Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

[Lord of Planar]

Until society wants to clamp down on drivers with bad habits, topics like this are asinine.

Goodbye

 

[smb3802]

Until society wants to clamp down on drivers with bad habits, topics like this are asinine.

Goodbye

Bye bye. Obviously reality is not one of your planes of existence.

 

[RF667799]

BS. I am not changing anything. Your mischaracterization notwithstanding. Please post a quote where I said all toys were dangerous. I said no such thing. It is funny you feel the need to lie and try to "bluster" your way through the obvious facts. That statistically speaking most gun purchases...about 66% are purchases for recreation. It is also clear from statistics that using inherently dangerous objects that are for recreation i.e. toys is much more dangerous than when used professionally. I have to wonder why this is so contentious. It would seem it has struck nerve.

Still no statistics to support your claims...

And even if there was, you're a long way from supporting the premise in the OP.

But feel free to keep shitting your duplicitous posts in the forum. They're great illustration.

 

[smb3802]

Still no statistics to support your claims...

I am not your secretary. The studies are there for you to research. Just because you are scared to or whatever this is doesn't make it my problem. I don't know why you and others are so triggered by this but it is obvious you are.

 

[RF667799]

I am not your secretary. The studies are there for you to research. Just because you are scared to or whatever this is doesn't make it my problem. I don't know why you and others are so triggered by this but it is obvious you are.

That’s good. Claim there is statistical evidence supporting your babble, and refuse to provide any.

My conclusion is the evidence doesn't exist, and you're trying to operate your argument on bullshit.

 

[RF667799]

Less than .0005% of gun owners suffer a fatal accident per year.

The "toy" argument doesn't appear to be significant enough to be visible.

 

[Rich2018]

More inane jibberish.

Like his assertion that cars are designed to kill.

 

[RF667799]

Like his assertion that cars are designed to kill.

You're welcome to quote me making that assertion.

Which will happen first? That or the other poster supporting her statistical argument with statistics?

 

[smb3802]

Like his assertion that cars are designed to kill.

More gibberish. I never stated that you stating that is a lie.

 

[smb3802]

That’s good. Claim there is statistical evidence supporting your babble, and refuse to provide any.

My conclusion is the evidence doesn't exist, and you're trying to operate your argument on bullshit.

I am not your secretary. I have done the research. Instead of being triggered by facts and whining...do some research.

 

[RF667799]

More gibberish. I never stated that you stating that is a lie.

No, Rich is claiming that I assert that. That's the lie.

 

[RF667799]

I am not your secretary. I have done the research. Instead of being triggered by facts and whining...do some research.

Sorry. We tend to not accept "Because I say so" as a valid argument here.

Attempting to bullshit your way through a discussion in this forum, generally doesn't have good outcomes. What happens, is the poster attempting that loses credibility and becomes an object of fun.

A "toy", as it would be.

 

[smb3802]

Sorry. We tend to not accept "Because I say so" as a valid argument here.

Attempting to bullshit your way through a discussion in this forum, generally doesn't have good outcomes. What happens, is the poster attempting that loses credibility and becomes an object of fun.

A "toy", as it would be.

Instead you demand others do your busy work for you. Not me. Wallow in ignorance or try do something about the epidemic of gun related injuries and accidents in this country. The facts are simple recreational gun ownership leads to laxed safety amongst many of the owners which in turn leads to higher gun incidents. The fix is obvious...required training and storage laws. I know, I know that interferes with the two-year old demand of I want my gun and I want it now. I would think responsible gun owners, which I used to be one, would welcome such change. Instead you get triggered about the obvious statistical conclusions.

 

[RF667799]

Instead you demand others do your busy work for you. Not me. Wallow in ignorance or try do something about the epidemic of gun related injuries and accidents in this country. The facts are simple recreational gun ownership leads to laxed safety amongst many of the owners which in turn leads to higher gun incidents. The fix is obvious...required training and storage laws. I know, I know that interferes with the two-year old demand of I want my gun and I want it now. I would think responsible gun owners, which I used to be one, would welcome such change. Instead you get triggered about the obvious statistical conclusions.

You talk about facts and statistics, and have provided none.

You talk about an "epidemic" of less than 500 fatalities in a population of 100 million.

Now tell us about your proposed storage laws, how they would be enforced, and how much reduction we could expect in an already negligible number of accidental deaths.

 

[Lursa]

BS. I didn't lie. You can access if you a. have one on your bookshelf as I do...the compact edition. I don't have room for 20 volumes. b. you can pay for the online subscription. Assuming someone is lying just because are too lazy to do your own research is telling.

Meh, if you cant prove it, you cant prove it and you know you would prove me wrong if you could.

 

[jaeger19]

The facts are in evidence. There have been countless studies on gun purchases. Most come to about the same level. Well over 60% of gun purchases are completed for recreational use.

