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Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

Oh. We call those numbers "statistics".
Well sure there's statistics on people committing murder in suicide but you know what the statistics of gun owners are I don't do those things?

It seems like you're cherry-picking the stats you like.
 
It's not really emotional so much as a factual. And my point remains: gun folks both insist guns aren't anything more interesting than any other household tool, except they also insist only sacred guns can keep anyone safe.
No it’s emotional. Factually the right to gun ownership requires a lot more hoops to jump through than exercising “ free speech”
Even though that free speech costs lives , even in excess of gun deaths.

Yes guns are just a tool. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t an important tool when it comes to self defense.
The only one being emotional here is you calling claiming firearms are “ sacred”. To gun owners.
However as far as keeping everyone safe?

Do you suggest that the us military should divest itself of all firearms as well as the police?
Surely without firearms they can keep the nation and society safe..
yes or no? .
 
Not sure what you mean. There are numerous safety regulations in place for all those things. These tools are subject to manufacturing standards from organizations like OSHA, ANSI, and the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC). For example, chainsaws must have features like blade guards, chain brakes, and throttle interlocks to reduce risk. Power tools also require UL certification for electrical safety. In workplaces, OSHA mandates training, protective equipment, and proper handling procedures. Even for home users, retailers provide warnings and safety manuals, and there are liability laws encouraging manufacturers to design safer tools. The point here is that while you’re not forced to take a class to buy a chainsaw, there are still systems in place to reduce accidental harm because those tools are inherently dangerous.

But regardless, guns are more dangerous tools than those other things you listed. They are not tools meant for construction or yard work — their primary design purpose is to kill or injure. A person misusing a chainsaw might hurt someone nearby, but it’s nearly impossible to commit a mass killing with a chainsaw or angle grinder (outside of cheesy horror movies). One angry or unstable person with a gun, however, can kill multiple people- in seconds. That’s why it’s more appropriate to compare guns to cars than to power tools. Cars can also be deadly when misused, and as a result we require licenses, registration, insurance, written and driving tests, and regular renewals. Guns, which are far more effective for intentional harm, should logically be regulated even more carefully — not less. But even cars have far more regulations on their manufacture, sale, and use than firearms today.

So the fact that tools are “up to you to use safely” isn't quite accurate, and doesn’t undermine the case for gun control. It just proves that the more dangerous and lethal something is, the more regulation it reasonably deserves.
Hmm explain the extensive regulation on alcohol considering that it’s a causal factor in far more deaths than firearms.
 
Oh . So then firearms are necessary for people’s protection.
You just killed your own argument.
Only if your argument that anyone holding a gun is equal ro a trained LEO. Which is a really dumb argument.
 
Only if your argument that anyone holding a gun is equal ro a trained LEO. Which is a really dumb argument.

Not even any trained LEO is necessarily equal to another trained LEO.

The dumb argument is yours.
 
Not even any trained LEO is necessarily equal to another trained LEO.

The dumb argument is yours.
That would be comparing an apple to an apple. Are you now arguing that citizens are equal to LEO's? I don't think you're arguing that but if so, it still wouldn't be the dumbest argument you've made so far.
 
Only if your argument that anyone holding a gun is equal ro a trained LEO. Which is a really dumb argument.
Anybody who has shot with LEOs knows that they aren’t trained at all. One week at the academy and maybe a day or two to r equal every year is not “trained”. (Obviously, I am not including special units like SWAT).

Most recreational shooters and competitive shooters are at the range weekly or monthly and shooting a lot more than LEO.
 
That would be comparing an apple to an apple. Are you now arguing that citizens are equal to LEO's? I don't think you're arguing that but if so, it still wouldn't be the dumbest argument you've made so far.

Equal in what way?
 
Anybody who has shot with LEOs knows that they aren’t trained at all. One week at the academy and maybe a day or two to r equal every year is not “trained”. (Obviously, I am not including special units like SWAT).

Most recreational shooters and competitive shooters are at the range weekly or monthly and shooting a lot more than LEO.
Ohhh...that's what separates a professional law enforcement officer from a civvie. Shooting range skillz. 🤣
 
Ohhh...that's what separates a professional law enforcement officer from a civvie. Shooting range skillz. 🤣
Nope. I was addressing your assertion that LEOs are “trained”.

Only if your argument that anyone holding a gun is equal ro a trained LEO. Which is a really dumb argument.
Most recreational and competitive shooters are better trained than the average LEO.
 
Actually power tools are an example of a dangerous item and they're not regulated in the slightest I can be a felon the suspended license and walk into home Depot in by a chainsaw without even showing my ID as long as I pay cash.

I can do the same thing with the car I could walk up to somebody selling their car pay them cash I don't need to prove that I have insurance or driver's license or that I'm a certain age I can just buy it it's mine.

The things you want to compare it to (when you got shown how ridiculous you are for doing it and move the goal posts) aren't regulated at all.

I have a friend that just bought 200 cars on one day he's a felon he has a suspended license he went to the courthouse and they approved every single title transfer so there's no regulations on owning cars.

And yes the safety regarding operating power tools is 100% on you and nobody else can be in charge of your safety.
Wait, you are saying cars are not regulated?

They are far more regulated than firearms.

Of course though it's true that different classes of potentially hazardous equipment require different regulations- unless you want regulations requiring all firearms have rear view mirrors and turn signals.
 
Statistics aren't politically prescriptive.

Almost every argument the gun control zealots have, amounts to little more than a whine that people sometimes shoot other people with guns.
How do you think they went from correlation to causation in the tobacco/cancer link?
 
How do you think they went from correlation to causation in the tobacco/cancer link?

Irrelevant. There's no political prescriptive imperative in data. Doesn't matter if causation is supported or not.
 
Wait, you are saying cars are not regulated?

They are far more regulated than firearms.

Of course though it's true that different classes of potentially hazardous equipment require different regulations- unless you want regulations requiring all firearms have rear view mirrors and turn signals.

That justifies the lack of regulation concerning the ownership and possession of motor vehicles?
 
Irrelevant. There's no political prescriptive imperative in data. Doesn't matter if causation is supported or not.

Oh so this is new. Before you were saying there is no proof there is any causation. Now you are saying you don't even care if there is. Am I mistaken?
 
Oh so this is new. Before you were saying there is no proof there is any causation. Now you are saying you don't even care if there is. Am I mistaken?

No, you're not mistaken. Your problem though, is you've never proven causation even though you so often imply it exists.

But even if it exists, that doesn't mean a specific political prescription can be derived from it.
 
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