Why is Africa so poor?

[Mithrae]

And race and IQ have a direct correlation, facts aren't racist guy.

:roll: You have yet to provide a single shred of evidence for that claim, or to address the various studies cited earlier which suggest just the opposite.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Why is Africa so poor?

Because whilst it is the cradle of humanity it is also the cradel of humanity's diseases.

Civilizations arise in Africa lots. They get to a social/political/population leel where the start to make progress and then along comes a disease or three and wipes them out. AIDs is an example of this. It is killing the people of working age. Thus very hard to generate a stable wealth making society.

The Gates foundation's imapct in solving malaria and dengy will be the biggest revolution to hit Africa ever. That and the expansion of industry, mostly Chinese, to use the cheap labour. These factors will achieve the wealth revolution.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

:roll: You have yet to provide a single shred of evidence for that claim, or to address the various studies cited earlier which suggest just the opposite.

The typical liberal response to “facts” they don’t like is to deny, deny, deny and then strangle whomever had the temerity to speak. This is also just stupid. You counter facts with facts. You don’t counter facts with squawky demands to just shut up already!

Harvard PhD student finds a correlation between race and IQ. Harvard students says even if it

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Because whilst it is the cradle of humanity it is also the cradel of humanity's diseases.

Civilizations arise in Africa lots. They get to a social/political/population leel where the start to make progress and then along comes a disease or three and wipes them out. AIDs is an example of this. It is killing the people of working age. Thus very hard to generate a stable wealth making society.

The Gates foundation's imapct in solving malaria and dengy will be the biggest revolution to hit Africa ever. That and the expansion of industry, mostly Chinese, to use the cheap labour. These factors will achieve the wealth revolution.

No, it wont the Chinese will either take everything of value, or settle the landmass and remove them.

 

[Tim the plumber]

I have no interest in your weird racist discussion about IQ.

http://human-stupidity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/race_intelligence_adoption_rushtonsm1.jpg

Race differences in intelligence: how research changed my mind to overcome the "all races are equal" dogma. | Human Stupidity: Irrationality, Self Deception

Disapointingly race has a lot to do with intelligence.

 

[Tim the plumber]

No, it wont the Chinese will either take everything of value, or settle the landmass and remove them.

That's not what is happening. The industrialization of Africa is underway.

 

[Mithrae]

The typical liberal response to “facts” they don’t like is to deny, deny, deny and then strangle whomever had the temerity to speak. This is also just stupid. You counter facts with facts. You don’t counter facts with squawky demands to just shut up already!

You don't understand the concept that we should expect credible evidence before accepting something as fact. And you don't understand the difference between asking for - and pointing out the failure to provide - said evidence, and telling people to shut up.

I'm not surprised.

Harvard PhD student finds a correlation between race and IQ. Harvard students says even if it

That was not a peer-reviewed scientific study.
It was not a PhD thesis in anthropology.
Nor was it a PhD thesis in biology, or psychology, or even sociology.
In fact, it wasn't a thesis in any scientific field at all.
It was a PhD in Public Policy.

But you must know that. Undoubtedly you have already read the thesis; your linking to some fourth-hand opinion piece by an online blogger is merely clever camouflage to lull us into a false sense of security. Despite it not being a scientific article, you are confident that it contains sound scientific data. So please, tell us all about it.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

That's not what is happening. The industrialization of Africa is underway.

China is building bridges, roads, railways, deep water ports, and airports...All hubs of transport that removed the wealth of those nations...Not schools, power stations (that feed the nations they are in) damns, hospitals, ect...I wonder way.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

You don't understand the concept that we should expect credible evidence before accepting something as fact. And you don't understand the difference between asking for - and pointing out the failure to provide - said evidence, and telling people to shut up.

I'm not surprised.



That was not a peer-reviewed scientific study.
It was not a PhD thesis in anthropology.
Nor was it a PhD thesis in biology, or psychology, or even sociology.
In fact, it wasn't a thesis in any scientific field at all.
It was a PhD in Public Policy.

But you must know that. Undoubtedly you have already read the thesis; your linking to some fourth-hand opinion piece by an online blogger is merely clever camouflage to lull us into a false sense of security. Despite it not being a scientific article, you are confident that it contains sound scientific data. So please, tell us all about it.

So what would it take for your to believe race and IQ are linked?

Do you even believe Race, Gender, or IQ exist?

 

[Tim the plumber]

China is building bridges, roads, railways, deep water ports, and airports...All hubs of transport that removed the wealth of those nations...Not schools, power stations (that feed the nations they are in) damns, hospitals, ect...I wonder way.

The hospitals don't work if there are no roads.

You can't have industrialization without ports.

The process of industrialization starts with extractive industries and works through to sweat shops then come the good stuff. It is happening.

 

[Mithrae]

So what would it take for your to believe race and IQ are linked?

A preponderance of credible scientific evidence showing that to be the case. Citing a thesis on public policy - in fact, not even the thesis, but a fourth-hand opinion piece about it by some random online blogger - is not just laughable, it's pathetic.

Managing to dredge up some obscure but genuine scientific study would be infinitely better by comparison, but that would hardly prove the point; not if there's half a dozen other studies showing the opposite.

