Why is the average firearm owner, an unsafe gun owner?

[RF667799]

Perhaps the average gun owner doesn't have a Meteor Impact Plan in place, and thus the previously unsupported premise of the thread magically becomes true.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Answer my question. You hve lost any good will in extra effort on my part by your BSing over and over.

WHat does that have to do with clean drinking water?
"then they need to know important facts about how to maintain firearms and dangers regarding firearms."

Because gun owners don't understand home security and what constitutes home security. In order to make that point I use the example of clean drinking water to start expanding the definition of what constitutes home security. If gun owners can't understand or are limited to what home security is, then they're not going to be safe with firearms.

Now answer my question. Did you bother looking at any of the sources from the OP before responding?

 

[Lursa]

Because gun owners don't understand home security and what constitutes home security. In order to make that point I use the example of clean drinking water to start expanding the definition of what constitutes home security. If gun owners can't understand or are limited to what home security is, then they're not going to be safe with firearms.

I still absolutely dont accept that analogy and I've explained a million times why. People dont "need" to understand "clean drinking water" for home security.

I made a clear distinction in post 971 that you ignored. Please address the bold in that post before going on further. I'm not discussing further until you do because IMO the "gap" is on your part, not mine. Address it and prove it's not.

 

[RF667799]

Because gun owners don't understand home security and what constitutes home security. In order to make that point I use the example of clean drinking water to start expanding the definition of what constitutes home security. If gun owners can't understand or are limited to what home security is, then they're not going to be safe with firearms.

Now answer my question. Did you bother looking at any of the sources from the OP before responding?

See post 1001.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I still absolutely dont accept that analogy and I've explained a million times why. People dont "need" to understand "clean drinking water" for home security.

I made a clear distinction in post 971 that you ignored. Please address the bold in that post before going on further.

I don't care if you accept it or not. But if you are not satisfied that gun owners seem to not understand basic safety issues, this was a serious issue in the 2010's:

"
The ruling, issued Thursday by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, finds that the Firearms Owners Privacy Act (FOPA) — known colloquially as “Docs vs Glocks” — violates medical practitioners’ free speech rights under the First Amendment. Advocates of the law, which took effect in 2011, had argued that prohibiting doctors from discussing firearm ownership with their patients was necessary to protect Second Amendment freedoms.


The court roundly rejected that argument, ruling that questions from a physician cannot in any way be construed as infringing upon an individual’s gun rights. "

Florida Doctors Are Free to Talk to Their Patients About Guns Again

A federal appeals court has struck down key portions of a Florida law that barred medical professionals from asking their patients whether they owned guns. The ruling, issued Thursday by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, finds that the Firearms Owners Privacy Act (FOPA) — known...

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Keep going on ignoring the question I ask.

I think I'm up to 5 people who didn't bother looking at the OP.

 

[jaeger19]

Correct! It's like people need to make sure they are considering all of the security issues when it goes into buying firearms. But if they're not or are not trained on it, then they're potentially missing out on very serious issues involving firearms.

Great. So leave people to make the decisions for themselves and stop saying absurd things like 50% of gun owners are unsafe.

 

[RF667799]

"Let's discuss my assertion that the average gun owner is an unsafe gun owner.

But first, let me move the goalposts so as to include clean drinking water, the possibility of extraterrestrial objects striking the house, and whatever else I can think of."

 

[Lursa]

I don't care if you accept it or not. But if you are not satisfied that gun owners seem to not understand basic safety issues, this was a serious issue in the 2010's:

"
The ruling, issued Thursday by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, finds that the Firearms Owners Privacy Act (FOPA) — known colloquially as “Docs vs Glocks” — violates medical practitioners’ free speech rights under the First Amendment. Advocates of the law, which took effect in 2011, had argued that prohibiting doctors from discussing firearm ownership with their patients was necessary to protect Second Amendment freedoms.


The court roundly rejected that argument, ruling that questions from a physician cannot in any way be construed as infringing upon an individual’s gun rights. "

Florida Doctors Are Free to Talk to Their Patients About Guns Again

A federal appeals court has struck down key portions of a Florida law that barred medical professionals from asking their patients whether they owned guns. The ruling, issued Thursday by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, finds that the Firearms Owners Privacy Act (FOPA) — known...

www.thetrace.org

Keep going on ignoring the question I ask.

I think I'm up to 5 people who didn't bother looking at the OP.

I still absolutely dont accept that analogy and I've explained a million times why. People dont "need" to understand "clean drinking water" for home security.

I made a clear distinction in post 971 that you ignored. Please address the bold in that post before going on further. I'm not discussing further until you do because IMO the "gap" is on your part, not mine. Address it and prove it's not.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Great. So leave people to make the decisions for themselves and stop saying absurd things like 50% of gun owners are unsafe.

The medical professional telling people to make unsafe decisions... Imagine a medical professional telling people to drink as much as they want because they can decide that for themselves.

 

[jaeger19]

Because gun owners don't understand home security and what constitutes home security. In order to make that point I use the example of clean drinking water to start expanding the definition of what constitutes home security. If gun owners can't understand or are limited to what home security is, then they're not going to be safe with firearms.

