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Why I am atheist....

I'm quite sure I can value something without suffering for it, thanks.
Most people do not value the things that cost them nothing. They take them for granted.
Or maybe the most common elements of the universe simply chemically combined to form life, no purpose or intent required. Life simply evolved from there. It either adapted to survive or it went extinct. It's that simple.
But what gives biological life the instinct to adapt and survive?
You're promoting a universe that has no meaning, which makes no sense.
 
I see, you just came here to be silly rather than to engage in serious discussion. So be it. We will respond accordingly.
Me, silly? I would never!
 
But what gives biological life the instinct to adapt and survive?
That's a softball question that any freshman biology student can answer.

The models that don't try to stay alive do not succeed and persist.

Your question is like asking why objects always seem to fall down instead of up.
 
No they don't. They just need two humans to have sex and one of them to carry the embryo to term. That's all that is needed for a human individual to exist.
Sure people need a reason to live or they'd simply give up. Even if it's only to avoid the suffering and fear of dying.
 
Sure people need a reason to live or they'd simply give up.
And? Giving up isn't suicide. Suicide is suicide. Many people stay alive just to stay alive. All people would, if not for our introspective self awareness.

And evolution doesn't care about that. Evolution only "hopes " that you make a baby before giving up.
 
That's a softball question that any freshman biology student can answer.

The models that don't try to stay alive do not succeed and persist.

Your question is like asking why objects always seem to fall down instead of up.
You didn't answer it very well. ;)
 
You didn't answer it very well. ;)
I gave the correct answer, and it was one single sentence.

"The models that don't try to stay alive do not succeed and persist."

Instead of shitposting and running, tell me what the answer lacks.
 
And? Giving up isn't suicide. Suicide is suicide. Many people stay alive just to stay alive. All people would, if not for our introspective self awareness.

And evolution doesn't care about that. Evolution only "hopes " that you make a baby before giving up.
Then living is their purpose.
 
I gave the correct answer, and it was one single sentence.

"The models that don't try to stay alive do not succeed and persist."

Instead of shitposting and running, tell me what the answer lacks.
But why do some models try to not stay alive?
 
But why do some models try to not stay alive?
A very poorly worded question.

There is no "why", for one. Only "how". And you mean to ask why some models do not try to stay alive.

So then... how did some models fail to persist and to reproduce consistently? Because they were poor models with, for example, weak cell walls, or deficient metabolism. Or their environment changed, making the models suddenly ill suited to survive and to reproduce. There is no "why" or purpose or design.
 
You're catching on. 😌
Then let's be clear:

The "purpose" of you living is to be a big bag of water that carries your DNA across distaces in order to find other DNA with which it can recombine.

That's the only purpose you have been assigned. If you wish to invent and assign further purpose based on your introspective self awareness, that's up to you. But those are inventions of your mind.
 
A very poorly worded question.

There is no "why", for one. Only "how". And you mean to ask why some models do not try to stay alive.

So the... why did some models fail to persistt and reproduce consistently? Because they were poor models with, for example, weak cell walls, or deficient metabolism. There is no "why" or purpose.
Just copying your syntax. You said 'the models that don't try to stay alive,' as if there were a purpose.

If there is no "why", then there is no reason. And everything has a reason whether you can identify it or not.
 
Then let's be clear:

The "purpose" of you living is to be a big bag of water that carries your DNA across distaces in order to find other DNA with which it can recombine.

That's the only purpose you have been assigned. If you wish to invent and assign further purpose based on your introspective self awareness, that's up to you. But those are inventions of your mind.
Then what's the purpose of life?
 
Most people do not value the things that cost them nothing. They take them for granted.
I suppose I'm not most people then.
But what gives biological life the instinct to adapt and survive?
Evolution.
You're promoting a universe that has no meaning, which makes no sense.
No, I'm saying there doesn't necessarily need to be a meaning for the universe. Why would there be? Perhaps you're transferring your need for a purpose onto the universe?
But why do some models try to not stay alive?
It's not whether they try or not. It's about whether they can or not.
Sure people need a reason to live or they'd simply give up. Even if it's only to avoid the suffering and fear of dying.
Sounds like a psychological issue.
 
