Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?[W:1258]

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I'm pretty sick of the inflation argument because as far as I'm concerned raising at the bottom could also mean losing at the top. Inflation shouldn't be a problem.

Are you kidding me? How does one mandate that? If one now makes MW + X then why should they not continue to do so? The relative value of skilled labor to unskilled labor does not change simply because you say so.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Welfare was suppose to cover people who were not working full time and made poverty level wages. It was not meant to create a permanent working poor class with taxpayers picking up the bill. Business took advantage of this safety net. Now that we have figured it out, we could withdraw welfare and see what consequences it brings. That means people having more skin in the game and demanding for those wages to keep up. Personally, I think that might be a better option than raising minimum wage. We would see a huge upswing in unions again which would even out the playing field a bit. Service workers wouldn't have to be servant workers. Back in the 1970s one person could support a family working a service job. It may have been a modest living, but a living no doubt.

1. Businesses do not take advantage of the safety net...people take advantage of it.

2. I agree...scale back welfare to to truly needy and let the others fight for, demand from business or increase their capability to acquire the wage they desire.

3. Of course, that would be a better option than raising the minimum wage. Especially since government has no business setting a minimum wage in the first place. It's not their job.

 

[Slyhunter]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

This isn't Hong Kong and this country every American has a chance to be the best they can be and if they are unable to take care of them then there are charities that do that job. Ever hear of St. Vincent de Paul?

this country will become like Hong Kong if you get rid of both the minimum wage and welfare at the same time.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Of course, of course! That's why the first-world democracies' economies have done SO terribly for the past half century, and why the third-world economies have done so very, very well over the past half century!

In other words, guy, you can claim that you understand the economy and market forces all you want...but when the economic system that you say is doomed to the economic dustbin of history is the very same economic system that is working better than any other economic system in human history...

...dude, you're arguing against success. You really need to check your assumptions, because your theories do NOT explain the realities of either the first-world democracies or the third-world economies.

So tell us what country you want this country to be more like? You always focus on a living wage but never define it? Where does spending play a role in that living wage? I spent 35 years in the business world and probably pay more in taxes and give more to charity than you make. You have no problem with the 3.9 trillion dollar govt. and why hasn't that solved the problem?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

This isn't Hong Kong and this country every American has a chance to be the best they can be and if they are unable to take care of them then there are charities that do that job. Ever hear of St. Vincent de Paul?

There is no way private charities have the resources nessecary....

And without public funds we'd be a third world country, Washington would be mostly inhabitable if not for the Columbia Basin reclamation project, something no private organization ever planned to do. We have thriving businesses becuase of our university system that graduates most of the worlds professionals, in many cases public assistance can help people get back on their feet. Creating a permanant subclass of people and telling them to eat cake is not a proven formula throughout history

 

[Slyhunter]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

1. Businesses do not take advantage of the safety net...people take advantage of it.

2. I agree...scale back welfare to to truly needy and let the others fight for, demand from business or increase their capability to acquire the wage they desire.

3. Of course, that would be a better option than raising the minimum wage. Especially since government has no business setting a minimum wage in the first place. It's not their job.

How about getting rid of the minimum wage and getting rid of welfare but replace them with government job houses where any "citizen" can go to work for $10.00 an hour paid daily. You have to show up every day and work if you want that days pay. Then those employers out there would have to compete with the Federal government for employees.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I'm pretty sick of the inflation argument because as far as I'm concerned raising at the bottom could also mean losing at the top. Inflation shouldn't be a problem.

Spent a lot of time in Massachusetts and found a lot of people just like you, rather sad to find such a "Highly educated" state so naive, gullible, and poorly informed. Do you realize that govt. contracts and union contracts are tied to the minimum wage? What is the govt. going to do with more money coming from the tax revenue on those wage and contract increases?

 

[Conservative]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I can't list the number of Americans that it will happen too when you get rid of welfare and remove the minimum wage but I'm sure it's in the hundreds of thousands.

How abut returning welfare to where it belongs, the state, local levels along with charities? Why hasn't the 3.9 trillion dollar Federal Govt. solved the problem?

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Are you kidding me? How does one mandate that? If one now makes MW + X then why should they not continue to do so? The relative value of skilled labor to unskilled labor does not change simply because you say so.

What I'm talking about is giving workers a percentage of the profits. Naturally those at the top will make more but won't take it all leaving nothing to the bottom.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I'm no expert, but there are experts who can compute the cost of food for one person and the average rental and utility costs in a giving area so as to compute what their minimum wage should be.

That is already done now. There are many states/cities that have a higher local MW than the federal level. The federal gov't also has different poverty levels for Alaska and Hawaii. What many seem to want is for the MW (for 40 hours/week) to support a family of four at (or above) the federal poverty level. Some refer to this as a "living wage".

 

[Conservative]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I'm no expert, but there are experts who can compute the cost of food for one person and the average rental and utility costs in a giving area so as to compute what their minimum wage should be.

Why don't you find out how many people actually earn the Federal Minimum wage and the make up of those people? You want to give someone who lives at home, has no expenses, and lives in a low cost state a Federal guarantee wage? Again, how much? Do you think you ought to do better research instead of throwing out opinions? You can't tell me how many Americans are starving because there aren't any.

 

[Slyhunter]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

How abut returning welfare to where it belongs, the state, local levels along with charities? Why hasn't the 3.9 trillion dollar Federal Govt. solved the problem?