Equal studies have revealed that higher rates of accidents occur during recreational use of objects. This is true of recreational marijuana use, backyard swimming pools etc. etc. The data is conclusive. The facts are there in study after study. Please avail yourself of some of them.

Yes. Again so what.
Your contention is that having a firearm for recreational purposes necessarily means you are unsafe with it.
There is no evidence of that other than your opinion.

First . You cannot assume that all recreational use is accompanied by a higher rate of accidents.

Certainly the rate of accidents during a nascar race , is far greater than the rate of accidents of people on a recreational drive.

Most likely the same with firearms.
Given how officers are expected to do extremely strenuous activities with firearms , carry constantly , and make split second decisions with them ( unlike recreational shooters)
It’s very reasonable to believe the accident rate is considerably higher among police officers and other Leo’s and security.

 

[smb3802]

You talk about facts and statistics, and have provided none.

You talk about an "epidemic" of less than 500 fatalities in a population of 100 million.

Now tell us about your proposed storage laws, how they would be enforced, and how much reduction we could expect in an already negligible number of accidental deaths.

Again not going to do your research for you. The facts are that

Sorry. We tend to not accept "Because I say so" as a valid argument here.

Attempting to bullshit your way through a discussion in this forum, generally doesn't have good outcomes. What happens, is the poster attempting that loses credibility and becomes an object of fun.

A "toy", as it would be.

You don't have to accept because I say. Do the research.

 

[smb3802]

You talk about facts and statistics, and have provided none.

You talk about an "epidemic" of less than 500 fatalities in a population of 100 million.

Now tell us about your proposed storage laws, how they would be enforced, and how much reduction we could expect in an already negligible number of accidental deaths.

If you don't think there is an epidemic of gun deaths in the U.S. then you are delusional. We outpace every industrialized country by over 10X the rate of gun deaths is 30X greater in the U.S. compared the average of other industrialized nations. We outpace almost every other non-industrialized nation in gun deaths. To suggest it isn't a problem is to bury your head in the sand.

 

[RF667799]

Again not going to do your research for you. The facts are that

Hahaha! You seem to have ended your thoughts before informing us of those facts.

You don't have to accept because I say. Do the research.

I did. You're wrong.

 

[RF667799]

If you don't think there is an epidemic of gun deaths in the U.S. then you are delusional. We outpace every industrialized country by over 10X the rate of gun deaths is 30X greater in the U.S. compared the average of other industrialized nations. We outpace almost every other non-industrialized nation in gun deaths. To suggest it isn't a problem is to bury your head in the sand.

Oh. Now it's "gun deaths".

Sorry. Not all that many of those either, and most are self inflicted.

 

[smb3802]

Hahaha! You seem to have ended your thoughts before informing us of those facts.

I did. You're wrong.

No you didn't because I am not wrong and the facts are as plain as the nose on your face.

Oh. Now it's "gun deaths".

Sorry. Not all that many of those either, and most are self inflicted.

Not all that many. 30X the average of other industrialized nations....that is nonsensical.

 

[RF667799]

No you didn't because I am not wrong and the facts are as plain as the nose on your face.

Those facts you refuse to inform us of. Your private facts.

Not all that many. 30X the average of other industrialized nations....that is nonsensical.

Oh you're making some sort of relative claim based on cherry picked statistics.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

If you don't think there is an epidemic of gun deaths in the U.S. then you are delusional. We outpace every industrialized country by over 10X the rate of gun deaths is 30X greater in the U.S. compared the average of other industrialized nations. We outpace almost every other non-industrialized nation in gun deaths. To suggest it isn't a problem is to bury your head in the sand.

I have a question then, why do you think gun owners are buying so many guns for recreational use? These are expensive purchases. Shouldn't they be investing in something else instead?

 

[RF667799]

I have a question then, why do you think gun owners are buying so many guns for recreational use? These are expensive purchases. Shouldn't they be investing in something else instead?

Shouldn't you be doing something more constructive than nagging people with questions that have an amazingly silly premise?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

There's a zillion links to them so it's clear you still have no idea what you're talking about. I said universal because you'll see the same 4 in every case.

Just google 4 universal gun rules. Sampling:

4 Primary Rules of Firearm Safety

While you’re at the shooting range or anywhere you handle a firearm safety ALWAYS comes first. Here are the 4 Primary Rules of Firearms Safety.

www.nssf.org

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/a-fresh-look-at-the-basic-rules-of-gun-safety-which-set-do-you-use/

Armed Defense Training Association - 4 Rules of Gun Safety

https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Portals/207/Docs/wtbn/MPMS/DIV%2024%20Pistol%20Weapons%20Handling_Media.pdf?ver=2015-06-15-134604-773

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. RF6 says there are no universal gun rules. You're claiming you're right. How do we know who is right? Because it matters quite a big deal if there are universal rules or not.