Why is there such a dislike for Obama

[AdamT]

Gay marriage was never legal in the first place - not to mention marriage is nothing more than contract law - hence any individual could engage in a contract with another individual. The whole marriage thing is nothing more than symbolic.

What is wrong with keeping ones sexuality to ones self? Besides, I really don't see how sexuality plays a role in any job - including military service.

In what universe are illegal aliens entitled to just jump ahead of the line and come here when there are plenty of immigrants who do it the legal way? I'm sure you would be pissed at me if I just cut in front of you in a line.

Anyone who cant get an ID is too stupid to vote, besides, the whole purpose of the law is to cut down on voter fraud - not to mention getting an ID is not that difficult to obtain. Besides you only need an ID to cash a paycheck, get a job, drive a car, buy a home, rent a home, get food stamps, get welfare, buy tobacco, buy booze - or pretty much anything an adult does... I'm getting sick of the notion that ID's to vote are unreasonable. Oh and the best part is that here in Illinois when you got TO GET YOUR ID is when they ask you if you want to register to vote.... With that said I have absolutely no idea as to how someone cannot have an ID but be registered to vote?

Gay marriage was never legal in the first place? So what? Slavery was legal. It was never legal for blacks or women to vote in the first place. Does that mean that it was a mistake to change the law?

Children who were brought here by their parents didn't jump in line ahead of anyone. They were brought here by their parents. Giving them some legal status doesn't make the line longer for anyone else.

Whether or not someone CAN get an ID is irrelevant. There is no rational basis for requiring ID to vote when there is no demonstrated problem of voter impersonation. We should make it easier for people to participate in the electoral process -- not throw up additional road blocks.

These are just a few examples. Republicans consistently oppose liberal rights while Democrats consistently fight for them.

 

[Mr.Nick]

No, that is isolationism, it is separating yourself from the community. It is the utopia of libertarians to be completely alone, to kill themselves if they wish, to live without responsibility. You can do that out in the wilderness.....but in an urban setting, it is just the worst form of anarchy.

No that is called individualism not isolationism....

First off it is absolutely my right if I want to kill myself via my lifestyle, secondly libertarians are the most responsible people in the United States because they understand that the only way to survive is to be responsible, thirdly my lifestyle has ZERO effect on others in "urban" settings.

Don't confuse libertarian with anarchy....

I'm not a collectivist or a member of a "community" and I don't need the masters and elitists of the "community" to tell me how to live my life....

Like I said in a previous post - people should be able to live their lives how they want just as long as they don't hurt or affect others (and don't confuse that will offend).

 

[Billy the Kid]

Heya Kid, still operating on "feelings" I see, nice to know you don't change.

Not feelings Gimmie, fact. The man is inept at being POTUS and the state of the country is proof.

 

[AdamT]

I personally don't like or dislike Obama........I just think the is incompetent aand the worse president ever elected in this country.

Hey, I think that's the first time I've seen you call him Obama and not Barack HUSSEIN Obama. But you don't dislike him. :roll:

 

[Bronson]

This is why

WASHINGTON (AP) — The ranks of America's poor remained stuck at record levels, although dwindling unemployment benefits and modest job gains helped stave off what experts had predicted would be the fourth rise in a row in the poverty rate.

With joblessness persistently high, the gap between rich and poor increased in the last year, according to two major census measures. Also, the median, or midpoint, household income was $50,054, 1.5 percent lower than 2010 and a second straight decline.

U.S. Poverty: Census Finds 46.2 Million Impoverished As Median Income Drops

 

[Gimmesometruth]

No that is called individualism not isolationism....

First off it is absolutely my right if I want to kill myself via my lifestyle, secondly libertarians are the most responsible people in the United States because they understand that the only way to survive is to be responsible, thirdly my lifestyle has ZERO effect on others in "urban" settings.

BS, even from the standpoint of suicide, your action has a huge effect upon the rest of society. It isn't free of consequences, no matter what you believe.

Don't confuse libertarian with anarchy....

I am not confused about anarchy.

I'm not a collectivist or a member of a "community" and I don't need the masters and elitists of the "community" to tell me how to live my life....

