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Why is climate change political?

ocean515 said:
Thanks for sharing.

RationalWiki? That's not a source intelligent people use.

Shall we return to Climate Change?
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Nice excuse. Ball is an opinionated creationist with no credentials in relevant sciences. But you believe whoever you choose to believe; maybe next time you can find a real scientist.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Then you can clearly show a place somewhere on the earth that will clearly have some sort of trouble.

Go for it.

Or continue to pretend you have a point.
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You bang on with exactly the same 'argument' every time this subject is broached, and it remains just as spurious irrespective of how often you repeat it. I'd stick to unblocking drains mate. Argue that the Montreal Protocol was a scam, and that it isn't working. Go for it.

First Direct Proof of Ozone Hole Recovery Due to Chemicals Ban | NASA
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
It has nothing to do with political ideology. Either man is affecting the climate in some detrimental way or he is not. Isn't that for scientists to determine?

What makes a conservative less likely to worry about climate change than a liberal? Is it that conservatives are afraid of change and liberals welcome change? Is it that conservatives don't trust scientists?
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The definition of the problem is scientifically based but the definition of the solution is politically based. On the political front, the problem is that conservatives don't trust liberals because liberals want to use climate change, gun violence, poverty, obesity, income inequality, personal debt and any other problem as reason to increase the power and expense of the federal government.
 
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snakestretcher said:
You bang on with exactly the same 'argument' every time this subject is broached, and it remains just as spurious irrespective of how often you repeat it. I'd stick to unblocking drains mate. Argue that the Montreal Protocol was a scam, and that it isn't working. Go for it.

First Direct Proof of Ozone Hole Recovery Due to Chemicals Ban | NASA
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I make the same point because nobody can show anywhere at all that will have any significant trouble at all.

That you can't get that idea into your head shows how deeply you nned dooooooom in your life. Very sad.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The definition of the problem is scientifically based but the definition of the solution is politically based. On the political front the problem is that conservatives don't trust liberals because liberals want to use climate change, gun violence, poverty, income inequality and any other problem as reason to increase the power and expense of the federal government.
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So explain how 197 countries with a myriad of political differences happened to agree that the crisis with ozone depletion was a clear and present danger, put politics aside and dealt with the problem.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I make the same point because nobody can show anywhere at all that will have any significant trouble at all.

That you can't get that idea into your head shows how deeply you nned dooooooom in your life. Very sad.
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You've been shown clear evidence (from NASA), that addressing climate change (ozone depletion), actually works, and yet you persist in denial? You're the one with the problem, not me.
 
snakestretcher said:
So explain how 197 countries with a myriad of political differences happened to agree that the crisis with ozone depletion was a clear and present danger, put politics aside and dealt with the problem.
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Hmm... China and India have dealt with the problem by promising to increase CO2 emissions for (at least) a generation, perhaps the US should do the same.
 
snakestretcher said:
No, China in particular has committed billions of dollars in addressing her pollution problems.
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China told you that? Did China also tell you that they respect human rights, free access to the internet and religious freedom?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
They told you that? Did they also tell you that they respect human rights and religious freedom?
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China like any nation must address social discontent. And air pollution is a major cause of that in Chinese cities, because no one likes breathing in toxic air, not even the Chinese. Ergo, the Chinese government must address it, as they have. That doesn't make them not authoritarian. But sometimes bad people do good things.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
China told you that? Did China also tell you that they respect human rights, free access to the internet and religious freedom?
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Trump told you miners will be going back to work, that windmills cause cancer and that Mexico's cheque for the wall is imminent.
 
Irredentist said:
China like any nation must address social discontent. And air pollution is a major cause of that in Chinese cities, because no one likes breathing in toxic air, not even the Chinese. Ergo, the Chinese government must address it, as they have. That doesn't make them not authoritarian. But sometimes bad people do good things.
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OK, but the assertion was that China cares about global climate change. Local air pollution in China may be a part of global climate change but is being reduced for purely internal reasons.
 
ocean515 said:
So, you know very little about the history of the Global Warming issue, and think a personal attack will make up for that deficit?

They count on such types to help achieve the control objective.
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So what is the history of the global warming issue? Please provide some links.
 
snakestretcher said:
Trump told you miners will be going back to work, that windmills cause cancer and that Mexico's cheque for the wall is imminent.
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I don't believe Trump either but that does not mean I believe Bernie, Beto, Biden, Harris or Warren.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, but the assertion was that China cares about global climate change. Local air pollution in China may be a part of global climate change but is being reduced for purely internal reasons.
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Does it really matter why they decide to address pollution, so long as they do? It's not like American politicians would address it either, unless their constituents kicked up a fuss about it. Which they have.
 
snakestretcher said:
Really?

BBC - Future - How China's giant solar farms are transforming world energy
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That was last year. As I said, in 2019.... China solar installations to slow as subsidy cuts bite: executive - Reuters ("China’s new installations of solar power are expected to slow considerably this year and over the next five years as the industry comes to terms with a new subsidy-free era, the chief executive of a leading domestic solar manufacturer told Reuters.")
 
ocean515 said:
Ok.

Farewell to the man who invented 'climate change’ - Telegraph

Opening Statement

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2019/02/SR15_Chapter2_Low_Res.pdf
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The first two are opinions On what to do or not do about climate change. The fact that you don’t like some solutions to the problem does not mean the problem does not exist. We are open to hearing your proposed solutions.

I am not quite sure what point you were trying to make with the third link.
 
ataraxia said:
The first two are opinions On what to do or not do about climate change. The fact that you don’t like some solutions to the problem does not mean the problem does not exist. We are open to hearing your proposed solutions.

I am not quite sure what point you were trying to make with the third link.
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You're dismissed.

You really have no interest in learning about this thing you want all humans on earth to be controlled by, do you?

Do you know what Agenda 21 is?

Never mind, I'm not going to waste more time here.

“The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all,” AOC’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, reportedly said to Ricketts.

“Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” he then asked rhetorically, adding, “Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.”​

Climate Change is just a working title for a Progressive Global Social Justice Agenda designed to control every human living on the planet. Fact as detail in Maurice Strong's opening statement.
 
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Drawdown said:
That was last year. As I said, in 2019.... China solar installations to slow as subsidy cuts bite: executive - Reuters ("China’s new installations of solar power are expected to slow considerably this year and over the next five years as the industry comes to terms with a new subsidy-free era, the chief executive of a leading domestic solar manufacturer told Reuters.")
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Ok, they're 'slowing'. They are still miles ahead of the US in attempting to address pollution and energy renewal. America's solution? Re-open coal mines, erase pollution and emission controls to appease Trump's base, and allow rivers to be poisoned and air to be polluted indiscriminately. That's Trump's idea of 'advancement'.
 
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