I have a sister who can't work because she leaves blood spots on the seat wherever she sits. She's tried pads but they leak. She's constantly bleeding internally and they can't stop it. She has Hepatitis and liver cirrhosis. She lives with my mother who receives only her Social Security Retirement check and two sons. Welfare won't give her any money, says she makes too much money. They do give her about $400 a month for the 4 of them to live on. Rent is 975, electric is 300, she only pays the bills because we cheat the system and I give her money that she doesn't report. Welfare doesn't pay enough to live on. Only those smart enough to cheat the system can afford to live on Welfare. It isn't enough, and you want to take that away from them.

BTW how am I supposed to get a wife and have kids of my own if all my money is supporting my sister instead of wife shopping?

edit: oh and medicaid dumped her because of obamacare.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

How about getting rid of the minimum wage and getting rid of welfare but replace them with government job houses where any "citizen" can go to work for $10.00 an hour paid daily. You have to show up every day and work if you want that days pay. Then those employers out there would have to compete with the Federal government for employees.

Why do you want the federal government to compete with private enterprise?

 

[Slyhunter]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

What I'm talking about is giving workers a percentage of the profits. Naturally those at the top will make more but won't take it all leaving nothing to the bottom.

I kinda like the max earnings being linked to the earnings of the lowest paid employee and total number of employees.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

There is no way private charities have the resources nessecary....

And without public funds we'd be a third world country, Washington would be mostly inhabitable if not for the Columbia Basin reclamation project, something no private organization ever planned to do. We have thriving businesses becuase of our university system that graduates most of the worlds professionals, in many cases public assistance can help people get back on their feet. Creating a permanant subclass of people and telling them to eat cake is not a proven formula throughout history

They would if the govt. would remove the cap on charitable giving. we have a 3.9 trillion dollar govt. and the problem is worse so why are you and others supporting giving them more power by giving them more money? Where does personal responsibility rest in your world? I really feel sorry for this country when I read posts like yours, James Hill, rabbit, skyhunter, and the rest of the entitlement crowd. Liberalism is a disease that is destroying incentive and this country

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

1. Businesses do not take advantage of the safety net...people take advantage of it.

2. I agree...scale back welfare to to truly needy and let the others fight for, demand from business or increase their capability to acquire the wage they desire.

3. Of course, that would be a better option than raising the minimum wage. Especially since government has no business setting a minimum wage in the first place. It's not their job.

No, BUSINESS is taking advantage of it. People need to eat and will gladly work for money but if that isn't enough to feed them, they would take food stamps over nothing. That allows people to not be so demanding at work because their basic needs got met without rocking the boat. The better option would be for people to demand higher wages through work but since that is not happening the next best thing...... people are way to compliant now a days because of fear.

 

[Slyhunter]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Why do you want the federal government to compete with private enterprise?

Why not.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Spent a lot of time in Massachusetts and found a lot of people just like you, rather sad to find such a "Highly educated" state so naive, gullible, and poorly informed. Do you realize that govt. contracts and union contracts are tied to the minimum wage? What is the govt. going to do with more money coming from the tax revenue on those wage and contract increases?

Higher wages at the bottom mean more money in circulation. When it settles all at the too, it stagnates.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I have a sister who can't work because she leaves blood spots on the seat wherever she sits. She's tried pads but they leak. She's constantly bleeding internally and they can't stop it. She has Hepatitis and liver cirrhosis. She lives with my mother who receives only her Social Security Retirement check and two sons. Welfare won't give her any money, says she makes too much money. They do give her about $400 a month for the 4 of them to live on. Rent is 975, electric is 300, she only pays the bills because we cheat the system and I give her money that she doesn't report. Welfare doesn't pay enough to live on. Only those smart enough to cheat the system can afford to live on Welfare. It isn't enough, and you want to take that away from them.

BTW how am I supposed to get a wife and have kids of my own if all my money is supporting my sister instead of wife shopping?

I am very sorry for your sister so tell me how does raising the minimum wage change your situation? As for shopping for a wife, doubt you will get one ever with your entitlement attitude. Catholic Charities and the food pantry are there for people like you further you can get a lot of 975 a month in Florida. Sounds to me like you aren't trying very hard.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

What I'm talking about is giving workers a percentage of the profits. Naturally those at the top will make more but won't take it all leaving nothing to the bottom.

That is even less realistic. What if the business loses money for a quarter - does each worker then get paid less?

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

No, BUSINESS is taking advantage of it. People need to eat and will gladly work for money but if that isn't enough to feed them, they would take food stamps over nothing. That allows people to not be so demanding at work because their basic needs got met without rocking the boat. The better option would be for people to demand higher wages through work but since that is not happening the next best thing...... people are way to compliant now a days because of fear.

As I said...it's time to wean our citizens off the government tit that the liberal have put them on.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Higher wages at the bottom mean more money in circulation. When it settles all at the too, it stagnates.

Very simple for you, isn't it. Come back in a few years when you get some experience and tell me how your attitude has changed? You have no idea what you are talking about. More money at the bottom is going to be paid by the consumers in higher prices and as stated which you ignored, govt. contracts and union contracts are tied to minimum wage and the percentage increases.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I kinda like the max earnings being linked to the earnings of the lowest paid employee and total number of employees.

There are so many ways that profits could be distributed so that the bottom doesn't get left out. It is foolish not to include them and skim it all at the top.

 

[Slyhunter]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

I am very sorry for your sister so tell me how does raising the minimum wage change your situation? As for shopping for a wife, doubt you will get one ever with your entitlement attitude. Catholic Charities and the food pantry are there for people like you further you can get a lot of 975 a month in Florida. Sounds to me like you aren't trying very hard.

argument for not dumping welfare.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Why should we subsidize Wal-Marts crappy wages?

Why not.

shrug...I guess you didn't have an answer, did you? All you could do is ask a question.