Why I don't "understand" complaints about vaccine mandates

[Fledermaus]

Interestingly enough...Sweden has had lower mortality rates than normal throughout the "pandemic"...

Sweden Has Had *Negative* Excess Mortality Since the Start of 2020 – The Daily Sceptic

New figures from the ONS show that, between January 2020 and June 2021, Sweden had *negative* excess mortality. This constitutes a complete vindication of Anders Tegnell's "trust-based" approach. Well done, professor!

dailysceptic.org

Except when one compares them to their peers.

 

[snakestretcher]

Their infection rate is far lower than elsewhere in Europe...and their death rate is a lot lower than Scotland's ...and up to this point they have not given up basic human rights...though that is changing due to outside pressure no doubt.

A comparison of COVID-19 epidemiological indicators in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland - PubMed

<span><i>Aims:</i> To compare the early impact of COVID-19 infections and mortality from February to July 2020 across the Nordic nations of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland through available public data sources and conduct a descriptive analysis of the potential factors that drove different...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Compared with its Nordic neighbours Sweden had a higher incidence rate across all ages, a higher Covid-related death rate only partially explained by population demographics, a higher death rate in seniors' care, and a higher all-cause mortality".

 

[snakestretcher]

Except when one compares them to their peers.

Indeed...

A comparison of COVID-19 epidemiological indicators in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland - PubMed

<span><i>Aims:</i> To compare the early impact of COVID-19 infections and mortality from February to July 2020 across the Nordic nations of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland through available public data sources and conduct a descriptive analysis of the potential factors that drove different...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Ethel2]

I think that many getting these boosters will regret their decision . The latest variety of Covid looks to be a bit of s ***** cat too...do I'll let the bed wetters get boosted ...I'll stand by , don't want to stop the fearful ones getting their regular dose of spike proteins lol...

Not sure which vaccine you got, but if its the AZ vaccine its pretty useless against omicron. You will need a Pfizer booster to be protected, and omicron is taking over the UK-cases of omicron are doubling every 2 1/2 days.
Maybe consider lining your bed with plastic?

Several months after vaccination, two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine provided virtually no protection against symptomatic infection from Omicron, but a booster dose of the Pfizer vaccine increased protection to 71%.

British Studies Show Vaccines Weaken Against Omicron, But Boosters Help

The ability of two-dose COVID-19 vaccines to protect against symptomatic infection by the Omicron variant falls significantly short, but a booster shot

www.docwirenews.com

 

[Big Eye]

For the reason I mentioned. They didn't waste their breath whining about 'rights' or 'freedom' which helps nobody.

**** me…”whining abuts rights and freedom which helps nobody”… you’ve just owned up to being a fascist. This whole event is a fascist move…and you demonstrate how it has got people on board. Thanks for our candour.

 

[snakestretcher]

**** me…”whining abuts rights and freedom which helps nobody”… you’ve just owned up to being a fascist. This whole event is a fascist move…and you demonstrate how it has got people on board. Thanks for our candour.

Oh good grief; how pathetic. Tell me what rights you imagine are being violated? Let me help you; none.

 

[Big Eye]

"Your humble opinion"? What qualifications do you have that make your opinion any value in a scientific discussion? Honestly, how many full days of your life have you dedicated to studying viruses and vaccines? Just an estimate.

I’ve been reading about this whole situation for a couple of years …initially I was keen on the vaccines, since then leading virologists, statisticians and doctors have pointed out clearly why my trust was misplaced. You clearly buy into the narrative …I can now see that the narrative was false right from the start…do you remember when we were told how great the vaccines were at stopping infection? Do you even wonder why we are being more or less forced into using an outdated vaccine against newer forms of the virus? Do you not realise that the spike proteins in the virus are what causes most of the illness…you know the same spike protein that the vaccines make your bodies produce?

This is clearly a stitch-up…but one of the funny aspects of this otherwise miserable time for me is watching leftists get on board with big multinational business linking up with big government , which is the very definition of fascism …it’s really weird lol.

 

[Big Eye]

And they still died at a rate far greater than their peers..

You do not have a clue …as pointed out multiple times.

