Why is the border such a big problem now?

[ataraxia]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Because Trump needed an enemy so he could make himself a hero. Classic authoritarian leadership style same as Hitler, Mussolini, and his “love” interest, Un.

 

[Mycroft]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

That peak was over a million illegal immigrants a year. Sure, it's dropped since but it's rising again...and it's now 300,000 a year. In Feb, it was over 75,000...in one month.

Now, you say, "it's not as bad as it used to be...", but those numbers are STILL bad. Add in the drugs, human trafficing, the massive increase in numbers of children, criminals...it all adds up to a crisis.

A better question is this: Why are people willing to put up with this crisis? Why are they unwilling to do something about it?

 

[Grokmaster]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

Nearly 80,000 attempted illegal crossings per month. Some dangerous, violent criminals, but virtually ALL UNVACCINATED, and ignoring our laws.

 

[Grokmaster]

Because Trump needed an enemy so he could make himself a hero. Classic authoritarian leadership style same as Hitler, Mussolini, and his “love” interest, Un.

 

[snakestretcher]

Nearly 80,000 attempted illegal crossings per month. Some dangerous, violent criminals, but virtually ALL UNVACCINATED, and ignoring our laws.

"virtually ALL UNVACCINATED". And you have the evidence, don't you?

 

[cabse5]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

Because Homeland Security chief Neilsen has stated many times that increasingly those illegally crossing the border are not from Mexico, are seeking asylum and are accompanied children and there is no US immigration law in place to send them back to the country of their origin if they don't qualify for immigration or asylum status. Catch and release into the US occurs.

Congress needs to do their jobs on illegal immigration.

Side note: My take? Term limits for all the bastards.

 

[trouble13]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

You seem to think conservatives have just recently started voicing their concerns over this problem. This problem has been talked about for at least 40 years now. What has changed is there is someone in Washington willing to spend his political capital on doing something about it. More lip service isn't going to cut it this time. Real changes at the border are going to happen or there are gonna be a lot of angry voters.

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[americanwoman]

Nearly 80,000 attempted illegal crossings per month. Some dangerous, violent criminals, but virtually ALL UNVACCINATED, and ignoring our laws.

All unvaccinated? :lol:

Hate to break it to you but on average Americans have around the same vaccination rates at Central Americans and you actually have more to fear about unvaccinated Americans than Central Americans.

 

[americanwoman]

You seem to think conservatives have just recently started voicing their concerns over this problem. This problem has been talked about for at least 40 years now. What has changed is there is someone in Washington willing to spend his political capital on doing something about it. More lip service isn't going to cut it this time. Real changes at the border are going to happen or there are gonna be a lot of angry voters.

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Yes, if I remember my history correctly Republicans/Conservatives not only talked about but actually gave amnesty. Let's not pretend it's all on Dems/Left that are blocking any real efforts.

We don't need to start with changes at the border, we need to start with enforcing our laws like hiring illegals because that's what they come here for, the work. But you won't see Mr. Trump, who talks a good game but hires illegals, doing those kind of logical changes to actually solve the problem.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

Because it is a great wedge issue for Conservatives to bring up at will and make "crisis" politically convenient.

 

[WCH]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

The economy did have an effect. Now that it's good again, the resurgence.

Plus now, everyone claims to be a refugee.

 

[washunut]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

Don't agree that it is only conservatives that care about illegal immigration. Democratic politicians used to say they were for immigration reform as recently as Obama.

Not sure what is hard to understand. The country is very concerned about income inequality. Does anyone think that bringing illegal competitors helps the American worker. People say they are concerned about the national debt,education,health care etc. Do you really think that the cost of educating the child of an illegal immigrant is free. Yes the kids deserve an education the question is who pays. Do you think when an unskilled illegal worker gets sick and goes to the emergency room that is free.

Not sure why this is a partisan issue. IMO we should want immigration,legally the way many of our grandparents etc came here. While remembering the skills we want to bring into the country are different now than they were in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Perhaps the real question is why do democrats now want open borders when that was never the case. The answer probably rests with cheap partisan politics.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

Violent crime reached it's peak in the mid 1990's - since it is lower now, should we no longer worry about that? Border security and interior immigration law enforcement are 100% a federal government responsibility. With over 70K illegal border crossings documented in one month, we are on pace to have about 1M annually which is unacceptable.

Since congress is unwilling to enact mandatory E-Verify, the economic incentive for folks to earn as much in one day working in the US as they could earn by working all week in their homelands is a strong incentive to get here by any means necessary. Couple that with "catch and release" for any who claim asylum status and you have a real mess to deal with at the border.

 

[Mycroft]

Don't agree that it is only conservatives that care about illegal immigration. Democratic politicians used to say they were for immigration reform as recently as Obama.

Not sure what is hard to understand. The country is very concerned about income inequality. Does anyone think that bringing illegal competitors helps the American worker. People say they are concerned about the national debt,education,health care etc. Do you really think that the cost of educating the child of an illegal immigrant is free. Yes the kids deserve an education the question is who pays. Do you think when an unskilled illegal worker gets sick and goes to the emergency room that is free.