Then you are admitting to being an isolationist, no man is an island, if you live in a city.

Like I said in a previous post - people should be able to live their lives how they want just as long as they don't hurt or affect others (and don't confuse that will offend).

Except when it comes to sexual orientation....as you already exposed about yourself.

 

[Travis007]

Gay marriage was never legal in the first place? So what? Slavery was legal. It was never legal for blacks or women to vote in the first place. Does that mean that it was a mistake to change the law?

Children who were brought here by their parents didn't jump in line ahead of anyone. They were brought here by their parents. Giving them some legal status doesn't make the line longer for anyone else.

Whether or not someone CAN get an ID is irrelevant. There is no rational basis for requiring ID to vote when there is no demonstrated problem of voter impersonation. We should make it easier for people to participate in the electoral process -- not throw up additional road blocks.

These are just a few examples. Republicans consistently oppose liberal rights while Democrats consistently fight for them.

"liberal rights"????? ......

 

[Gimmesometruth]

My feelings ....

Not feelings ....

Go work it out with yourself.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Gay marriage was never legal in the first place? So what? Slavery was legal. It was never legal for blacks or women to vote in the first place. Does that mean that it was a mistake to change the law?

Children who were brought here by their parents didn't jump in line ahead of anyone. They were brought here by their parents. Giving them some legal status doesn't make the line longer for anyone else.

Whether or not someone CAN get an ID is irrelevant. There is no rational basis for requiring ID to vote when there is no demonstrated problem of voter impersonation. We should make it easier for people to participate in the electoral process -- not throw up additional road blocks.

These are just a few examples. Republicans consistently oppose liberal rights while Democrats consistently fight for them.

How does one change a law that never existed in the first place? voting rights were/are laws...

Hence "anchor baby" - It's not the kids fault he/she was born here, but when deported the kid should be mad at their parents not the US government.

Yes there is a voter fraud problem - the old saying here in Chicago is "vote early and often" - lets not forget the problem with dead people voting around here. Not to mention I only know a person who lives alone in a house who when voted back in 2010 found out that 6 voters were registered under her address - so in theory she could have voted 6 times.

 

[Travis007]

How does one change a law that never existed in the first place? voting rights were/are laws...

Hence "anchor baby" - It's not the kids fault he/she was born here, but when deported the kid should be mad at their parents not the US government.

Yes there is a voter fraud problem - the old saying here in Chicago is "vote early and often" - lets not forget the problem with dead people voting around here. Not to mention I only know a person who lives alone in a house who when voted back in 2010 found out that 6 voters were registered under her address - so in theory she could have voted 6 times.

You dont get it.. a Lib told you that there is no problem with voter Id.. so thats gospel now.. : )

and great point on anchor babies.. they should be angry with their line jumping parents..

 

[upsideguy]

I dislike him as a person because I find him condescending; I politically dislike him more for those healthcare mandates than you could ever imagine. If those were gone, I'd have much less problem with Obamacare or Obama.

Well, you can certainly thank Nixon, GHWB and the Heritage foundation for the creation and later promotion of the idea and Mitt Romney for its successful implementation. It currently enjoys a 60+% approval/satisfaction rating in Massachusetts.

Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/opinion/10fri4.html

Personally, I think the mandates are dumb as well. A simple national healthcare system based on the Medicare model would have been preferable, but people thought we needed to maintain the existing private (highly inefficient) insurance infrastructure. And, after all, since the whole thing was a Republican idea in the first place, the thought was it would be more widely and politically accepted. .... that's before "if the Dems are for it; then the Reps are against it" was born.

 

[Mr.Nick]

BS, even from the standpoint of suicide, your action has a huge effect upon the rest of society. It isn't free of consequences, no matter what you believe.

How would my death have a huge impact on society? people die everyday - they get into car accidents, get hit by trains, get shot, shoot themselves, slip in the bathtub etc... How the hell does any of that impact you or society in general? So what the hell is the difference if a person drinks a soda? you progressives act like you know everything and have some sort of right to control others behavior and habits - that is why I strongly disagree with you and pretty much hate you. Your whole "we're one big collectivist family" ruse is nonsense - what are you trying to do? create a gigantic commune of 300,000,000 people? Oh and then you get bent when individualists such as myself call you communists and socialists when you continually use language like "collectivism" and "community?"