 

[Big Eye]

Not sure which vaccine you got, but if its the AZ vaccine its pretty useless against omicron. You will need a Pfizer booster to be protected, and omicron is taking over the UK-cases of omicron are doubling every 2 1/2 days.
Maybe consider lining your bed with plastic?

Several months after vaccination, two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine provided virtually no protection against symptomatic infection from Omicron, but a booster dose of the Pfizer vaccine increased protection to 71%.

British Studies Show Vaccines Weaken Against Omicron, But Boosters Help

The ability of two-dose COVID-19 vaccines to protect against symptomatic infection by the Omicron variant falls significantly short, but a booster shot

www.docwirenews.com

I got Pfizer…I regret it because it is becoming abundantly clear that it does not stop infection and it’s protection from illness is limited and getting weaker…and it also turns out that I am at low risk of severe illness from Covid since I am fit and healthy. Constantly creating those spike proteins in our bodies ( seemingly every few months now) is going to lead to a medical disaster Imo, because it’s the spikes that cause illness …

 

[Big Eye]

Oh good grief; how pathetic. Tell me what rights you imagine are being violated? Let me help you; none.

Any mandate that didn’t exist before this “pandemic” is an infringement on my rights. One small example, we have just cancelled our foreign holiday due to restrictions and increased costs of testing.

 

[Big Eye]

Just out of interest …I wonder how many of you pro-vaxxers realise the vaccines create a much higher number of spike proteins in the body than the actual virus does…and you don’t get the infection every few months. It’s almost like the vaccines are part two , and a more potent part at that, of a biological attack…like the virus was created for the vaccines. Time will tell, so I wouldn’t take the piss just yet.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I’ve been reading about this whole situation for a couple of years …initially I was keen on the vaccines, since then leading virologists, statisticians and doctors have pointed out clearly why my trust was misplaced. You clearly buy into the narrative …I can now see that the narrative was false right from the start…do you remember when we were told how great the vaccines were at stopping infection? Do you even wonder why we are being more or less forced into using an outdated vaccine against newer forms of the virus? Do you not realise that the spike proteins in the virus are what causes most of the illness…you know the same spike protein that the vaccines make your bodies produce?

This is clearly a stitch-up…but one of the funny aspects of this otherwise miserable time for me is watching leftists get on board with big multinational business linking up with big government , which is the very definition of fascism …it’s really weird lol.

So zero, you've spent zero days in your life dedicated to the study of viruses and vaccines. Meanwhile, millions have died from covid, which you care nothing about.

 

[Big Eye]

So zero, you've spent zero days in your life dedicated to the study of viruses and vaccines. Meanwhile, millions have died from covid, which you care nothing about.

I don’t need to study it if other people have…I read their evidence and their predictions…they come true , I therefore infer that they are correct. I’ve read about this stuff til I’m sick of it…but it is abundantly clear that these vaccines are failing to stop the spread …and their ability to stop illness is waning…in the U.K. 2/3 of Covid hospitalisations are in people that are at least double vaxxed.

The virus does kill people , generally old and already Ill people, rarely young people die, but the risk to healthyish people under 50 is minimal. In the U.K. the death rate from Covid ( which is almost certainly over counted) is 1 in 446 over an 18 month period, average age of death 82 , 91% with known Co morbidities. I believe from what I have read that the long term risks of vaccination ( especially if done every few months) to people like me is greater than the virus. As I have said , I really do now believe that the virus was made for the vaccine…this is a two stage attack and I really don’t give a **** if people find that laughable ,because they won’t be laughing later.

 

[Big Eye]

The claim that this “pandemic” is the fault of the unvaxxed is an out and out lie…

COVID-19: stigmatising the unvaccinated is not justified

In the USA and Germany, high-level officials have used the term pandemic of the unvaccinated, suggesting that people who have been vaccinated are not relevant in the epidemiology of COVID-19. Officials’ use of this phrase might have encouraged one scientist to claim that “the unvaccinated...

www.thelancet.com

 

[Fledermaus]

The claim that this “pandemic” is the fault of the unvaxxed is an out and out lie…

Who is filling the hospitals and morgues?

 

[Big Eye]

Who is filling the hospitals and morgues?