If there is no "why", then there is no reason.
Feel free to think whatever you like. Is gravity a reason that things fall down instead of up? Yes? Then that's a reason. Right?

The reason you exist is because two people had sex and one of them carried your embryo to term. And, since then, you have managed to stay alive. Sorry there isn't any fanciful whimsy there.
 
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Then what's the purpose of life?
A.silly question. What is the 'purpose' of massive objects taking spheroidal shape in outer space? See how silly that sounds?

What is the 'purpose' of the tetrahedral shape of the C4 molecule? What is the 'purpose' of a black hole's event horizon?

These are silly questions.
 
A.silly question. What is the 'purpose' of massive objects taking spheroidal shape in outer space? See how silly that sounds?

What is the 'purpose' of the tetrahedral shape of the C4 molecule? What is the 'purpose' of a black hole's event horizon?

These are silly questions.
Silly answer...just because we don't know the purpose, that does not mean there isn't one...
 
Silly answer...just because we don't know the purpose, that does not mean there isn't one...
That wasn't my argument for why there isn't one. But thanks as always for dropping by to wrestle with yet another pathetic strawman of your own design.
 
I believe God's purpose for creating the universe was to make people eventually join him in heaven. Makes sense.
That's nice. But since any claim to know the mind of God, assuming a God exists, is an arbitrary claim.

The idea of him making us so "eventually" we can join him in heaven assumes that God experiences time in the way we do and that he is in some way limited by temporal concepts. Couldn't god just have created us in heaven to begin with?
What do you believe the purpose of the universe is? To be a big blob of energy with no end game?
I don't know if it has a purpose, and if it does have a purpose, I don't know what it is.

It's o.k. not to know. Most things in the universe are unknown to me. What is the purpose of 500 billion or more galaxies of hundreds of billions of starts each, with trillions of planets, most of which uninhabited? I don't know.

To suggest that we are the purpose of the universe is rather conceited, I should say. It's like a puddle declaring that the purpose of a hole in the ground was specifically for it. It's sorta backwards - a puddle forms because of physics and a puddle has no "purpose" - it has uses or functions depending on who is there. Like, for a dog, it might be a well-needed drink, or for a human, a way to wash a face. But was that it's "purpose?" Animals are like that. Single celled self-replicating life forms evolved from self-replicating molecules. What was and is their "purpose?" What was the "purpose" of creating viruses, or wasps that lay eggs in caterpillars?
 
Silly answer...just because we don't know the purpose, that does not mean there isn't one...
That is correct.

However, just because we exist does not mean we have a "purpose," either.

And, existing without knowing one's purpose is the same as not having a purpose.
 
It is written.

We can't say for certain if it's just figure of speech, or the actual literal description of hell.
But we are certain that an unpleasant eternal punishment awaits those that are not saved - those who rejected God.
We don't know that at all. And no religion has as it's criteria for entering heaven the mere belief that one does not "reject God."

Christianity, for example, requires acceptance of Jesus Christ and a belief in a generic God is not sufficient, and most denominations require more than just belief and acceptance, but also repentance and atonement, etc. Other religions suggest that accepting Jesus is a grave sin.

So, we don't really know. All we can do is act according to our best guess or internal feelings.s
Thus, we are warned repeatedly against false religion!

How do we know the Truth?
The TRUTH will never have conflict with, or contradict anything in the Bible.



What most CHRISTIAN denominations believe, and what most mainstream reputable bibles say:

Jesus Christ was borne of a virgin.
Jesus Christ is God incarnate.
God the Father, God the Son, God the Spirit, are all One and the Same
He suffered and died physically, as an atonement for our sins - the ultimate sacrificial lamb.
He resurrected bodily from the dead.
He will come again at the final judgment.
He is THE ONLY MEDIATOR. The ONLY WAY to SALVATION.
We are saved by the grace of God (ONLY through our faith).

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We have to ask ourselves: why do we seek religion? What is our purpose?
If the purpose is to have salvation and eternal life with God - then, we owe it to ourselves to seek the truth, and find out what is required from us.
The truth must often contradict the Bible, since the Bible at times contradicts itself. Which is ok. It's still a great book.
 
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