I am not confused about anarchy.

Oh you clearly are and you're confused about allot of ideas and philosophies.

Then you are admitting to being an isolationist, no man is an island, if you live in a city.

You clearly have no idea what "individualist" means.... It means I form my own ideas on my own, I learn on my own and am not a product of collectivist "group think" influence. It means I don't run out and buy 300 dollar shoes just because thousands of others are doing it - It means I don't run out and wait in line for 3-days to the the Iphone5 just so I can feel like I'm part of the "group" - it means I'm not a hipster.

Except when it comes to sexual orientation....as you already exposed about yourself.

I could care less about sexual orientation - there is absolutely nothing stopping gays from engaging in civil contract. The gay marriage argument is the dumbest of them all considering marriage is nothing more than a contract. As an individual I could name anyone I want as executive of my estate, or name anyone as my next of kin - it just so happens via marriage it's de facto.

 

[Fisher]

I'd be fine with a national healthcare system in which the government could regulate all segments of the operations. I oppose the mandate on principle--that is a slippery slope like none I have ever seen to be able to use "taxing power" to force people to purchase goods and services from private third-parties who BTW are not even providing the service you want people to have. Insurance companies do not provide healthcare--doctors and nurses do--cut the insurance companies out altogether and there would be more money available or there would be less cost.

 

[Billy the Kid]

Go work it out with yourself.

I "feel" that most folks don't like the job Presiden Obama has done because he's inept; and he's in a job that he hasn't the chops to do. He has no experience in a leadership position. It shows and the state of the country is proof he's way past his level of competence.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Wow, discrimination based on sexual preference....is OK with you. We should not be free to chose who we want to love, we should hide it.

So much for your version of civil liberties.

EDIT: I was going to comment on the fact that inter-racial marriage was never "legal" in the first place either, but Adam caught that too.

Again, you are defending the repression of civil rights.

People can love whoever they want - THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL - GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT ILLEGAL - GAY SEX IS NOT ILLEGAL.

Interracial marriage was only illegal in certain states via the Tenth Amendment. There was never a federal law that prohibited interracial marriage.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

How would my death have a huge impact on society? people die everyday - they get into car accidents, get hit by trains, get shot, shoot themselves, slip in the bathtub etc... How the hell does any of that impact you or society in general?

Really? The cost of cleaning up the mess you leave behind? The loss of your contribution to the city, county, state and country? The impact it has upon the rest of your family? Have you made yourself so isolated that none of that comes into your calculation?

So what the hell is the difference if a person drinks a soda? you progressives act like you know everything and have some sort of right to control others behavior and habits - that is why I strongly disagree with you and pretty much hate you. Your whole "we're one big collectivist family" ruse is nonsense - what are you trying to do? create a gigantic commune of 300,000,000 people? Oh and then you get bent when individualists such as myself call you communists and socialists when you continually use language like "collectivism" and "community?"

I never said "collectivism" at all. Again, you for some reason refuse to accept that unhealthy activity is something we all as community suffer with. And as far as "habits", you just got done talking about hiding your sexuality, that you should not have the right to marry who you want.

Oh you clearly are and you're confused about allot of ideas and philosophies.

So you say, yet you show no evidence.

You clearly have no idea what "individualist" means.... It means I form my own ideas on my own, I learn on my own and am not a product of collectivist "group think" influence. It means I don't run out and buy 300 dollar shoes just because thousands of others are doing it - It means I don't run out and wait in line for 3-days to the the Iphone5 just so I can feel like I'm part of the "group" - it means I'm not a hipster.

That is stupid, I did not define it as "being a hipster".

I could care less about sexual orientation - there is absolutely nothing stopping gays from engaging in civil contract. The gay marriage argument is the dumbest of them all considering marriage is nothing more than a contract. As an individual I could name anyone I want as executive of my estate, or name anyone as my next of kin - it just so happens via marriage it's de facto.

Not only do you contradict yourself (nothing stopping the contract/marriage is a contract...but of course there are only 4 states allowing gay marriage), but you do not understand the level of rights contained within marriage.

