of why someone would advocate a wage above what the market would support naturally? Do you have any guesses whatsoever?

We can tell you answers so that you can say, "but but but but but what about this?" or "but but but but what about that?" That would just be obnoxious for all parties involved. Use your imagination and come up with some ideas on your own. You will appreciate the answer better if it comes from your own head. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[AlabamaPaul]

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The US economy is an organization, and the US government manages it. sometimes correctly, sometimes it does a horrible job. That determination depends on if you belong to the same party that whoever happens to be POTUS does.

No, the US economy works best without perceived management by our federal government. When a wage is dictated, it doesn't take into account productivity nor the ability of the consumer to support said wage...

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I can tell you the answer but you would probably understand it better if you made a guess as to why someone would want to do something like that.

Do you have any theories of why someone would advocate a wage above what the market would support naturally? Do you have any guesses whatsoever?

We can tell you answers so that you can say, "but but but but but what about this?" or "but but but but what about that?" That would just be obnoxious for all parties involved. Use your imagination and come up with some ideas on your own. You will appreciate the answer better if it comes from your own head. Wouldn't you agree?

Is there a point somewhere in your post? If you'd like to make one, feel free to do so...

 

[AlbqOwl]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Then why does Walmart have entire programs to educate its employees on how to get state and federal welfare as part of working at Walmart?



May because the Federal government believes it is more responsible for individuals and companies to take care of themselves rather than rely on tax payer dollars or thievery from insurance pools? I find it amusing how people who are pro-business are anti-ACA when the ACA seeks to reduce theft of insurance dollars from businesses.



Unlikely. Walmart is dependent upon really cheap labor. As an economy grows, people with better prospects leave and Walmart replaces them with new workers. Raising wages is the last thing they want to do as its primary to their whole business model. Your argument ignores how Walmart actually functions in generating its revenue. Your approach is purely ideological rather than operational. Bestbuy tried this, they axed all of their expensive sales associates to hire minimum wage idiots. But the difference is that tech requires intelligence where selling paper towels does not. Walmart does not need skilled workers in any sense for the lion's share of their needs. Hence why even in a good economy will they will not raises wages as there will always be sufficient workers with no real skills who will take the low paying jobs that require welfare to survive. The free market does work well, but it does not solve all problems.

Your arguments are falling apart because you aren't first seeking to understand the operational nuances of Walmart. You're purely looking at a top down big ideological view. Hence why you're missing key details and it shows.

My arguments may be falling apart. But it isnt your argument that has challenged them. I'm still on an agreeing to disagree mode and hope you will respect that.

 

[Slyhunter]

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Why aren't you working for a dollar a day? Are you that much smarter than those making minimum wage?

I transport Medicaid and Medicare patients to their medical appointments. No college degree required.

 

[AlbqOwl]

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I wasn't. I was saying that the government should eliminate food stamps, Earned Income Credit, Child Tax Credit and stuff like that. Does that make any sense to you?

Well, if you make that the federal government, for the most part we're probably on the same page then.

 

[Mycroft]

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You mean SS keeping 50% of seniors is 'failure'. Medicare which 99% of seniors use, and will NEVER give up, is also failure

Medicare

"in 1964, nearly half of all seniors were uninsured, making the elderly among the least likely Americans to have health insurance."

http://media.jsonline.com/documents/Medicare2000.pdf

TAX RATES? PAY OFF YOUR DEBTS DAMMIT!

Of course seniors won't give those things up. After making them dependent on those programs, the liberals have insured that. But what the liberals can't ensure is that those programs will survive without sucking more out of the economy, making less people independent of those programs or increasing dependency programs across the board.

Yeah...I'd call that pretty crappy stuff.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

No, but my observation does.

No...you are speculating as well.

 

[obvious Child]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

My arguments may be falling apart. But it isnt your argument that has challenged them. I'm still on an agreeing to disagree mode and hope you will respect that.

Perhaps so, but you can only see so much from a big picture. When dealing with specific firms, it's more or less required to get into how they operate. I admire Walmart in how they have streamlined a huge number of processes down from supplier to cashier so much so that companies like Toyota are emulating them, but it does not change how their business model relies on very cheap labor. Objectively speaking, Walmart has no incentive to raise wages for the bulk of its employees regardless of how well the economy is doing. Similar to how Costco could raises its prices but chooses not to. Their business model is the structure that defines their function. We often tend to look at the economy at a big level picture, but within it, there are radically different systems of how businesses work. It's rarely the best option to paint with a country sized brush.

 

[imagep]

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No, the US economy works best without perceived management by our federal government. When a wage is dictated, it doesn't take into account productivity nor the ability of the consumer to support said wage...

is that why countries like Somolia are such desireable places to live and are getting investors like crazy from around the world?

And maybe thats why those quazi socialist countries like Denmark and Sweden have such horrible economies. And Australia, with their $16/hr minimum wage, life must be horrible there.

I understand your theory, but it doesn't hold water in the real world. Countries that are well managed by government are nearly always preferable to live in that countries that aren't. There are obvious exceptions, like communist countries, but no one is suggesting that we become communist.