Now answer my question. Did you bother looking at any of the sources from the OP before responding?

How do you arrive at this idea that gun owners don’t understand what constitutes home security????

 

[braindrain]

K

You running away is blatantly obvious. And pathetic.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

@Lursa Can't even respond to you. But I think that's the point. You didn't bother doing something as basic as look at the OP but demand something of me.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

How do you arrive at this idea that gun owners don’t understand what constitutes home security????

I think you're person 4/5 who didn't bother to read the OP because the OP already answers that. I've said it multiple times. Source 3.

 

[RF667799]

I don't care if you accept it or not. But if you are not satisfied that gun owners seem to not understand basic safety issues, this was a serious issue in the 2010's:

"
The ruling, issued Thursday by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, finds that the Firearms Owners Privacy Act (FOPA) — known colloquially as “Docs vs Glocks” — violates medical practitioners’ free speech rights under the First Amendment. Advocates of the law, which took effect in 2011, had argued that prohibiting doctors from discussing firearm ownership with their patients was necessary to protect Second Amendment freedoms.


The court roundly rejected that argument, ruling that questions from a physician cannot in any way be construed as infringing upon an individual’s gun rights. "

Florida Doctors Are Free to Talk to Their Patients About Guns Again

A federal appeals court has struck down key portions of a Florida law that barred medical professionals from asking their patients whether they owned guns. The ruling, issued Thursday by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, finds that the Firearms Owners Privacy Act (FOPA) — known...

www.thetrace.org

Keep going on ignoring the question I ask.

I think I'm up to 5 people who didn't bother looking at the OP.

I agree that a doctor asking about gun ownership doesn't infringe on 2nd Amendment rights.

I can tell that doctor to **** off, and I can retain the services of one that minds his own business in the future.

 

[jaeger19]

The medical professional telling people to make unsafe decisions... Imagine a medical professional telling people to drink as much as they want because they can decide that for themselves.

What medical professional is telling people to make unsafe decisions? Sure as heck not me.

And alcohol?
Really.
Drinking alcohol basically cannot be done safely.
Firearms use can be done safely.

 

[Lursa]

@Lursa Can't even respond to you. But I think that's the point. You didn't bother doing something as basic as look at the OP but demand something of me.

I have not changed my basic premise this whole time: for you to validate your use of drinking water as some analogy supporting understanding safety and gun ownership. You have failed over and over and refuse to address what I've posted (post 971 as an example) directly.

You are clearly the one hiding, as I've mentioned many times...your posts demonstrate nothing more than regurgitation that you cannot adapt to fluid discussion when you receive new information. Complete inflexibility and inability to re-adjust to debate. Very unprepared for the opposing views.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I agree that a doctor asking about gun ownership doesn't infringe on 2nd Amendment rights.

I can tell that doctor to **** off, and I can retain the services of one that minds his own business in the future.

@Lursa, fun fact! One of the common responses to gun owners that post things like this is that doctors had to talk about other safety issues in the household, like if they got nutrition, safe drinking water, etc.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

What medical professional is telling people to make unsafe decisions? Sure as heck not me.

And alcohol?
Really.
Drinking alcohol basically cannot be done safely.
Firearms use can be done safely.

Except they're not. But if you read the OP you would know that.

 

[RF667799]

I think you're person 4/5 who didn't bother to read the OP because the OP already answers that. I've said it multiple times. Source 3.

Do YOU have a plan in place for protection against all the glass doorknobs exploding in your house?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

I have not changed my basic premise this whole time: for you to validate your use of drinking water as some analogy supporting understanding safety and gun ownership. You have failed over and over and refuse to address what I've posted (post 971 as an example) directly.

You are clearly the one hiding, as I've mentioned many times...your posts demonstrate nothing more than regurgitation that you cannot adapt to fluid discussion when you receive new information. Complete inflexibility and inability to re-adjust to debate. Very unprepared for the opposing views.

Go read the OP and then respond to me.

 

[Lursa]

@Lursa, fun fact! One of the common responses to gun owners that post things like this is that doctors had to talk about other safety issues in the household, like if they got nutrition, safe drinking water, etc.

Still baseless and unfounded. Pure regurgitated connections you have been unable to support.

 

[Lursa]

Go read the OP and then respond to me.

I still absolutely dont accept that analogy and I've explained a million times why. People dont "need" to understand "clean drinking water" for home security.

I made a clear distinction in post 971 that you ignored. Please address the bold in that post before going on further. I'm not discussing further until you do because IMO the "gap" is on your part, not mine. Address it and prove it's not.

 

[RF667799]

@Lursa, fun fact! One of the common responses to gun owners that post things like this is that doctors had to talk about other safety issues in the household, like if they got nutrition, safe drinking water, etc.

Not my response.

It should be yours, though.

BTW...what makes any given doctor an authority on home security? We're talking about medical doctors, right?

 

[jaeger19]

Except they're not. But if you read the OP you would know that.

Of course they can . Millions are used every day safely.
Unlike alcohol.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Of course they can . Millions are used every day safely.
Unlike alcohol.

For every million used safely... another million is used unsafely. Source 1.

Imagine being a medical professional who doesn't think about how their patients need to be safe in the home.