If you REALLY were socially liberal, then you would be very concerned with this civil right.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

People can love whoever they want - THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL - GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT ILLEGAL - GAY SEX IS NOT ILLEGAL.

Wow dude...the individual states regulate marriage licenses, if a state refuses to recognize the union, then the bond has no legal standing. And note...you still sidestep the point......you do not support this civil right.

Interracial marriage was only illegal in certain states via the Tenth Amendment. There was never a federal law that prohibited interracial marriage.

This wasn't an argument over what is the mechanism of the ban, the point was that the ban existed. Currently there is a ban in most states upon the marriage between two people of the same sex, yet you are not against this ban on a civil right.

So much for your form of freedom.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

My feelings...

Not feelings Gimmie, fact.

I "feel" that most folks

...and once again with feeling.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Really? The cost of cleaning up the mess you leave behind? The loss of your contribution to the city, county, state and country? The impact it has upon the rest of your family? Have you made yourself so isolated that none of that comes into your calculation?

What the hell are you talking about? the mess I leave behind? what like the assets I own? like the ZERO credit I have, hence owe? My death would be lucrative...

I never said "collectivism" at all. Again, you for some reason refuse to accept that unhealthy activity is something we all as community suffer with. And as far as "habits", you just got done talking about hiding your sexuality, that you should not have the right to marry who you want.

Who gives a phrack about "unhealthy activity?" what I do doesn't concern you - it's none of your damn business - and who I screw and love is none of your damn business either.

Oh yeah there you go using words like "community" again. Sorry to explain to you that community is PC for collective, hence collectivism, group or commune.

So you say, yet you show no evidence.

Look above^^

That is stupid, I did not define it as "being a hipster".

No, but I did because I'm more articulate than you are. Would you like more synonyms for conformity, collectivism or a general thought process that is conformed?

Not only do you contradict yourself (nothing stopping the contract/marriage is a contract...but of course there are only 4 states allowing gay marriage), but you do not understand the level of rights contained within marriage.

Marriage isn't a right, it's not even legislation.

If you REALLY were socially liberal, then you would be very concerned with this civil right.

I am concerned with civil liberties, and the majority of what the progressives are concerned about are NOT civil liberties - I would strongly advise you to read the Bill of Rights. The majority of progressive grievances fall under the Tenth Amendment - hence states have the right to self legislate.

You should really learn the Bill of Rights/Constitution before even attempting to debate me.

 

[Travis007]

What the hell are you talking about? the mess I leave behind? what like the assets I own? like the ZERO credit I have, hence owe? My death would be lucrative...



Who gives a phrack about "unhealthy activity?" what I do doesn't concern you - it's none of your damn business - and who I screw and love is none of your damn business either.

Oh yeah there you go using words like "community" again. Sorry to explain to you that community is PC for collective, hence collectivism, group or commune.




Look above^^



No, but I did because I'm more articulate than you are. Would you like more synonyms for conformity, collectivism or a general thought process that is conformed?



Marriage isn't a right, it's not even legislation.



I am concerned with civil liberties, and the majority of what the progressives are concerned about are NOT civil liberties - I would strongly advise you to read the Bill of Rights. The majority of progressive grievances fall under the Tenth Amendment - hence states have the right to self legislate.

You should really learn the Bill of Rights/Constitution before even attempting to debate me.

Id give you a "like" Nick but the button is covered by your post..

Good luck with Gimme... I put him on ignore.. you may want to also...

 

[Mr.Nick]

Wow dude...the individual states regulate marriage licenses, if a state refuses to recognize the union, then the bond has no legal standing. And note...you still sidestep the point......you do not support this civil right.

Hey, welcome to the Tenth Amendment.

As a libertarian I support the Bill of Rights - my personal position on the issue of gay marriage is irreverent. There is nothing in the Bill of Rights that bans gay marriage other than the ability of the states to self legislate.

This wasn't an argument over what is the mechanism of the ban, the point was that the ban existed. Currently there is a ban in most states upon the marriage between two people of the same sex, yet you are not against this ban on a civil right.

