Why Isn't Communism as Hated as Nazism? Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer

[Litwin]

They had civil wars and cultural revolutions going on at the time. ....

what do you know about "cultural" live of soviet peasants (slaves) under Koba´s despotic regime ?

 

[danielpalos]

what do you know about "cultural" live of soviet peasants (slaves) under Koba´s despotic regime ?

Nothing but special pleading; capitalism was worse and resulted in revolutions and is why socialism was "invented in Russia".

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Nothing but special pleading; capitalism was worse and resulted in revolutions and is why socialism was "invented in Russia".

It is, has and will always be about what sector of society gets to run things...

Ask yourself why would economic systems need to inherently be at war????

Why would one country care how another country handles their economy?? How is that relevant to anyone else??
If your economic system is better, then you win.. there SHOULD be no reason to fight about it..

The truth is that whatever sector of society is in charge is scared to death the other sector may be successful and them lose control of that society..

The American revolutionary war was the civilian merchant class seizing power from the English monarchy.

The Russian revolution was the peasant military class seizing power from the Russian monarchies..


The present capitalism vs. socialism vs. communism fight is the merchant class that presently runs the West afraid socialism/communism will be successful and lead to a revolution in their own countries, where the peasants cease power..


I haven’t done a spread sheet to double check lol, but on a broad scale I kinda think every war in history goes back to the fight over what sector of society gets to run things.. FOR SURE every civil war and revolution..





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[danielpalos]

It is, has and will always be about what sector of society gets to run things...

Ask yourself why would economic systems need to inherently be at war????

Why would one country care how another country handles their economy?? How is that relevant to anyone else??
If your economic system is better, then you win.. there SHOULD be no reason to fight about it..

The truth is that whatever sector of society is in charge is scared to death the other sector may be successful and them lose control of that society..

The American revolutionary war was the civilian merchant class seizing power from the English monarchy.

The Russian revolution was the peasant military class seizing power from the Russian monarchies..


The present capitalism vs. socialism vs. communism fight is the merchant class that presently runs the West afraid socialism/communism will be successful and lead to a revolution in their own countries, where the peasants cease power..


I haven’t done a spread sheet to double check lol, but on a broad scale I kinda think every war in history goes back to the fight over what sector of society gets to run things.. FOR SURE every civil war and revolution..





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Right wingers only complain if the Poor may benefit under our form of Capitalism. Otherwise, the Richest may be too rich to fail under our form of socialism.

 

[Ouroboros]

Yes, communism is bad, but fascism of the Putin and Trump kind are bad, too.

Why would you label Putin as a "fascist?"

And how many people do you believe Trump has killed in his supposed "fascist" career?

 

[Ouroboros]

Because communism/socialism is an economic system based on equality and Nazism/fascism is a political system based on nationalism


Socialism is a great idea that we haven't been able to make work yet. At least, not or a large scale level.

Nazism/fascism is a BAD idea based on on group of people being superior to another.

The equality, however, is predicated on everyone sharing the same beliefs, or at least not arguing with the dominant authority.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Why would you label Putin as a "fascist?"

And how many people do you believe Trump has killed in his supposed "fascist" career?

Look up 'fascism', Ouroboros, and that Trump has not killed anyone yet is meaningless.

 

[swing_voter]

Why Isn't Communism as Hated as Nazism? Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer


The Nazis lost, the commies won.

That's why.

 

[Vatsu]

There are three primary reasons why Naziism is hated more than communism by people of other political positions.
First, communism has many redeeming ideas, many superior to capitalism.
Second, with the existing and historical examples of communism are Marxist-Leninism as practised in the USSR, Maoist PRC, Cuba, or even quite liberal Yugoslavia are/were Marxist-Leninist; there has never been a Trotskyist or Luxemburgist state. In addition, there are forms of communism that call for true democracy, such as soviet communism. Related, though not necessarily Marxist, is anarcho-communism, which thrived in Revolutionary Catalonia until Francoists crushed it.
Third, Marxism isn't inherently exclusionary of different races, genders, sexes, or sexual orientations. Far from it: Most contemporary communist parties are highly anti-racist, feminist, and pro-queer. This is unlike Naziism, which is only for heterosexual Germanic people.
For practical purposes, I am a democratic socialist, and I firmly believe in the importance of electoral politics, but I believe the ideal system for humanity is some form of anarcho-communism.

 

[enderpotato00]

Oh? So the whole American Indian genocide was what? How about the Conquistador mass murder of central and south America? Or the Christian wars in Europe? The list goes on and on.

Indian genocide was conservatism?

 

[enderpotato00]

Probably because communism as a theory in and of itself doesn't advocate for killing or enslaving anyone, while Nazism does.

Exactly, communism is a theory. A fantasy. An extreme version of socialism.

 

[enderpotato00]

I believe the ideal system for humanity is some form of anarcho-communism.

Wow, thats delusional as hell.

 

[Lluís Companys]

When did capitalism fail ?

The capitalism only works for the rich people. Is'nt failing capitalism when there are a 1% of the World which has more money than the 99%?