Mainly vaxxed in the U.K…

 

[Big Eye]

U.K. Vaccine Taskforce former chief admits vaccines have failed to stop infections…

Vaccine Taskforce Ex-Chief: "The Vaccines Were Not Designed to End Transmission" – The Daily Sceptic

In a key confession that demolishes the strategy behind vaccine passports, the ex-head of the U.K. Vaccine Taskforce writes that "the vaccines will not stop the spread of the virus in the short or medium term".

dailysceptic.org

 

[Ethel2]

U.K. Vaccine Taskforce former chief admits vaccines have failed to stop infections…

Vaccine Taskforce Ex-Chief: "The Vaccines Were Not Designed to End Transmission" – The Daily Sceptic

In a key confession that demolishes the strategy behind vaccine passports, the ex-head of the U.K. Vaccine Taskforce writes that "the vaccines will not stop the spread of the virus in the short or medium term".

dailysceptic.org

Nope. The vaccines were NOT designed to prevent transmission-or even infections. They were designed to reduce serious illness. And at that there is no debate that they have been successful beyond imagination.
Sad that its not good enough for the covidiots to accept.

 

[Ethel2]

I don’t need to study it if other people have…I read their evidence and their predictions…they come true , I therefore infer that they are correct. I’ve read about this stuff til I’m sick of it…but it is abundantly clear that these vaccines are failing to stop the spread …and their ability to stop illness is waning…in the U.K. 2/3 of Covid hospitalisations are in people that are at least double vaxxed.

The virus does kill people , generally old and already Ill people, rarely young people die, but the risk to healthyish people under 50 is minimal. In the U.K. the death rate from Covid ( which is almost certainly over counted) is 1 in 446 over an 18 month period, average age of death 82 , 91% with known Co morbidities. I believe from what I have read that the long term risks of vaccination ( especially if done every few months) to people like me is greater than the virus. As I have said , I really do now believe that the virus was made for the vaccine…this is a two stage attack and I really don’t give a **** if people find that laughable ,because they won’t be laughing later.

Its laughable. You are absolutely right.

 

[Ethel2]

Just out of interest …I wonder how many of you pro-vaxxers realise the vaccines create a much higher number of spike proteins in the body than the actual virus does…and you don’t get the infection every few months. It’s almost like the vaccines are part two , and a more potent part at that, of a biological attack…like the virus was created for the vaccines. Time will tell, so I wouldn’t take the piss just yet.

Got a link from a reliable source to support your contention? Might be true, but I find it hard to believe that vaccines create more spike protein that an overwhelming infection.

 

[Fledermaus]

Mainly vaxxed in the U.K…

Strange how the numbers in US predominantly show the unvaxxed out number vaxxed deaths by approximately 9 to 1.

Hmmmm

And Israel, Singapore, etc. link lower death rates to Vaccine.

 

[Fledermaus]

U.K. Vaccine Taskforce former chief admits vaccines have failed to stop infections…

Vaccine Taskforce Ex-Chief: "The Vaccines Were Not Designed to End Transmission" – The Daily Sceptic

In a key confession that demolishes the strategy behind vaccine passports, the ex-head of the U.K. Vaccine Taskforce writes that "the vaccines will not stop the spread of the virus in the short or medium term".

dailysceptic.org

Delta changed things. That is reality.

Both deaths and infection plummeting after vaccines pre Delta.

 

[snakestretcher]

Any mandate that didn’t exist before this “pandemic” is an infringement on my rights. One small example, we have just cancelled our foreign holiday due to restrictions and increased costs of testing.

What 'rights'. Be specific. And no, you don't have a 'right' to go on holiday-or you can show me the legislation giving you this 'right'.

 

[Big Eye]

Nope. The vaccines were NOT designed to prevent transmission-or even infections. They were designed to reduce serious illness. And at that there is no debate that they have been successful beyond imagination.
Sad that its not good enough for the covidiots to accept.

So you concede vaccine passports are utterly pointless...thanks. Btw ,their ability to radically reduce illness is short lived so you're gonna have to keep pumping those vaccines out....

 

[Big Eye]

Its laughable. You are absolutely right.

I guess we will see when the true scale of adverse reactions is known. With each "booster" it will become more apparent that these vaccines are harmful in the long run. But I'm prepared to wait this coming winter out to fully commit to the idea...I'll hold back on the booster until late spring and then decide whether or not it is worth it....they may have released a more dangerous variant by then after all.