Why Republicans should stop talking about Roe v Wade

[JayDubya]

Here let me rephrase the question. Would you consider a completely socially liberal pro-life in every sense of the word> both personally and for enforcing it on others? I doubt it.

Actually, just to be polite, I don't understand your rephrasing of the question.

I will try to guess what you mean. Typically, no someone who says they are "socially liberal" does not advocate a pro-life position. But then, I find that a lot of people who say they are "liberal" are for a lot of restrictions on individual freedom that I would not tolerate.


On THIS matter, I would say that laws prosecuting homicide are the most basic and most minimal form of government possible. On THIS matter, I would say that it is essential that government treat all humans equally.

 

[TheNextEra]

A But then, I find that a lot of people who say they are "liberal" are for a lot of restrictions on individual freedom that I would not tolerate.
.

And that is what happens with Social Conservatives. They are for a lot of restrictions on individual freedoms as well.

Abortion, flag burning, gay marriage, contraceptives, etc.

 

[nota bene]

Furthermore, I disagree with the notion that promoting human rights and trying to end restrictive personhood is necessarily "socially conservative."

I hadn't thought of this. Wanting the unborn to be considered "persons" may be considered radically "progressive" by some.

 

[TheNextEra]

I hadn't thought of this. Wanting the unborn to be considered "persons" may be considered radically "progressive" by some.

Not really, because it has been a conservative value to consider life at time of conception and thus give them person hood status.

 

[JayDubya]

I hadn't thought of this. Wanting the unborn to be considered "persons" may be considered radically "progressive" by some.

I would most certainly call it progressive if I didn't think "progressive" had become a dirty word in politics.

But actual progress would be to recognize the inequality of the status quo and to correct it.

 

[TeleKat]

Why Republicans should stop talking about Roe v Wade.


From a January 2013 article :

Read more:

Why Republicans should stop talking about Roe v. Wade - The Washington Post

The GOP is set in their ancient ways. They whine about social progress decades after the rest of the country has already made a major social shift.

 

[Dragonfly]

And that is what happens with Social Conservatives. They are for a lot of restrictions on individual freedoms as well.

Abortion, flag burning, gay marriage, contraceptives, etc.

Yep. They really are full of crap when they bloviate about being the party of smaller, less intrusive government. It's an outright lie.

 

[1750Texan]

Yep. They really are full of crap when they bloviate about being the party of smaller, less intrusive government. It's an outright lie.

...this from a group whos greatest scientific pronouncement for 2013 was..."Kids, Santa is white".

 

[sangha]

When I was pregnant, I was nobody's slave. Have you ever been pregnant? Nobody else was making decisions for me, except when my doctor needed to make a medical decision for me.

Slavery implies ownership. Slaves were raped by men so they could breed more slaves. That was slavery in every sense of the word. If a woman chooses to have sex, and ends up pregnant, she isn't a slave to anyone. She has made her own choice.

I don't minimize the impact of slavery by comparing it to pregnancy, and I don't subscribe to the notion that pregnancy is slavery. It's not. I was pregnant 5 times, and I would have been offended if someone told me I was a slave when pregnant.

Slavery neither requires nor implies ownership. Saying that it does is like saying that democracy implies that everyone vote on every law. Owning another is an extreme form of slavery. There are other forms.

slave: definition of slave in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)

A person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something:

 

[Scrabaholic]

why do you care?

Why can't you answer my question?

 

[jaeger19]

My opinion is that I don't particularly want to go on any sort of off-topic tangent.

Despite that, I will briefly indulge you.

Respectively,
a) Some wars are just. Aggressive war is almost impossible to justify.
b) I don't like permanent penalties when we all know the government is fallible.
c) I am against "gun control" for the same reason I am anti-slavery or anti-abortion or anti-socialism - I am pro human rights.

Just so you understand.. "anti abortion" is not for human rights...

Thats why Libertarians are pro choice.

 

[JayDubya]

Just so you understand.. "anti abortion" is not for human rights...

Just so you understand, you're wrong. Protecting the human right to life is the most minimally necessary function of government.

Thats why Libertarians are pro choice.

No, not all of us are. The ones who actually care about human rights and equality are.

 

[sangha]

Just so you understand, you're wrong. Protecting the human right to life is the most minimally necessary function of government.



No, not all of us are. The ones who actually care about human rights and equality are.

The unborn have no right to life

 

[Jerry]

Why Republicans should stop talking about Roe v Wade.


From a January 2013 article :

Read more:

Why Republicans should stop talking about Roe v. Wade - The Washington Post

Even the Republicans who support Roe v. Wade?

 

[Jerry]

Slavery was a social issue. It became a political issue.

Not saying we necessarily need a war to stop this human rights abuse, as we did with that one. But human rights abuses, defended by the Supreme Court or not (see Dred Scott) are most definitely a political issue.

The civil war was about taxes, not slavory. Slaves were a tool to win the war, not the cause the war meant to win.

 

[Jerry]

Calling pregancy 'slavory' is like calling breast-feeding 'canabalium' and anyone who make the claim is a pure idiot.

 

[year2late]

Calling pregancy 'slavory' is like calling breast-feeding 'canabalium' and anyone who make the claim is a pure idiot.

I usually do not comment on typos, but these are pretty funny.:lol:

 

[Jerry]

I usually do not comment on typos, but these are pretty funny.:lol:

Typos help people remember. Fortunately I have a gift for them.

 

[year2late]

Typos help people remember. Fortunately I have a gift for them.

Myself as well.

 

[minnie616]

Myself as well.

Me too.
Between auto correct and my dyslexia I am pretty famous for typos.

I often double my words or leave out words.

I especially hate it when I leave the word "not" out because it completely changes what I meant to say.

 

[RamFel]

The unborn have no right to life

Yes they do.

 

[minnie616]

Yes they do.

Since when?

 

[Ocean007]

Calling pregancy 'slavory' is like calling breast-feeding 'canabalium' and anyone who make the claim is a pure idiot.

You're entitled to your OPINION. Thankfully, I don't have to agree. A woman can view pregnancy any way she wants, including the perception that for HER, it is slavery.

I feel that way about pregnancy, birth, and motherhood. I'm very glad that reliable contraception is available to prevent that unwanted outcome to the best of my ability.

 

[Jerry]

A woman can view pregnancy any way she wants, including the perception that for HER, it is slavery.

That's like calling breastfeeding 'cannibalism'. Pure idiocy. Thank you proving my point.

 

[JayDubya]

Since when?

At least since the first member of our species was created, and possibly before that.

Not all of us share your delusion that black robed men create and define our basic rights as sapient life forms.