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Why Medicare For All Won't Work

Solving simple poverty is a better solution; we can raise more tax revenue by simply increasing the potential for market participation.
 
marke said:
Who can come up with a free healthcare plan that will cost taxpayers nothing? Why not just forget about healthcare plans and pass a law to force people not to get sick? That would make more sense than trying to take a deficit and spend thirty trillion dollars of it on universal healthcare.
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Nobody has ever said that universal healthcare won't cost anything. Medicare doesn't have a cost at the time of service but that doesn't mean that it is free. The people who enjoy it have paid into the system just as we will all pay into the system for universal healthcare coverage.
 
Lisa said:
Nobody has ever said that universal healthcare won't cost anything. Medicare doesn't have a cost at the time of service but that doesn't mean that it is free. The people who enjoy it have paid into the system just as we will all pay into the system for universal healthcare coverage.
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Democrat CBO plan to pay for free universal healthcare: Tax the fire out of the rich and take those tens of billions of new dollars to pay tens of trillions of dollars for new universal healthcare packages.
 
marke said:
Democrat CBO plan to pay for free universal healthcare: Tax the fire out of the rich and take those tens of billions of new dollars to pay tens of trillions of dollars for new universal healthcare packages.
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It's not free, so drop the strawman.

How do you tax the fire out of people? Please use a semi-standard form of the English language instead of emotional nonsense.
 
Lisa said:
It's not free, so drop the strawman.

How do you tax the fire out of people? Please use a semi-standard form of the English language instead of emotional nonsense.
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OK. Let me rephrase. Universal healthcare will not be free to the rich or to working families, but it will be free to the unemployed, the disabled, the retired, the lazy, the diseased, the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the illegal immigrant and so forth.

'Tax the fire out of the rich?' What that means is taxing the rich from 85% to 95% who do not have their assets protected from the IRS through foundations, trusts, secret accounts, overseas shelters, and so forth.

What might be gained in new income from such high taxation? Maybe tens of billions of dollars. What might be lost to economic activity by such high taxation? Maybe hundreds of billions of dollars in lost jobs and businesses.
 
Moderate Right said:
America can produce enough if you don't overload the system and tell would be doctors that it is not a profession to get rich at anymore. Why would anyone want to go to college 10+ years to make 50K per year?
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Then why do we have so many foreigners, here and right now as doctors(Hello)

Also, why can't America produce High tech workers here and right now?

Think about it
 
If your country doesn't have free medical, you might as well live in a third world country.
 
Oh that's right. America is third world.
 
marke said:
OK. Let me rephrase. Universal healthcare will not be free to the rich or to working families, but it will be free to the unemployed, the disabled, the retired, the lazy, the diseased, the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the illegal immigrant and so forth.

'Tax the fire out of the rich?' What that means is taxing the rich from 85% to 95% who do not have their assets protected from the IRS through foundations, trusts, secret accounts, overseas shelters, and so forth.

What might be gained in new income from such high taxation? Maybe tens of billions of dollars. What might be lost to economic activity by such high taxation? Maybe hundreds of billions of dollars in lost jobs and businesses.
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You really don't understand how it works; with UHC everyone pays a percentage of general taxation toward healthcare thus the cost is spread, everyone benefits. You will not be taxed to death; take Britain's NHS for example. Here's a breakdown (linked) of costs for the average taxpayer. You will note that, on average, we pay less annually for our healthcare than the average American pays per month for his. Why do you consider that a problem?

How much money is taken from each UK worker to pay for NHS? - Quora
 
You guys kill buy bullet at a greater rate than any nation in the world. Third world countries included. Well done America.
 
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coco said:
If your country doesn't have free medical, you might as well live in a third world country.
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That's why America ranks 37th in the world for quality of healthcare, according to the World Health Organisation. Doesn't matter though, they beat mighty Slovenia by one place, and are powering ahead, just behind world leading Costa Rica. The country leading the pack for overall quality is France and, guess what, the French also enjoy universal healthcare. Must be an awful system.

World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com
 
snakestretcher said:
That's why America ranks 36th in the world for quality of healthcare, according to the World Health Organisation. Doesn't matter though, they beat mighty Costa Rica by one place, and are powering ahead, just behind Slovenia. The country leading the pack for overall quality is France and, guess what, the French also enjoy universal healthcare. Must be an awful system.
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But isnt America great
 
snakestretcher said:
That's why America ranks 37th in the world for quality of healthcare, according to the World Health Organisation. Doesn't matter though, they beat mighty Slovenia by one place, and are powering ahead, just behind world leading Costa Rica. The country leading the pack for overall quality is France and, guess what, the French also enjoy universal healthcare. Must be an awful system.

World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com
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I have been to hospital 4 times in the last 2 years. All because i am an addict. I cant believe how humanly i was treated.
 
coco said:
But isnt America great
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Don't we protect you guys like kinda a "Big Brother" if you will?

Whats your defense spending compared to the U.S.?
 
Luther said:
Don't we protect you guys like kinda a "Big Brother" if you will?

Whats your defense spending compared to the U.S.?
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More Aussies died per head of population in both world wars than any country has ever given. We gave our all.
 
snakestretcher said:
That's why America ranks 37th in the world for quality of healthcare, according to the World Health Organisation. Doesn't matter though, they beat mighty Slovenia by one place, and are powering ahead, just behind world leading Costa Rica. The country leading the pack for overall quality is France and, guess what, the French also enjoy universal healthcare. Must be an awful system.

World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com
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according to the World Health Organisation.
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Oh the "world health organization"

That's sounds like a nice bias socialist organization(LOL)
 
coco said:
More Aussies died per head of population in both world wars than any country has ever given. We gave our all.
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You didn't answer my question

In fact, you avoided it(wink)

What was the population of Australia before WWII?

Nothing?
 
Luther said:
Oh the "world health organization"

That's sounds like a nice bias socialist organization(LOL)
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You don't agree with the experts because America isn't Number One? What a surprise! Here's the methodology:
https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf
Oh, the word is 'biased' in this context. One expresses a 'bias'. That person is 'biased'. (LOL, wink etc).
 
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