Not sure why this is a partisan issue. IMO we should want immigration,legally the way many of our grandparents etc came here. While remembering the skills we want to bring into the country are different now than they were in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Perhaps the real question is why do democrats now want open borders when that was never the case. The answer probably rests with cheap partisan politics.

There are two answers to the "real question":

1. Money

2. Trump hate

 

[RaleBulgarian]

A better question is this: Why are people willing to put up with this crisis? Why are they unwilling to do something about it?

People do want to do something about it, they just don’t agree on what to do. And Trump’s vilification of immigrants only aggravates the situation.

Nearly 80,000 attempted illegal crossings per month. Some dangerous, violent criminals, but virtually ALL UNVACCINATED, and ignoring our laws.

Don’t forget to add that 50% of the immigrants are MS-13, and there other 50% are rapists and murderers.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Because it is the republicans sole ploy. That and abortion. blame all the troubles of hte world on the brown people while they let their rich friends take turns on their constituency why they are distracted. They have been doing it for 4 decades now

I can't believe how dumb their constituency is that they continue to fall for such an obvious ploy, over and over again. Or do many of these people know they are being stupid but are just such assholes they don't care

 

[Mycroft]

People do want to do something about it, they just don’t agree on what to do. And Trump’s vilification of immigrants only aggravates the situation.

Nonsense.

Trump doesn't vilify immigrants.

Congress doesn't want to do anything...they just want you to think they do, so they talk a lot and do nothing.

 

[trouble13]

Yes, if I remember my history correctly Republicans/Conservatives not only talked about but actually gave amnesty. Let's not pretend it's all on Dems/Left that are blocking any real efforts.

We don't need to start with changes at the border, we need to start with enforcing our laws like hiring illegals because that's what they come here for, the work. But you won't see Mr. Trump, who talks a good game but hires illegals, doing those kind of logical changes to actually solve the problem.

I never laid this entirely at the feet of dems nor do I lay it entirely at the feet of employers as you seem to be doing. Both parties and businesses all contribute to the problem.

It's interesting how you seem to think making it more difficult for them to work solves the problem but you didn't say a word about cutting Off their access to gov services or changing the law to allow them to be detained long enough to go through our court system.

According to the left we have a moral obligation to accept these people because they are fleeing from unlivable conditions. If that's true how does making it more difficult for them to find employment deter them from fleeing their homeland and coming here?

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[ttwtt78640]

Nonsense.

Trump doesn't vilify immigrants.

Congress doesn't want to do anything...they just want you to think they do, so they talk a lot and do nothing.

Doing nothing about border security and interior immigration law enforcement has yielded a re-election rate of over 90% for congress critters. Only a fool would seek to change policies which are that politically acceptable. Some see more immigration (legal or not) as a great way to keep US wages low while others see the resulting demographic changes as a plus - those two groups combined result in nothing being done to reduce the level of immigration (legal or not).

 

[DarkWizard12]

Illegal border crossings reached a peak between the years 2000 to 2007. They have been dropping dramatically since then, to the point where there is even a net movement of illegal immigrants out of the country. Deportations of Illegal immigrants were very high under Obama, to the point where he was known as the “deporter in chief”.

So how come, after the problem reached a peak over 10 years ago, this is a such an urgent crisis now for conservatives? How come this was not an issue at all, as far as I recall, with conservatives when the problem was at its peak under George W. Bush and that economy was slipping into the greatest recession in our history?

It was always a problem, just no one did anything about it, and now, it's probably too late.

 

[tecoyah]

Thread: Why is the border such a big problem now?

Because our President has decided it is and his minions follow suit, in Congress and otherwise.

Our southern border is now a political tool.

 

[VanceMack]

Because 78,000 people crossed over illegally in one month and ****head rat politicians refuse to do their jobs.

 

[americanwoman]

I never laid this entirely at the feet of dems nor do I lay it entirely at the feet of employers as you seem to be doing. Both parties and businesses all contribute to the problem.

It's interesting how you seem to think making it more difficult for them to work solves the problem but you didn't say a word about cutting Off their access to gov services or changing the law to allow them to be detained long enough to go through our court system.

According to the left we have a moral obligation to accept these people because they are fleeing from unlivable conditions. If that's true how does making it more difficult for them to find employment deter them from fleeing their homeland and coming here?

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Just because I haven't mentioned services does not mean I am not for it, if you review my posting history on the subject I am all for it. I just think it's such a big mess we need to take one large step at a time. Knowing our government trying to do a huge thing at once like that will only mark it for failure.

I don't know about a moral obligation but I do feel for those people. If they are good citizens and want to work at a farm where our farmers need workers, then why not let them come stay and build a life with restrictions? If they want to cause any trouble, work illegally, or try and get benefits simply deport them.

We also need to review birthright citizenship because that is also making this issue way more complicated when they have kids that are citizens.

 

[noonereal]

Because Trump needed an enemy so he could make himself a hero. Classic authoritarian leadership style same as Hitler, Mussolini, and his “love” interest, Un.

The obvious answer.

I am not sure why someone needs to ask the question.