Why I am non-religious

[devildavid]

LOL. Nice try. Sure, atheists can be what they contend is 'moral,' but they have no objective basis for their morality. In addition, man's concept of morality is often different than God's. Man's 'morality' is subjective. It changes like people change their shorts, over time and over cultures. It has little in the way of an enduring legacy.

God is real, he is the source of objective moral values, and in the end moral relativism will disappear down the commode.

Man's morality is all we have. It is imperfect in that it can't protect everyone from being harmed by others. But in this way, it is no different than your idea of an objective morality handed down from god. Men very often ignore all moral codes, despite any claims of where they originate or how objective they are. Only men can enforce moral codes. Imaginary gods can't.

 

[Quag]

You can believe that, but I don't.

You can believe morals are objective all you want but beliefs are subjective, guess what that actually makes your morals?

 

[Quag]

Man's morality is all we have. It is imperfect in that it can't protect everyone from being harmed by others. But in this way, it is no different than your idea of an objective morality handed down from god. Men very often ignore all moral codes, despite any claims of where they originate or how objective they are. Only men can enforce moral codes. Imaginary gods can't.

And as different religions have different morals and even the same religion has different morals depending on who, when and where they are interpreted they ARE subjective.

 

[devildavid]

You can believe that, but I don't.

What is the moral code governing natural occurrences like weather or disease?

 

[soylentgreen]

Reminds me of what we read in Isaiah 14:14 - "I will make myself like the Most High."

Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

 

[Logicman]

Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

Renewing your mind into the will and wisdom of God, not man.

 

[Logicman]

Man's morality is all we have.

Nope, we have God's also.

Imaginary gods can't.

No foundation for the imaginary insinuation.

 

[Logicman]

Breaking: all morality is subjective.

In your dreams.

 

[devildavid]

Nope, we have God's also.



No foundation for the imaginary insinuation.

No foundation for god at all.

 

[soylentgreen]

Renewing your mind into the will and wisdom of God, not man.

And as there is no god then that leaves man to do it.

 

[Quag]

Nope, we have God's also.

No you have your personal interpretation of what you believe is Gods morality

No foundation for the imaginary insinuation.

No evidence to claim it is anything but imaginary

 

[Quag]

And as there is no god then that leaves man to do it.

Even if God(s) exist there is no way we can know what their morality is.

 

[Logicman]

And as there is no god then that leaves man to do it.

There is a God, you should spend some quality time really studying it. I don't think you've really done your due diligence yet. I recommend a book an atheist wrote who converted to Christianity once he did his research: The Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel.

 

[Logicman]

No you have your personal interpretation of what you believe is Gods morality


No evidence to claim it is anything but imaginary

You're another one who hasn't done his due diligence yet.

 

[soylentgreen]

There is a God, you should spend some quality time really studying it. I don't think you've really done your due diligence yet. I recommend a book an atheist wrote who converted to Christianity once he did his research: The Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel.

There is a god in your mind only. Books such as you suggest tell us nothing different.

 

[Quag]

You're another one who hasn't done his due diligence yet.

Says the guy who tried and failed spectaularily to prove God and refuses to even touch the subject that different religions/denominations at different times in different places interpreted God`s morals differently.

 

[Logicman]

There is a god in your mind only. Books such as you suggest tell us nothing different.

What would you know about that book?

You haven't done your due diligence. You'd be much more informed in your arguments if you had an informed background and understanding of the subject. Think about that.

 

[Quag]

What would you know about that book?

You haven't done your due diligence. You'd be much more informed in your arguments if you had an informed background and understanding of the subject. Think about that.

You havent done yours

 

[Port & Starboard]

I don't believe in agency since we have no ability to choose our personality and hence we have no ability to choose our values. As such, I don't believe there is such a thing as good and evil, because the idea of good and evil is based on the idea of having agency to choose, meaning choose our values.

Good for you.


Next!

 

[Tanngrisnir]

There is a God, you should spend some quality time really studying it. I don't think you've really done your due diligence yet. I recommend a book an atheist wrote who converted to Christianity once he did his research: The Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel.

LOL! That book is simply laughable and based on completely suprious 'reasoning'.

That you don't know that is most telling.

 

[soylentgreen]

What would you know about that book?

You haven't done your due diligence. You'd be much more informed in your arguments if you had an informed background and understanding of the subject. Think about that.

I am not going to bother to read it but it's not that much trouble to find a quick synopsis of it. And see that it is not that much different from many others like it. It offers nothing in the way of proof of existence nor does it have even a good reason for the existence of a god. What it talks about is the need for a god. His need for a god. Which tells me nothing of any interest and does nothing to change my statement that there is no god. Just a need for one by some.

 

[winston53660]

There is a God, you should spend some quality time really studying it. I don't think you've really done your due diligence yet. I recommend a book an atheist wrote who converted to Christianity once he did his research: The Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel.

I tried to sell my soul to Satan to save you, humanity from things like pestilence, famine and what ever else your God created. The Satan your God created never showed up. My offer with Satan is still on the table though.

 

[Logicman]

I am not going to bother to read it but it's not that much trouble to find a quick synopsis of it. And see that it is not that much different from many others like it. It offers nothing in the way of proof of existence nor does it have even a good reason for the existence of a god. What it talks about is the need for a god. His need for a god. Which tells me nothing of any interest and does nothing to change my statement that there is no god. Just a need for one by some.

You should read it. The guy was a dedicated Christ-denier like you when he started his investigation of the evidence.

 

[RAMOSS]

You should read it. The guy was a dedicated Christ-denier like you when he started his investigation of the evidence.

Well, that claim does help sell more books.

 

[soylentgreen]

You should read it. The guy was a dedicated Christ-denier like you when he started his investigation of the evidence.

What evidence? What you really mean is he started to look at what others were saying and found a need himself for a god. You are assuming a lot to think i have not done my due diligence on this subject.