Why Is Israel Important To The US?

[makmugens]

Title says it. Why is Israel so important to the United States?

Aside from friendship, I don't see much coming in from the relationship. Someone did point out to me that it was the US that was important to Israel...but I wanted to see what people thought.

 

[Gardener]

Why are Jews so important to you that you devote so much of your attention maligning them?

The answer to your question, though, has to do with the existence of so many creatures in the world such as yourself who also persecute them and the fact Israel represents their self determination.

 

[JusticeForSome?]

Why are Jews so important to you that you devote so much of your attention maligning them?

The answer to your question, though, has to do with the existence of so many creatures in the world such as yourself who also persecute them and the fact Israel represents their self determination.

There's a lot of ethnic groups in the world that are persecuted and don't receive undying support from the USA. I think the more significant aspect is simply that Israel has incredibly strong lobbying power within the US, particularly through AIPAC. So much so that they are able to get the President to back down on his own words under their pressure.

It's also important to remember that America isn't doing this out of some moral obligation; close ties with Israel have been incredibly beneficial in the past. Firstly, they provide a very significant geo-political advantage in that they are the only true and powerful US ally within the region, and thus are invaluable in terms of intelligence and support.

 

[Ikari]

Title says it. Why is Israel so important to the United States?

Aside from friendship, I don't see much coming in from the relationship. Someone did point out to me that it was the US that was important to Israel...but I wanted to see what people thought.

It's mostly historic. I don't think we personally get too much from it. It is a western friendly "democracy" of sorts, and we ain't got much of that in the ME (mostly because we've bombed the bejesus out of the rest of the ME) so it's got that going for it too.

 

[JusticeForSome?]

It's mostly historic. I don't think we personally get too much from it. It is a western friendly "democracy" of sorts, and we ain't got much of that in the ME (mostly because we've bombed the bejesus out of the rest of the ME) so it's got that going for it too.

True, the US-Israeli friendship used to be far more beneficial to the US than it is now. Recent relations between the two haven't been as beneficial to America as they one have been, if anything I would argue there's quite an imbalance of sorts in the relationship at this point.

 

[Mr. Invisible]

There's a lot of ethnic groups in the world that are persecuted and don't receive undying support from the USA. I think the more significant aspect is simply that Israel has incredibly strong lobbying power within the US, particularly through AIPAC. So much so that they are able to get the President to back down on his own words under their pressure.

It's also important to remember that America isn't doing this out of some moral obligation; close ties with Israel have been incredibly beneficial in the past. Firstly, they provide a very significant geo-political advantage in that they are the only true and powerful US ally within the region, and thus are invaluable in terms of intelligence and support.

Well, I wouldn't say AIPAC, but rather Israel was supported by the US and other Western nations as a buffer to Arab nationalism. (The Origins of Imperial Israel: A Buffer Against Arab Nationalism « The People's Book Project)

However, I would say that even though there may be a lot of trouble, Israel had to be created.

 

[Medusa]

There's a lot of ethnic groups in the world that are persecuted and don't receive undying support from the USA. I think the more significant aspect is simply that Israel has incredibly strong lobbying power within the US, particularly through AIPAC. So much so that they are able to get the President to back down on his own words under their pressure.

It's also important to remember that America isn't doing this out of some moral obligation; close ties with Israel have been incredibly beneficial in the past. Firstly, they provide a very significant geo-political advantage in that they are the only true and powerful US ally within the region, and thus are invaluable in terms of intelligence and support.

the most powerfull ally is turkey:roll:

 

[CJ 2.0]

the most powerfull ally is turkey:roll:

Turkey may be powerful, but it actually has been acting like a terrible ally. I would largely chalk that up to your current govenrment, but they do seem to win election after election.

 

[Medusa]

Turkey may be powerful, but it actually has been acting like a terrible ally. I would largely chalk that up to your current govenrment, but they do seem to win election after election.

our government doesn not represent our real national politics ,in fact it has no principles for nothing.you know state and government are different concepts .so what is acting like an ass is not turkey but its government.

 

[CJ 2.0]

our government doesn not represent our real national politics ,in fact it has no principles for nothing.you know state and government are different concepts .so what is acting like an ass is not turkey but its government.

I am inclined to agree with you. Though it bugs me a bit that these guys keep winning.

 

[Medusa]

I am inclined to agree with you. Though it bugs me a bit that these guys keep winning.

yes unfortunately ,but i can say turkey is not like an arabian country or iran ,it has a very strong secular basis which can not be destroyed by such fake religious administrations without virtue.

 

[Stormageddon]

Title says it. Why is Israel so important to the United States?

Aside from friendship, I don't see much coming in from the relationship. Someone did point out to me that it was the US that was important to Israel...but I wanted to see what people thought.