It's telling that you guys haven't even managed one study yet - but are still pretending that the unpleasant race-based views you are preaching are 'fact.' (It should be noted that the links provided by Tim the Plumber seem to cite only a single source, a 1995 popular-audience book by a psychologist which, rightly or wrongly, received considerable criticism of its methods and results; I can't find any more specific citation for the information in the graph he highlighted.)

Do you even believe Race, Gender, or IQ exist?

Of course they do :roll:

 

[AmericanSpartan]

The hospitals don't work if there are no roads.

You can't have industrialization without ports.

The process of industrialization starts with extractive industries and works through to sweat shops then come the good stuff. It is happening.

So they are not just building means of taking wealth out of Africa?

Because that is what is happening..

 

[caruso's_heir]

My response to mithrae disappeared it seems.

 

[caruso's_heir]

It is not really necessary to debate the reality of racial group differences,, any psychologist will tell you they exist; not all will agree with the proposition that intelligence is highly heritable or that genetic influence is highly responsible for the gap. That position is hard to defend though considering the insurmountable amount of twin studies done on intelligence, with all sorts of confounders accounted for. We don't know what genes cause high IQ but identical twins both have it and express it throughout their lives even if raised apart..

 

[caruso's_heir]

Look, a gap in civilizational achievement obviously exists.

But when you blame colonialism,, you're ascribing 100 percent causal power to environmental differences that have lead to this. How likely is it that past evolutionary history plays no role in the make up of a people's success? Ashekenazim Jews have the highest mean IQ on the planet and look at how successful they are in the world in despite of the horrible transgressions committed against them..

 

[AmericanSpartan]

That's not what is happening. The industrialization of Africa is underway.

Yes, by China...How odd is it not?

Djibouti President: China Negotiating Horn of Africa Military Base

 

[AmericanSpartan]

It is not really necessary to debate the reality of racial group differences,, any psychologist will tell you they exist; not all will agree with the proposition that intelligence is highly heritable or that genetic influence is highly responsible for the gap. That position is hard to defend though considering the insurmountable amount of twin studies done on intelligence, with all sorts of confounders accounted for. We don't know what genes cause high IQ but identical twins both have it and express it throughout their lives even if raised apart..

Look, a gap in civilizational achievement obviously exists.

But when you blame colonialism,, you're ascribing 100 percent causal power to environmental differences that have lead to this. How likely is it that past evolutionary history plays no role in the make up of a people's success? Ashekenazim Jews have the highest mean IQ on the planet and look at how successful they are in the world in despite of the horrible transgressions committed against them..

So much win in these posts.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Well, the Chinese are slightly more intelligent than the Europeans. They will screw the Africans from the front and behind At times I feel sorry for them but after having witnessed a necklacing first hand, I learned to hate stupid. Are we allowed to post barbaric pictures in this forum?

Post them.

 

[JC Callender]

I wonder if the brutal climate is partially to blame. Same with Middle Eastern countries. Most of the people ultimately don't have the will to make a better life for themselves.

 

[Red_Dave]

As for the poor in Africa, we are doing nothing to manipulate them. They have created their own environment with their cultural norms.

Foreign intervention has played a pretty strong role in how things are now. Such as the overthrow of various leaders by the British, French and Americans (Patrice Lumumba in the Congo being a pretty poinant example, ) As for a more recent example

WikiLeaks cables: Shell's grip on Nigerian state revealed | Business | The Guardian

Have a look at the contients oil, gas, and metal reserves (If you have a mobile phone, its almost certain its contains rare earth metals sourced fand from the congo) and you will see that the problem is not a lack of resources, but whom these resources are owned by and who supports them.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

I wonder if the brutal climate is partially to blame. Same with Middle Eastern countries. Most of the people ultimately don't have the will to make a better life for themselves.

Well their choice, and we will not waste money and lives to help them.

 

[Medusa]

what a stupid thread.

 

[Medusa]

Exploitation, corruption, racism, free trade agreements, and tribalism.

But whats up with all these futuristic video game-esqe posts?

no ,africans are just lazy and they want to be fed by taxpayers :2razz:

 

[Libertie76]

The hospitals don't work if there are no roads.

You can't have industrialization without ports.

The process of industrialization starts with extractive industries and works through to sweat shops then come the good stuff. It is happening.

Chinese are building infrastructure with a promise from the nation to Chinese access to the natural resources.... It's colonialization, if the United States was doing it all the left wing anti Americans would say it's horrible how we are robbing the resources of Africa, but since it's china doing it the left wing approves? Give me a break...

The infrastructure they are building is a form of merchantilist colonialization.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Chinese are building infrastructure with a promise from the nation to Chinese access to the natural resources.... It's colonialization, if the United States was doing it all the left wing anti Americans would say it's horrible how we are robbing the resources of Africa, but since it's china doing it the left wing approves? Give me a break...

The infrastructure they are building is a form of merchantilist colonialization.

What would good development look like then?

You seem to hate anything which looks like any development at all. Please explain how the nations of Africa are supposed to advance if at all.