MARRIAGE IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHT! do you NOT understand this?

So much for your form of freedom.

Why, because I respect the Tenth Amendment? while you just make crap up can call what you believe in "Civil Rights?"

You clearly have no idea what is contained within the Bill of Rights or how our government works in general....

 

[Travis007]

Hey, welcome to the Tenth Amendment.

As a libertarian I support the Bill of Rights - my personal position on the issue of gay marriage is irreverent. There is nothing in the Bill of Rights that bans gay marriage other than the ability of the states to self legislate.



MARRIAGE IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHT! do you NOT understand this?



Why, because I respect the Tenth Amendment? while you just make crap up can call what you believe in "Civil Rights?"

You clearly have no idea what is contained within the Bill of Rights or how our government works in general....

again... wishing you good luck and strength... I will pray for you... and of course am pulling for you...your post was awesome...and WELCOME

 

[RabidAlpaca]

why do people after all that has happened like Barack Obama. His combination of personality traits, he is simultaneously full of himself but thin-skinned, loves to dish it out but can’t take it. He makes him the sort of person that, after a few minutes of polite chatter at a cocktail party, most people invent an excuse to get away from.

Obama has since gone from mean to worse, amping up his sarcastic digs at his opponents (and non-opponents) and hitting them with half-truths and exaggerations. He has also trampled the majority of his campaign promises especially his promise to unify the nation and run one of the most secretive administrations in the history of the presidency.

I imagine the answer is loyalty to party or liberal principles. But for others, I suspect the reason runs deeper. Their support for Obama derives not only from their steadfast allegiance to the liberal brand that he embodies but from their fear and loathing (and contempt) for the other side.

For me it has to do with things like:
- Killing americans in non-war countries with drones and without a trial
- Not only authorizing but demanding that the NDAA cover american citizens (military can permanently hold american citizens without trial)
- Promising hope and change but only providing more of the status quo. (I realize he inherited a difficult situation, but don't try to blow rainbows up our a**es.)
- Cutting funding to NASA when that's a drop in the bucket to the wasteful spending his administration has authorized.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Id give you a "like" Nick but the button is covered by your post..

Good luck with Gimme... I put him on ignore.. you may want to also...

Thanks, I think when you want to like a post you have to hit "like" before you respond to the post. I've only been here for a short period of time but that is what I have noticed.

But I appreciate that you dig what I'm saying.

Yeah, I'll probably humiliate this guys intelligence for a little while longer then put him on ignore. haha.. Everything he says or implies is factually wrong - he pretends his own morals and ethics are somehow "civil liberties" - Oh and he has absolutely no idea about the relationship between words and philosophies.

It's kinda fun....

 

[Gimmesometruth]

What the hell are you talking about? the mess I leave behind? what like the assets I own? like the ZERO credit I have, hence owe? My death would be lucrative...

This is so messed up, how could it be "lucrative" if you have no assets? If you have no assets and you leave behind a body, then the county picks up the cost of disposing of your body. And you again show that you don't realize the loss to the community your suicide has.

Who gives a phrack about "unhealthy activity?" what I do doesn't concern you - it's none of your damn business

If your unhealthy activity negatively affects the community, then it is a concern.

- and who I screw and love is none of your damn business either.

It is your concern if you are restricted from marrying who you want....that was the point.

Oh yeah there you go using words like "community" again. Sorry to explain to you that community is PC for collective, hence collectivism, group or commune.

You are so hung up on twisting community/city/county/country in "communism".

Look above^^



No, but I did because I'm more articulate than you are. Would you like more synonyms for conformity, collectivism or a general thought process that is conformed?

You are so confused.

Marriage isn't a right, it's not even legislation.

Um, in this country, the SC has found that marriage IS a civil right....which was the basis for Loving v Virginia.

I am concerned with civil liberties, and the majority of what the progressives are concerned about are NOT civil liberties - I would strongly advise you to read the Bill of Rights. The majority of progressive grievances fall under the Tenth Amendment - hence states have the right to self legislate.

You should really learn the Bill of Rights/Constitution before even attempting to debate me.

I see, you are against fed restrictions on civil rights, but OK if the restrictions come at a state level.