 

[PeteEU]

Indian genocide was conservatism?

Of course it was. "Socialism" did not exist back then.

 

[Vadinho]

This is a good question. I think your impressions are linked to your age group. As a boomer born in the mid-50s, I think all of us considered both systems to be horrible in almost equal measure. The Nazis did something though that the commies under Stalin and Mao did not do, they invaded Europe and Russia and annihilated everything in their path. The commies just killed their own people, not as much visibility here. And don't forget, Israel and the Zionists kept the Nazis and the holocaust front and center to remind everyone that the past can repeat itself if it was forgotten. So publicity is likely a reason, destroying entire nations is another reason, pure evil by a willing population is a reason and lets face it, we never really cared that much about commies killing commies.

 

[Visbek]

Yet they both did exactly that.

Capitalism and democratic republics committed genocide on Native Americans/First Peoples, enslaved millions of people, institutionalized racism and segregation for decades, usurped sovereign governments around the world, and people glorify those systems. What's up with that?

 

[Ouroboros]

Look up 'fascism', Ouroboros, and that Trump has not killed anyone yet is meaningless.

Calling Putin a "fascist" merely obscures the deplorable history of Communism, just as the OP alleged was the case.

And no, it doesn't really matter that Russia is no longer technically a Communist state. Putin "made his bones" under that regime. From the Wiki entry on Putin:

In 1975, Putin joined the KGB and trained at the 401st KGB school in Okhta, Leningrad.[13][29] After training, he worked in the Second Chief Directorate (counter-intelligence), before he was transferred to the First Chief Directorate, where he monitored foreigners and consular officials in Leningrad.[13][30][31] In September 1984, Putin was sent to Moscow for further training at the Yuri Andropov Red Banner Institute.[32][33][34] From 1985 to 1990 he served in Dresden, East Germany,[35] using a cover identity as a translator.[36] Masha Gessen, a Russian-American who has authored a biography about Putin, claims "Putin and his colleagues were reduced mainly to collecting press clippings, thus contributing to the mountains of useless information produced by the KGB".[36] According to Putin's official biography, during the fall of the Berlin Wall that began on 9 November 1989, he burned KGB files to prevent demonstrators from obtaining them.[37]

 

[hardy]

IMO?

Rebranding.

We don't call Socialists "Commies" anymore. This despite the fact that most so-called "Communist" governments were never actually Marx-Engels Communism, but rather heavy-handed Socialism.

Even today, people shy away from "Socialism," rebranding it "Democratic Socialism," as if it really is a horse of a different color.

Looking from outside, the other end of the Atlantic, on the US debate about socialism, I am amazed of that:
Striving for circumstances like we have in Europe (social care systems, weapon control, higher taxes) is remarkably often linked in US-debate with the evil of communism.

It makes no sense to Europeans, and hardly to anybody else on the globe.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich
Born 22 November 1893
Kabany, Kiev

The town of Khabno in northern Kyiv oblast included a shtetl quarter the Jews called Khabnoe. In 1934 the town was renamed Kaganovichi Pervyye (Kaganovichi the First) after Lazar Kaganovich.

In September of 1941, the SS shot 391 Khabnoe Jews not far from the village of Tarasy and buried them all in a mass grave which remains unknown.

In 1957 the town was renamed Polesskoye. It is not far from Pripyat which was where the workers for Chornobyl lived. The town was officially evacuated in 1999.

In 2005 ~1000 older citizens lived there. Today perhaps 10 souls still live in Polesskoye (which lies within the Chornobyl Exclusion Zone).

Last time I checked, Kiev was in the Ukraine

At the time of its founding (1415), the town was part of the Grand Duchy of Moscow.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Communism in America has not been a real issue for a long time.

But we have had American fascists all the time, and with Russia having become a fascist state, and with Vlad and Donny being buddies, there you go.

 

[Casper]

Capitalism and democratic republics committed genocide on Native Americans/First Peoples, enslaved millions of people, institutionalized racism and segregation for decades, usurped sovereign governments around the world, and people glorify those systems. What's up with that?

The system we have today is far different from the past, or haven't you noticed

 

[jamesbyoung]

The system we have today is far different from the past, or haven't you noticed

And Russia's desperate hope for democracy since 1989 has degenerated into Russian fascism.

 

[Nickyjo]

Why would you label Putin as a "fascist?"

And how many people do you believe Trump has killed in his supposed "fascist" career?

Small point, but it’s not for not wanting in Trump’s case. “Take out their families” and “torture worse than waterboarding,” for example. Trump’s style and instincts are fascist. We are fortunate we have the system we do to check him.

 

[Nickyjo]

Why Isn't Communism as Hated as Nazism? Commies killed, enslaved, MUCH more and last much longer


The Nazis lost, the commies won.

That's why.

You must have missed the 80’s-90s, whole Lech Walesa thing, etc.

 

[Nickyjo]

Indian genocide was conservatism?

Sort of, tho times were different. There were bleeding heart liberals of the time who objected, and conservative imperialists of the time who wanted their land.