They are the only liberal democracy in the region and a staunch ally of the US as such we share similar values and goals for the future regionally and globally, Israel likewise produces per capita the largest number of doctors and scientists on the planet and is a world leader in medical R&D.

 

[Stormageddon]

There's a lot of ethnic groups in the world that are persecuted and don't receive undying support from the USA. I think the more significant aspect is simply that Israel has incredibly strong lobbying power within the US, particularly through AIPAC. So much so that they are able to get the President to back down on his own words under their pressure.

lol ya because AIPAC is far more influential than Arab oil money. :roll:

 

[Ikari]

yes unfortunately ,but i can say turkey is not like an arabian country or iran ,it has a very strong secular basis which can not be destroyed by such fake religious administrations without virtue.

Unless the Kurds are involved. Those poor bastards get ****ed by everyone.

 

[Medusa]

They are the only liberal democracy in the region and a staunch ally of the US as such we share similar values and goals for the future regionally and globally, Israel likewise produces per capita the largest number of doctors and scientists on the planet and is a world leader in medical R&D.

turkey's government may be islamist but it doesnt differ ,turkey is not different from israel..turkey and israel are the only democrats in that region.

 

[Medusa]

Unless the Kurds are involved. Those poor bastards get ****ed by everyone.

kurds of pkk kill our people , pkk kidnapps other innocent kurds to make them a militant of pkk ,and a majority of kurds supports these killers..yes they are bastard.!!...

 

[Stormageddon]

turkey's government may be islamist but it doesnt differ ,turkey is not different from israel..turkey and israel are the only democrats in that region.

Islamism and liberalism are antithetical concepts, Christ there were even riots when the Pope so much as tried to visit the Hagia Sophia, Mein Kampf is a bestseller every year, and as you said the Islamists have been swept into power, Turkey has changed, I'd get out while you can.

 

[Ikari]

kurds of pkk kill our people , pkk kidnapps other innocent kurds to make them a militant of pkk ,and a majority of kurds supports these killers..yes they are bastard.!!...

Yeah, funny how ethnic cleansing has adverse results.

 

[Medusa]

Islamism and liberalism are antithetical concepts, Christ there were even riots when the Pope so much as tried to visit the Hagia Sophia, Mein Kampf is a bestseller every year, and as you said the Islamists have been swept into power, Turkey has changed, I'd get out while you can.

our parvenu government and its religious leader who lives in USA can just try to change turkey and religious akp claims it is liberal ,i know they are opposite ideologies but liar politicians always make such claims. we have not any ku klux klan whether mein kampf is best seller or not.turkey's place and jeopolitical case and its revolutionist system dont let it get capsized

 

[Medusa]

Yeah, funny how ethnic cleansing has adverse results.

please be clear

i dont understand you.

yes there is an ethnic cleansing of pkk!

and many kurdish family has at least 10 children,your liberterianism fails.

 

[Ikari]

please be clear

i dont understand you.

yes there is an ethnic cleansing of pkk!

and many kurdish family has at least 10 children,your liberterianism fails.

Oh well, there you go. They have 10 children/family. It's ok to try to drive them off, kill them off, prevent them from having their rights recognized, etc. I mean, when you smash one there's 9 others to take their place.

 

[Medusa]

Oh well, there you go. They have 10 children/family. It's ok to try to drive them off, kill them off, prevent them from having their rights recognized, etc. I mean, when you smash one there's 9 others to take their place.

haha ,you have no knowledge except gossips...

you have to prove who applied an ethnic cleansing to them...

even if there were ethnic cleansing ,it wouldnt justify pkk's bloody attacks!

 

[PrometheusBound]

Although I support Israel's supremacy over the Arabs, I don't see how looking up to a country means we have to support it financially. We can't afford to be involved in some world-wide movement to waste lives and treasure on countries just because we approve of their policies. Islam is the enemy; Israel was useful as a decoy, but we must quit running away from total victory. Before it is too late, we and other oil-importing countries, whether they are democracies or not, must form an alliance to seize Muslim oil and confiscate all the enemy's wealth created by hostile price-gouging.

 

[Ikari]

haha ,you have no knowledge except gossips...

you have to prove who applied an ethnic cleansing to them...

even if there were ethnic cleansing ,it wouldnt justify pkk's bloody attacks!

You mean like the long list of actions taken against the Kurds since WW I? The continued attacks against their rights and the multiple condemnations for human rights violations on Turkey's behalf as it relates to their native Kurdish population? And no, it doesn't excuse those attacks; but as you can see if you treat people like **** for long enough, they're likely to not take so kindly to you and respond in kind.

 

[Medusa]

You mean like the long list of actions taken against the Kurds since WW I? The continued attacks against their rights and the multiple condemnations for human rights violations on Turkey's behalf as it relates to their native Kurdish population? And no, it doesn't excuse those attacks; but as you can see if you treat people like **** for long enough, they're likely to not take so kindly to you and respond in kind.

evidence please...